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post #61 of 242
8/22/05 at 6:29pm
It's possible it has both 1:33:1 and 1:85:1 on the same disc.
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post #62 of 242
8/22/05 at 6:53pm
I was this close to selling my old Muppet Movie disc yesterday, but didn't because it occoured to me that the outdoor camera test with Fozzie and Kermit might not be on it. Looks like I lucked out, that camera test is the least of what's missing...

I really hope this news changes.
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post #63 of 242
8/22/05 at 7:01pm
MY GOD. I really hope this is not the case. Fortunately, I still have my Muppet Movie, but I couldn't wait to buy the Muppet Christmas Carol, finally! BUT not if it's full screen! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

How about a Home Theater Forum campaign?
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post #64 of 242
8/22/05 at 7:17pm
Adam_WM wrote:

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BUT not if it's full frame!


Full frame would be great and hopefully it would be anamorphic widescreen.

Full Screen in the 4:3 ratio (Pan & Scan), is what I won't buy.

Paul
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post #65 of 242
8/22/05 at 7:18pm
Corrected.
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post #66 of 242
8/22/05 at 7:49pm
This really makes no sense. There are already full screen versions of "Muppet Treasure Island" and "Muppet Christmas Carol" in stores. Why release them again?

I'd think the whole point of these re-releases would be to catch the collectors who refused to buy them previously by releasing an OAR version.

Those who've already purchased the full screen versions aren't likely to double dip. Those who refused to purchase the full screen versions the first time will not buy them this time, either.

What's the point, Disney?
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post #67 of 242
8/22/05 at 9:31pm
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This makes me sick. First they cut 5 Muppet Shows, then this atrocity. Ol' Jim must be turning around in his grave.

Call: 1-800-723-4763

And tell them you won't buy mutilated Muppet movies!
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post #68 of 242
8/22/05 at 9:40pm
Very few movies involving puppets can be shown "open matte"...if you thought that the security chain in PeeWee when he's locking up his bike was a give-away...adults holding their arms up with muppets on the end of them looks even worse...

Treasure Island was true P/S 4x3. I'm pretty sure that the other Muppet movies were hard-matte, or somewhere in between (with a 4x3 version at least partially cropping the sides).
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post #69 of 242
8/22/05 at 10:00pm
Muppet Central campaign:

http://www.muppetcentral.com/news/2005/082205.shtml
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post #70 of 242
8/23/05 at 5:18am
While the aspect ratio issue is the most important thing here, I'd also like to point out that the "extras" that DVD Times gives for this release are really pathetic. The only extra for The Muppet Movie and Muppet Caper is something called "Pepe Profiles Present". Not even a lousy trailer. Some "special edition"!

I really thought Disney was going to put some effort into their Muppet properties when I saw how nice the Muppet Show DVD set looked. Sad to be so mistaken.
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post #71 of 242
8/23/05 at 5:37am
Grrrrrr.....guess it looks like I'll be waiting a little while longer to complete my Muppets Collection (didn't buy Christmas Carol or Treasure Island because they were MAR...won't buy them now!)

I've emailed Disney....again
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post #72 of 242
8/23/05 at 6:24am

Perhaps a forum administrator could change the title of this thread to alert all other HTFers to this situation?
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post #73 of 242
8/23/05 at 6:48am
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I'd think the whole point of these re-releases would be to catch the collectors who refused to buy them previously by releasing an OAR version.


That's what boggles my mind as well. I assume that is it's "The Children" mentality that dictates the Pan and Scan decision, but the thing is, it's not like the children are being bombarded with Muppet productions in heavy rotation on children based networs. So it does seem like the people who will buy this will be older people who have fondness for these films from their past. The real sad thing will be if the remasted A/V turns out to be great.

I don't know about anyone else, but it often seems depressing to be a DVD enthusiast these days. With annoucements like this, widescreen transfers being dropped off of many DVDs, more and more edited syndication versions of shows on DVD etc. I know there's still a lot to be excited about, but when it's bad news it really does let me down a lot.

One more things. It seems amazing to me that after all this time, people still sell off an older version of a disc planning to upgrade before they know the specs of the newer edition. Is it to make a few bucks on ebay in the time between when the older version goes OOP and the annoucement of a new edition?
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post #74 of 242
8/23/05 at 6:52am
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Treasure Island was true P/S 4x3. I'm pretty sure that the other Muppet movies were hard-matte, or somewhere in between (with a 4x3 version at least partially cropping the sides).


David, they're ALL hard matte. CHRISTMAS CAROL is as badly panned-and-scanned as you'll ever see a 1.85 film!
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post #75 of 242
8/23/05 at 6:55am
Folks...remain calm for the moment (though I still wouldn't discourage anyone from POLITELY letting Disney know how much they want WS). My Disney rep is getting back to me with the information he's able to uncover and it may be that the released specs don't tell the whole story...I'll keep you posted...
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post #76 of 242
8/23/05 at 7:36am
I heard from a friend at Disney that these four releases will have both full frame and 16x9 widescreen on the same disc.

Dan
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post #77 of 242
8/23/05 at 7:46am
The SONY releases had both widescreen and P&S. Why is Disney afraid to even include a choice?

If the aspect ratio is 4:3 and the extras are that anemic, why would anyone spend $20 on these releases when they can still find the SONY dvds for $8? C'mon Disney, you have to give SOME benefit.
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post #78 of 242
8/23/05 at 10:39am
My Rep just got back to me with what he's been able to find out.

His info comports with Dan's...

The 4 Muppet DVDs will contain dual-aspect ratio presentations of all 4 movies...both WS 16x9 and P/S presentations will be on each disc.

Great news And since these are true "Pan and scan" examples...it will be a good "see what you're missing" demo for folks who need to get educated about widescreen...and they'll have both versions on the same DVD.

I'm thrilled. Let's see what comes in the official press...my rep said that he alerted the PR folks and that an updated press release should follow soon...

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post #79 of 242
8/23/05 at 10:42am


Happy news indeed.
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post #80 of 242
8/23/05 at 10:45am


Only down-side is that I'll have to spend some money now!
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post #81 of 242
8/23/05 at 10:48am
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Only down-side is that I'll have to spend some money now!


Just my thought. Besides the Sony Muppet Movie and GMC, I have the UK (anamorphic, so I might not replace) Treasure Island and a Brazillian Christmas Carol (LBX, but missing the Michael Caine song). Plus the lasers of Treasure and Christmas Carol, before I found R+ releases....

So, I'll kind of be triple dipping....
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post #82 of 242
8/23/05 at 10:49am
I am so happy.
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post #83 of 242
8/23/05 at 11:56am
That's good news, I take back some of the things I said above. However, it still seems like there probably won't be much in the way of substantial extras (especially with 2 versions of the film on one disc). Unless the A/V quality if "T.M.M." and "Caper" is seriously improved, I'm not sure if I will bother with the upgrade (unless some good supplimental material surfaces). But it is great news for those who wish to finally have an OAR version of "Christmas Carol" and "Treasure Island"
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post #84 of 242
8/23/05 at 1:00pm
This is great news. I'll finally be able to retire my Japanese R2 (non-anamorphic) Christmas Carol

I'm not that fussed by the extras (or lack of)... as long as it's OAR and uncut then it's all good!
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post #85 of 242
8/23/05 at 1:29pm
This is good news. I've been waiting on purchasing all of the movies, but I wanted to hold on for an OAR version of The Muppet Christmas Carol, which was the first one I saw.
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post #86 of 242
8/23/05 at 2:12pm
Thank God.
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post #87 of 242
8/23/05 at 2:16pm
Someone should edit into the title something like "(EDIT: They are Widescreen)" a bunch may have read the topic and got pissed off and haven't checked back and may not know or ever know the good news.
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post #88 of 242
8/23/05 at 2:26pm
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Someone should edit into the title ...
Right!




Cees
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post #89 of 242
8/23/05 at 2:57pm
BTW, some other rumored specs on the special feature content which sounds more promising as well (none of this should be taken as fact...don't presume that until the disc is in-hand and reviewed)

http://muppetnewsflash.blogspot.com/...ion-specs.html
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post #90 of 242
8/23/05 at 4:53pm
I wonder which "full frame" transfer they will use for The Muppet Movie- the 1981 laserdisc from Magnetic Video is open-matte and you can see all sorts of arms and stuff that you're not supposed to see! When the band comes outside the barn you can see two guys laying down on some sort of roll-around boards operating the puppets! The RCA Selectavision disc that came out the same year was zoomed-in so you didn't see any of that stuff. The rest of the movies were shot hard-matte 1.85.

Is the Columbia "Manhattan" disc really in MONO? Even the CED videodisc when it was on CBS/FOX Video is in stereo! I heard they re-did the DVD as a dual-layer disc instead of 2-sided to change the disc menus, which had the World Trade Center buldings in them.
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