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post #151 of 2280
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here is an update from Chris Nolan himself

http://actionadventure.about.com/od/...nolanDVD_3.htm

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Will you be doing Batman Continues?

Well, it certainly won’t be called that. That’s the title most commonly thrown at me. Actually, I have been talking to the studio and to David Goyer about directions for a sequel because we’re certainly very excited still about the world we were able to dive into and the characters we were able to put on screen. It’s a pretty interesting bunch of people and an interesting place, so we’re definitely talking about places we would take it.
post #152 of 2280
If Goyer doesn't get Loeb and Sale on board and propose a loose adaptation of Long Halloween, they're slipping. That book is CUSTOM MADE to pick up where Batman Begins leaves off.
post #153 of 2280
I read the other day that we may see Cobblepot in the sequel as well.
post #154 of 2280
"Batman: Psycho"

Batman (Christian Bale) has to fight Patrick Bateman (Christian Bale), now escaped of the Arkham Asylum.

Humm.... ok......

I like:

Batman: Crusade

Even if it's not the legit title.
post #155 of 2280
The new title for the film has been announced:

Debbie Does Batman

Goodnight folks.
post #156 of 2280
2 Batman 2 Begins
post #157 of 2280
Batman-on-film has some interesting tidbits on the sequel in their news section over the last two weeks.

Check it out. They are getting ambitious with it. Essentially, Nolan and Goyer are doing a mob war type of storyline with a wild card in the middle. We all know who he is!

Here are some of the highlights:

""Linus Roache is most certainly back seeing as how there may be some flashbacks showing Thomas Waynes' ties to 'Ambiguous Mob Boss,' and a scene showing the relationship The Waynes' had with the late parents of 'The heir.'"

- "The Joker will be the central villain, although he isn't directly connected to the other 'villain plots.'"

- "The other major villain, 'The heir,' will be more a villain to Wayne himself than Batman - causing a rather interesting sitiuation where Bruce will find all his identities under assult."

- Loeb and Flass will return. The latter is no longer a member of the GPD.

- "Let me clarify what I said about The Joker's apperence. As far as his physical apperence goes, it seems pretty faitful to the comics - although it's never really explained why he will look the way he does. So no make up or permanent smiles on his face. As far as his costume, by 'exact translation' I mean the kind of translation that has been seen in 'The Animated Series or Burton's 'Batman.'
I never said anything saying that we might not see The Joker in purple at some point."


Sarah Essen - a former GPD cop with "ties" to Gordon - now work for the ATF.

"As for the villains plot, the mob boss and the heir get involved with a major arms deal with the 'British Guy,' while Batman and his allies attempt to foil it. [As a result,] they uncover more of the corruption plauging Gotham. Unfortunatly for both sides, nobody knew there was a Joker in the deck who complicates matters."

On the forums; this was posted about the hints:

"Well, Jett posted the names Salvatore Maroni, Roman Sionis, and Oswald "The Penguin" Cobblepot on the news page, which coincides with the back stories of the additional villains we've all heard.

Maroni will be the ambiguous mob boss with the mysterious ties to the late Dr. Thomas Wayne. That connection will exist because Wayne will have saved Maroni's life after he was shot in his younger mob days. Fans of the comics will remember that Wayne actually saved Falcone's life and thus they would be forever linked. Of course, with Falcone off in Arkham having nightmares about a certain jungian archetype, this back story was too good to pass up and thus the film adaptation will give this part of Falcone's history to Maroni. Having Maroni in the story also makes it possible that he could be the one to toss the acid in Dent's face, which would be true to the comics unlike the rumor of the Joker doing the deed.

Roman Sionis is the industrial heir. For those of you not familiar with the comics, Sionis' parents were the owners of a multi-billion dollar cosmetic company. When they died, Sionis carved a mask out of his father's coffin and turned to a life of crime (a dark mirror of Bruce Wayne). The mask was then burned onto his flesh in a fire and he was permanently known as the Black Mask (forced to wear a new face). Sionis even had an animalistic omen like Bruce did with bats. This is story is ridiculous, but it was part of his original origin story when he first appeared in the 80s. One night, when Roman was a wee lad, a raccoon which may or may not have been rabid came in through his window and scared the crap out of the boy. The raccoon was wearing the "black mask" that all raccoons have. Like I said, it's ridiculous and will certainly not make it into the film, but it is an amusing little piece of Batman history to say the least.

The British arms dealer will be the waddling one. A cameo seems a little more appropriate for the Penguin at this time since crowding would occur if to rogues as classic as the Joker and Penguin were given equal attention. Having the Penguin be of foreign soil would make his escape and return in future sequels a little easier and more realistic. It might not be a bad idea to have Penguin front himself as a British ambassador, giving him diplomatic immunity for his crimes while he secretly distributes weapons. Once the Batman proves the Penguin's arms dealing, the British govt. strips Cobblepot of his immunity, but Pengy escapes and vows revenge on Batman...Or they could just have him be a straight up arms dealer, which may work better in the interest of time."

Now, all of this is just speculation but according to Jett, owner of the site, it seems that this could all come to pass from sources he's in contact with.

Darkhorizons.com also reported on the 12th of October that Katie Holmes as Rachel Dawes will return in a smaller role. Also, Paul Bettany seems to be the lead for the Joker.
post #158 of 2280
well, it's CLOSE to The Long Halloween. they're certainly mining the hell out of it, if that's true. Cant say I'm displeased, as it appears they're pretty much stripping down Long Halloween and twisting it up a little.

If this is the case, I think I'm gonna be REAL happy real soon
post #159 of 2280
I was reading some quotes from "Batman Begins" recently, and was reminded that Jim Gordon and Batman talk about "escalation" in the last scene. This makes me like the idea of naming the sequel "Batman: Escalation" even more, because it would nicely connect that sequel to end of its predecessor, although (as it has been suggested before) the name may not appeal to the general public and definitely isn't as catchy as "Begins".
post #160 of 2280
Robert,

I just ordered The Long Halloween after reading part of it in the Comic Booklet that comes with the Begins Deluxe DVD. I do have one question though: does Two-Face appear at the end of the Long Halloween? If not, when does he appear? Is it in a graphic novel?

Either way, I like the idea that they're going with. Very ambitious.
post #161 of 2280
Yes, "The Long Halloween" is essentially the origin of Two Face. It gets more elaborate than that, and most of the rogues gallery ends up making an appearance through the length of the novel, but at it's core, it's Harvey and Batman vs the Crime Syndicate, with Joker popping up and making life miserable for both sides. That's essentially the chewy nougat center of "The Long Halloween" and it'd be perfect if that's what they stuck to. Which is what it looks like they're doing.
post #162 of 2280
For those who enjoy "The Long Halloween", I definitely recommend picking up its sequel, "Dark Victory".
post #163 of 2280
Thanks, Robert.

Yeah, I'm hoping it is at least resembles that. I was reading reviews on it and it looks like a great read.

Maybe with Nolan and Goyer at the head, WB can get this franchise right. They're off to a hell of a start with Begins.
post #164 of 2280
After watching Batman Begins last night on DVD (which was my third viewing overall) it is really elevated in my mind. I would now rank it as the second best comic book movie of all time, with Superman still holding onto #1 (barely).

However, if they keep the same crew for the sequel, it really could be the best comic book movie of all time.
post #165 of 2280
Chris,

I'm more partial to Begins only because I'm not that big of a Superman fan as I am with Batman. The character of Batman just appealed to me more than Supes.

Having said that, Superman The Movie is the first and it got it right from the very beginning. Both films are very similar in their approach to the origin of the characters.

But, the Begins sequel could be the monster comic book that destroy all others.

And to think, a couple of years back, we were all stating that X2 could possibly be the best. I still love X2 to death but I have four films in this genre ahead of it.
post #166 of 2280
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And to think, a couple of years back, we were all stating that X2 could possibly be the best. I still love X2 to death but I have four films in this genre ahead of it.


I saw your list over in the Begins DVD thread. It's identical to mine!
post #167 of 2280
Seriously? That's sweet!
post #168 of 2280
Cory also brought up something there I'd like to reiterate and expand upon.

There is no need to change: the costume, the car, the cave, the gadgets, the city, the supporting cast, the sets (add some new ones, of course)

If it ain't broken, don't fix it. We don't *need* a love interest or three villains (unless it enhances the STORY). We just need a good story that focuses on characters, themes, relationships, etc. Watching the extras was like seeing a very rare alchemy at play. Don't dick with it. Let the writer and director and team play around and find what inspires them again.

No new car,
Chuck
post #169 of 2280
From reports I've read about Nolan coming in to talk to WB, Nolan TOLD WB what the sequels will be like...the stories themselves.

I like the fact that Nolan is dictating the story no the marketing department at WB.
post #170 of 2280
Here's an opinion piece from batman-on-film.com. The writer is responding to the sequel reports. It's an interesting read but still an opinion and speculation. But, it gives you an idea of what could happen if the reports that have surfaced are true.

Musings on BATMAN CONINUES
Friday, October 14, 2005, 12:00 PM CENTRAL TIME
Author: Kris Tapley

© Copyright 2005 Kris Tapley and "BATMAN ON FILM," All Rights Reserved.

All news is good news when it comes to the sequel to “Batman Begins,” but I simply have to comment on the recent swell of progress.

First and foremost, it’s becoming fairly obvious that the filmmakers are utilizing the mob, the Joker and the Penguin as part of a large, plot-heavy element to this latest endeavor – which I love. Why do I love it? Because it’s the same route I would take the material. In fact, it’s the same route I have taken the material in my own ponderings and treatment preparations out here in Los Angeles, dreaming the big dream of someday getting my foot in the door of Warner Bros.’ story department for Nolan’s Batman series.

As the train seems to be chugging forward full steam, allow me to throw out some of my own, personal ideas of what ought to be done with this material.

First and foremost, I like the idea of making Oswald Cobblepot an arms dealer on some level – of course, that is if we’re going on the assumption that “The Penguin” is this mysterious figure of the Dark Knight’s rouges gallery we’ve been made privy to in recent updates here at Batman-On-Film. However, on the other hand I think that the Penguin’s greatest role in the Batman mythos is within the realm of the mob.

Portraying Cobblepot as an arms dealer does keep him an underground element, which is imperative. Frankly, he never was interesting enough to be a true major villain in the Batman canon if you ask me, and the only reason for his mass appeal as a rogue came as a direct result of Burgess Meredith’s performance in the television show from the 1960s. But in so much as it relates to the overall world of Gotham and Batman, the Penguin functions much better on the level of a street-wise mob threat. His characterization in Brian Azzarello’s “Broken City,” for instance, is, to my mind, one of the most succinct portrayals of the villain we’ve seen in the books.

I assume the plan is to integrate Cobblepot’s role into the mob on some level, but my suggestion would be to give the Penguin ulterior motives throughout. Position him early on as something of a non-issue in the fraternity of organized crime – a numbers cruncher for Sal Maroni or Rupert Thorne, a money man, or a “smart man” character within an organization of thugs and killers. Play up his feebleness. And in one fell swoop, offer up an intense scene in the final act that stands as Cobblepot’s clenching of the throne of organized crime, eliminating a bevy of thugs with his own band of henchman in a shootout sequence that could recall Flat Top’s raid at the beginning of “Dick Tracy.” It would perfectly position the Penguin as central mafia villain of the third film, I think, and would be thematically resilient as a comment to the final act of “Batman Begins.”

You see, at the beginning of the sequel, we have a vast mafia empire that is essentially up for grabs in the wake of Carmine Falcone’s removal. The stage is set for the entrance of a Sal Maroni or a Rupert Thorne – which could lend itself quite thoroughly to Harvey Dent’s story thread – but it also sets the stage for an interior upheaval of sorts. The Penguin and his manipulative ways is perfect fodder for such a scenario.

All of this brings me to Roman Sionis.

If this is indeed where the studio is going, I have to say I think it is quite brilliant to bring Sionis in as a villain in this film, given the thematic comments the appearance of such an individual will make concerning the character of Bruce Wayne. Here again, Sionis is an element I have also considered in my ponderings and treatment sketches.

Bringing about Sionis’ transformation to Black Mask is a potential lead into the mob world of this sequel, and there is an unlimited amount of potential where that is concerned. Though, with that in mind, if the plan would indeed be to tie Sionis to organized crime, it might be a mistake to make his as large a part of the formula as Cobblepot’s. I wouldn’t say the solution is to use one or the other, but staggering the level of involvement of these two will be of the utmost importance, I feel.

Now, let’s talk about the villain we KNOW is going to be in the film – the Joker. If you ask me, this is THE opportunity to do with the Joker what no other incarnation of Batman on film has done, and that is to utilize the character as a dark reflection of Batman – take the stand and announce him as this caped crusader’s true arch nemesis.

If it were up to me, I’d paint the Joker as a nuisance not only to the public and to the police force, but to the world of organized crime as well. Here is this loose canon doing God knows what night after night, upsetting the balance of business and “organization” within the criminal infrastructure of Gotham – an infrastructure that is already picking up the pieces post-Falcone. To boot, I would place the Batman in a position of being considered a nuisance by the Gotham City Police Department. I would, in fact, make this a central issue. It would shed a lot more light on his relationship with James Gordon, as well as his subsequent relationship with Harvey Dent, but more importantly, if taken the route of my suggestion, it would place the hero in a similar boat to the Joker’s.

Here you would have a major villain who is the bane of both the law’s and the criminal element’s existence, and then you have a superhero that is towing the exact same line. It makes it seem as though they NEED each other in order to make sense of their existence in this mythos. It’s PERFECT!

Maybe the mob wants to take out the Joker? Perhaps they put up a large sum of money to be collected by the individual that puts the Joker out of their misery? Perhaps someone named David Cain takes this bounty, an element of the story that could tie into Wayne’s past training prior to his meeting Ra’s al Ghul? And perhaps the Batman prevents Cain from assassinating the Joker, proclaiming quite loudly his stance against killing, rather than tip-toeing around it with a line such as “I don’t have to save you” as seen in the first film. I’m just thinking out loud here, but seriously, steal these thoughts, Warner Bros.! Or hire me!

Much of this article obviously runs off the rumor mill as of late, but I think there’s a rather obvious line of development happening here that can logically be followed. I have my own passions surfacing here, but I am as nervous as the next guy that this series continue to get it “right.” And the building blocks are right under our noses. A vast structure of storytelling greatness is waiting to be told from the wealth of material printed in the last 60 years.

Ultimately, I truly feel that the most important element that needs to be woven into the thematic fabric of this next installment is lifting the character of the Joker from individual to fully functioning symbol. He can’t be mere eye-candy. He can’t be mere entertainment or terror (if taken in such a direction). He can’t merely be the antagonist of the film. He must, must, MUST be utilized as a device to further elaborate the characterization of Batman/Bruce Wayne. That is his purpose, and that is, in many ways, the character’s destiny. He is the German Expressionistic reflection of Bruce Wayne’s inner deterioration. It’s high drama of the most elaborate and resilient regard.

Warner Bros., you’re in a sticky situation. To my mind you, Mr. Nolan and Mr. Goyer have hit it out of the park with “Batman Begins.” Now you’ve got your work cut out for you because you’ve placed the bar quite high. This is not news to you. But there should be no hesitation in climbing past that bar at this stage, because you’ve proven in one film, finally, that Batman reaches past mere superhero/comic book genre entertainment and into the realm of character study.

Please, oh please continue that stream.
post #171 of 2280
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© Copyright 2005 Kris Tapley and "BATMAN ON FILM," All Rights Reserved.

This kinda shit always cracks me up on spoiler sites. 1) you don't really have to copyright it according to american copyright law 2)Copyrighting the writings based on information that is getting out via copyright violation is denotes ENORMOUS effing balls on the writer's part. 3)All Rights Reserved is funny, as if he's going to be licensing his spoiler speculations out. And then he actually ASKS Warners to hire him in the middle of the thing. LOL
post #172 of 2280
Yeah, I picked up on that as well. But besides that, I think his speculation is pretty interesting for a sequel storyline. I like it.
post #173 of 2280
Very good plot for the next film. I hope Nolan sticks around and doesnt jump ship like Singer did.

As for how good Begins is compared to other comic movies?

My Top 5:

Superman: The Movie
Batman Begins
Spiderman 2
X-Men 2
Batman Forever (hey, I like it)
post #174 of 2280
Well, it wouldn't surprise me if Nolan has signed on for two and they shot them back to back and have them released in the same year.
post #175 of 2280
Sweet, more lists....

My live-action superhero film rankings as of today:

1. Batman Begins
2. Spider-Man 2
3. Spider-Man
4. Superman: The Movie
5. Hulk
6. X2
post #176 of 2280
1. Batman Begins (2005)
2. X2 (2003)
3. Batman (1989)
4. Spider-Man 2 (2004)
5. X-Men (2000)

I like my superheroes dark.
post #177 of 2280
Repost from the Begins DVD thread:

Superman The Movie/Batman Begins
The Incredibles
Hulk
X2

Honorable Mention: Unbreakable and Blade
post #178 of 2280
My top comic hero movies:
1)BATMAN BEGINS
2)SUPERMAN THE MOVIE
3)SPIDER-MAN II
4)SUPERMAN II
5)BATMAN RETURNS
post #179 of 2280
Superman: The Movie
Batman Begins
Spider-man
The Incredibles
X2
Spider-man 2

Jason
post #180 of 2280
Hmmm... would the Incredibles qualify in the list as they are a Disney original, heavily influenced by the Fantastic Four.
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