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Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

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Originally Posted by Mike LoMonaco
Kind of what they did with Day the Earth Stood Still you mean?
Don't mean to step on Harry's "floor" but yes, I think this is what he's referring to. In that instance, the studio that made the original and the remake were the same. Not the case with Pelham.

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Originally Posted by Luisito34
We're off to a good start - The New York Daily News has given 'Pelham' four stars. I usually trust their opinion.
Good to know--thanks. Think I'll go look into getting my tickets for Friday night!
post #122 of 160
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Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

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Originally Posted by Paul.S
Don't mean to step on Harry's "floor" but yes, I think this is what he's referring to. In that instance, the studio that made the original and the remake were the same. Not the case with Pelham.

Yeah - I forgot that important factoid...

Harry
post #123 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

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Originally Posted by Luisito34
We're off to a good start - The New York Daily News has given 'Pelham' four stars.

You're referring to the remake, I assume? I really want to see this...seems exciting in the typical Scott fashion...

In the original, three men hijack the train, do they not? In this one, is it just Travolta alone?

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Note to MGM: We don't need a 3-disc Ultimate Edition - just remaster the film a little bit and include the trailer. Most of us will be happy.

If you're referring to the original here, I agree -- no need to go Three Disc Ultimate Edition psycho...just a good, clean transfer and perhaps a multichannel audio mix from the mono...
post #124 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

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Originally Posted by Paul.S
Don't mean to step on Harry's "floor" but yes, I think this is what he's referring to. In that instance, the studio that made the original and the remake were the same. Not the case with Pelham.

That was an interesting fact that I overlooked -- this Pelham remake is being made by Fox, yes, with the co-production by Scott's Scott Free studio? The original was released by MGM, wasn't it? But wasn't Quantum of Solace released by Columbia/Fox/MGM?
post #125 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

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Originally Posted by Mike LoMonaco
In the original, three men hijack the train, do they not? In this one, is it just Travolta alone?
Four men in original. Don't know about new one as I'm avoiding such details until they're revealed while sitting in the darkened theater.

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Originally Posted by Mike LoMonaco
That was an interesting fact that I overlooked -- this Pelham remake is being made by Fox, yes, with the co-production by Scott's Scott Free studio?
No--I need to see the billing block (the credit layout on the poster) to be sure but the remake is I think a co-production by Columbia (Sony) and MGM. Scott Free isn't so much a "studio" per se (it's not one of the big six distributors); it's Rid and Tony's production company.

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Originally Posted by Mike LoMonaco
The original was released by MGM, wasn't it? But wasn't Quantum of Solace released by Columbia/Fox/MGM?
Yes, the original is an MGM film.

QOS is a completely different situation. (I recommend checking out John Cork's "The Road To Casino Royale" docu on the re-release CR BD and DVD if you want to learn more about the remarkable backstory on some of the parties--specifically how Columbia and [Bond producers] Eon, Danjaq and MGM/UA were on opposite sides of the Kevin McClory litigation but then all reconciled to come together and make CR).

Danjaq produced and, along with MGM (specifically UA) and Columbia, owns QOS. Sony had theatrical distribution rights throughout almost the entire world. Fox had nothing to do with the financing, production or theatrical release of the film. The only reason there's a Fox logo on the back of our QOS BD is because Fox handles home video distribution for MGM titles. (This remarkable messiness happened one year after Sony became a minority owner of MGM: they lost MGM home vid rights to Fox.) Same thing with, say, Silence Of the Lambs and Raging Bull: Fox had nothing to do with the making of those films years ago; they're just the current holder of the home vid rights. (This was not the case when CR hit home vid, which is why you don't see a Fox logo on the back of that DVD/BD--that's a Sony title. Notice how CR has Dolby TrueHD and QOS has DTS-HD MA?)

It's as clear as the plot for Mission: Impossible, huh?
post #126 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

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Originally Posted by Paul.S
Four men in original. Don't know about new one as I'm avoiding such details until they're revealed while sitting in the darkened theater.

Right -- FOUR men; it's been awhile since I've seen that one...

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No--I need to see the billing block (the credit layout on the poster) to be sure but the remake is I think a co-production by Columbia (Sony) and MGM.

I've lost track of all these studio buys/rebuys/co-productions over the past few years...sometimes there's like nine studio monikers that flash on the screen before a film's opening title sequencing begins...

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Scott Free isn't so much a "studio" per se (it's not one of the big six distributors); it's Rid and Tony's production company.

Yes, I know; that's what I meant -- their production company/project base.

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Yes, the original is an MGM film.

Right...

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QOS is a completely different situation. (I recommend checking out John Cork's "The Road To Casino Royale" docu on the re-release CR BD and DVD if you want to learn more about the remarkable backstory on some of the parties--specifically how Columbia and [Bond producers] Eon, Danjaq and MGM/UA were on opposite sides of the Kevin McClory litigation but then all reconciled to come together and make CR).

Danjaq produced and, along with MGM (specifically UA) and Columbia, owns QOS. Sony had theatrical distribution rights throughout almost the entire world. Fox had nothing to do with the financing, production or theatrical release of the film. The only reason there's a Fox logo on the back of our QOS BD is because Fox handles home video distribution for MGM titles. (This remarkable messiness happened one year after Sony became a minority owner of MGM: they lost MGM home vid rights to Fox.) Same thing with, say, Silence Of the Lambs and Raging Bull: Fox had nothing to do with the making of those films years ago; they're just the current holder of the home vid rights. (This was not the case when CR hit home vid, which is why you don't see a Fox logo on the back of that DVD/BD--that's a Sony title. Notice how CR has Dolby TrueHD and QOS has DTS-HD MA?)

It's as clear as the plot for Mission: Impossible, huh?

At the end of the day, what I meant was that it can be a bit overwhelming and daunting keeping on top of which studio creates the film, which one markets it and which is in charge of releasing the title to the home video formats -- it seemed weird to me on Quantum that Fox even had their name on the case because the film was clearly opening as a "Columbia/Sony-MGM" vehicle, as was Casino...
post #127 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

Re "At the end of the day, what I meant was that it can be a bit overwhelming and daunting keeping on top of which studio creates the film, which one markets it and which is in charge of releasing the title to the home video formats"

IMDb's "Company Credits" is your friend.

It's all at once more and less complicated than it seems. QOS is just a gnarly example. FWIW, generally speaking the studio (as opposed to production company) listed first in the billing block has domestic theatrical and is marketing the film at least domestically. Generally speaking, whoever has dom theatrical also has home vid. In the case of a co-prod, the studio in second position likely has theatrical rights in some international territories. And the order in the billing block is the order in which you will see studio logos appear onscreen at the beginning of the pic.
post #128 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

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Originally Posted by Paul.S
Re "At the end of the day, what I meant was that it can be a bit overwhelming and daunting keeping on top of which studio creates the film, which one markets it and which is in charge of releasing the title to the home video formats"

IMDb's "Company Credits" is your friend.

I wouldn't be that interested or obssessed, to need to seek a website directory to find this info out!
post #129 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

Yes, the four-star review is for the remake
post #130 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

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Originally Posted by Mike LoMonaco
I wouldn't be that interested or obssessed, to need to seek a website directory to find this info out!

Ahh . . . interested enough to post questions to a online discussion forum thread (in which you are the top poster) but not interested enough to use an excellent, popular resource to independently seek out the answers to those questions. Got it!

In the words of Col. Jessep, "I would rather you just said "thank you" . . ."
post #131 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

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Originally Posted by Paul.S
Ahh . . . interested enough to post questions to a online discussion forum thread (in which you are the top poster) but not interested enough to use an excellent, popular resource to independently seek out the answers to those questions. Got it!

In the words of Col. Jessep, "I would rather you just said "thank you" . . ."

Huh??? I'm the top poster? Where?

What I meant by what I said was (irrespective of your Few Good Men reference) I wouldn't be THAT obssessed to look THOSE kinds of things up; I never specifically STARTED a thread asking about these studio monikers and their relation to one another at the beginning of a film's title sequence, I just asked an off the cuff question in the midst of another topic...I didn't realize I was wasting that much of your time. My apologies.

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Originally Posted by Luisito34
Yes, the four-star review is for the remake

Thanx.
post #132 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

Can we get back on topic without further sidetracking this thread. Thank you.





Crawdaddy
post #133 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
Can we get back on topic without further sidetracking this thread. Thank you.





Crawdaddy

'Daddy, I have made my apologies.
post #134 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

I was at Fox Studios this morning and had the opportunity to pass
along our concerns about the non-anamorphic repackaged catalog release.

All I can tell you is that notes were taken by the studio and will be
passed along to the MGM marketing team.

At best, they will get the message that we want to see a proper release
done of the original film. My only concern is that with this recent
repackage it may be very difficult for them to go back and get yet
another modified version out a few short months later. If I were a
betting man, I would bet the house you will not see a re-release of
the title anytime soon.
post #135 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

It was on the CW in HD last night (edited of course), would they make a brand new restoration just for that? Wonder if they would try to package both versions together like Day the Earth Stood Still.
post #136 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

Alex,

The problem is, the original and remake are not the same studio.

There could be no dual packaged release.
post #137 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

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Originally Posted by Alex cosmo
Wonder if they would try to package both versions together like Day the Earth Stood Still.
The remake is actually a Columbia/Sony picture so, unfortunately, it's very unlikely that that will happen.

EDIT: Ron beat me to it.
post #138 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
Alex,

The problem is, the original and remake are not the same studio.

There could be no dual packaged release.
The remake is a dual production between Columbia and MGM so I think something could be worked out if they really wanted it to do something regarding the remake's video release with perhaps the original as an extra.






Crawdaddy
post #139 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
I was at Fox Studios this morning and had the opportunity to pass along our concerns about the non-anamorphic repackaged catalog release.

Thanks for that. I mean it would be a perfect opportunity to re-release this film (also in BD).. At least make it anamorphic this time.
post #140 of 160

Re: The Taking Of Pelham 1-2-3, anamorphic?

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
The remake is a dual production between Columbia and MGM so I think something could be worked out if they really wanted it to do something regarding the remake's video release with perhaps the original as an extra.

That would be unfortunate indeed, relegating the 1974 original to a mere extra just for the new remake. At this stage if this is turned out to be the only way I'd be able to get the '74 film in anamorphic, then I'd have little choice but to spring for the package. But I'd probably place the '74 disc in my old DVD case and discard the remake.
post #141 of 160

For those of you that have a Blu-ray player you might be interested to know that Best Buy has an exclusive with The Taking of Pelham One Two Three for a Blu-ray release on 05-29-11 which is today. 

 

It's selling for 9.99 and I recently viewed a HD presentation of it on HD Net Movies so I'm thinking this BRD is derived from the same transfer. 

 

As to a DVD release in Region One.  I haven't heard a thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Crawdaddy

post #142 of 160


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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford View Post

For those of you that have a Blu-ray player you might be interested to know that Best Buy has an exclusive with The Taking of Pelham One Two Three for a Blu-ray release on 05-29-11 which is today. 

 

It's selling for 9.99 and I recently viewed a HD presentation of it on HD Net Movies so I'm thinking this BRD is derived from the same transfer. 

 

As to a DVD release in Region One.  I haven't heard a thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Crawdaddy



Checked the web site and local stores have it.  After lunch this and MIDNIGHT COWBOY will be mine.

 

post #143 of 160

Wow...

 

That came out of nowhere.

 

Going to Best Buy today to buy Pelham and Midnight Cowboy.


Going to see if I can reserve it online.

 

Edit: No go.  Midnight Cowboy is in stock at all area stores but none of them

have Taking of Pelham in stock.  Damn!  Will just wait till Amazon has these.

post #144 of 160
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the tip Robert and Ronald.  Now that I have a Blu-Ray player, this will be a perfect upgrade.  I've checked local availability and found one store not too far away that lists one, ordered it for pick-up and just got confirmation to go to the store.

 

Thanks again, guys!

 

Harry


Edited by Harry-N - 5/29/11 at 7:39am
post #145 of 160


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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein View Post

Wow...

 

That came out of nowhere.

 

Going to Best Buy today to buy Pelham and Midnight Cowboy.


Going to see if I can reserve it online.

 

Edit: No go.  Midnight Cowboy is in stock at all area stores but none of them

have Taking of Pelham in stock.  Damn!  Will just wait till Amazon has these.


Ron,

 

Keep checking everyday as they become in stock.  I was able to buy five titles today from BB only The Firm isn't in stock yet.

 

 


 

 

post #146 of 160
Thread Starter 

I just finished watching the new Blu-Ray of THE TAKING OF PELHAM ONE TWO THREE and thought I'd make a few comments here.

 

Video:

The whole movie looked darker to me than I'd remembered it from the last time I looked at the non-anamorphic DVD.  The Blu-Ray image was clear as a bell for the most part, with noticeable grain in spots, but everything just seemed a shade too dark to me.  Images were lost in dark shadows and corners.  So I compared it to the DVD with a side-by-side feature on my Sony television.  There's a definite difference in the brightness levels between the DVD and the BR.  The DVD looked like a TV with the brightness setting too high, so that black areas had a grayish look to them.  The Blu-Ray again looked like it was a shade too far the other way, losing some image in a black crush.

 

Color: 

The Blu-Ray color balance looked natural to me.  If you look on one of my earlier posts in this thread, you'll see a comparison of the DVD and the old LD transfer, and I discuss there the overly pinkish hues that were prevailing on the LD.  That was toned down on the DVD, but compared to the BR, the DVD is still too pink-looking.  In one scene, part of a wall of the subway car looked a natural greenish color on the Blu-Ray, where the DVD had washed that color out to a gray.

 

Audio:

It's mono all the way here with the main English track being a 2.0 dts track.  There's also a Dolby Digital 2.0 French and another one in Spanish.  The mono 2.0 dts track acted strangely on my audio receiver.  Instead of pushing all of the audio to my center channel speaker, it fed the mono track to my two left-right channel speakers.  With most Dolby Digital movies that are in 2.0 mono, the sound processor forces everything out to the center channel speaker.  This one just seemed a little odd to me - not bad, just different from my usual.  The audio track on the English 2.0 dts sounds clean, clear and crisp - quite good for a mid-70's audio track.  

 

Lost in the upgrade is the old static menu on the DVD had David Shire's theme music in stereo.  On the Blu-Ray, there IS no static menu at all.  The movie plays after the legal notices without operator intervention.  There is only a pop-up menu to get to the "Play", "Chapters", "Setup" and "Extras" sections.  Upon finishing, the movie simply restarted rather than going to any kind of menu.

 

The disc's packaging has both MGM and 20th Century Fox logos.  When you play the disc, you get a 20th Century Fox Home Video logo at the start, and on the film itself is a UA logo.

 

Overall I'm thrilled to have one of my favorite seemingly forgotten movies upgraded to the latest technologies, but I guess I'm just not used to seeing it so dark.  Now, I know that subways are inherently dark places, but even the bright, sunny streets of New York look a little underdone here.  I'll be interested to see what others come up with on their viewings.

 

Harry

post #147 of 160



 

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein View Post

Wow...

 

That came out of nowhere.

 

Going to Best Buy today to buy Pelham and Midnight Cowboy.


Going to see if I can reserve it online.

 

Edit: No go.  Midnight Cowboy is in stock at all area stores but none of them

have Taking of Pelham in stock.  Damn!  Will just wait till Amazon has these.


Hit BEST BUY around 2PM today and they had a side display with all the MGM Blu-ray exclusive titles.  I had checked the racks first and did not find any of them.  Then started checking the side displays and low and behold there they were.  Picked up Midnight and Pelham.  Very happy with Pelham and found the transfer much better than the non-anamorphic DVD. True it was dark in the subway tunnel, but the drabness in the offices and even the outside scenes give structure to the story.  It's funny, if it was not for the make of the cars and no cell phones, then you  could have a hard time placing the year the film takes place in.  The trailer is included in Pelham and the DVD extras on Midnight Cowboy are also carried over on that title (Audio Commentary, Documentaries).
 

On a side note, the Blu-ray Pelham remake with Washington and Travolta was on also on sale for $9.99, so double check which one you pick up.

 

post #148 of 160

Happy to finally trash my non-anamorphic Pelham DVD!

post #149 of 160

This is a title that deserves full-blown Special Edition treatment but I suppose it IS better than that old letterboxed DVD.

post #150 of 160

So, for the heck of it, I went to Best Buy today, and

despite the fact it was indicated online that they did

not have these titles --- they did -- sort of.

 

The display was there at the side of the aisle.  They

had Midnight Cowboy in stock.  All the copies of

Pelham were gone.

 

That kind of pissed me off.  I could have had both

these films over the weekend if the online stock

indication was correct.

 

Did not pick up Midnight Cowboy.  I figured, I can

stop by tomorrow and see if both are in stock together.

 

How long is this sale going on?

 

Also, I have to thank Fox for putting the original

Pelham out on Blu-ray.  For the life of me, I could

not figure out why they chose to release this obscure

title to Blu-ray so quickly....then I remembered...I had

many conversations with their team shortly after the

DVD release about the lack of anamorphic in the release.

I had urged them to do another re-release as soon as

they could.  Kind of sounds like they kept that suggestion

in the back of their mind.  Thank You.

 

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