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post #2371 of 2824
6/11/08 at 5:58pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette
Nicholas, thanks for that! So, what's the best original, unaltered version of Star Wars out there that has watchable PQ, or am I just better off sticking with my Limited Edition DVDs and, gasp, zooming them with my Oppo DV-983H?

They're not even limited since they are available in every box store I've seen so far.

I made anamorphic versions of them just so I wouldn't have to zoom in and get subtitles cut off. Even kept the exact same menus.


By the way, all DVD versions of REVISITED feature this screen the moment you place the disc in your player:



Something to keep in mind, but I think it's safe to say everyone here has MULTIPLE purchased copies of STAR WARS in its various incarnations so that need not be an issue.
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post #2372 of 2824
6/11/08 at 7:02pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

Nicholas, just wanted to tip my hat to you for sharing movie joy with others.

Excelsior!
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post #2373 of 2824
6/11/08 at 7:37pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette
BTW, does anyone know where this film fits in the chronology with respect to the Tartakovsky cartoon series?
My guess is that it's all over the entire war depending on the story or they'll start shortly after Episode II so they've got the full three years between Episodes II and III to utilize.

EDIT: The first 21 Tartakovsky cartoons take place in the first year after Episode II and the last 4 take place right before Episode III.

Here's a timeline from Wookieepedia that is so detailed with all the books, comics, short stories, TV shows that it even frightens me. Clone Wars - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki
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post #2374 of 2824
6/12/08 at 1:35am

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Martin
Oh I can do it.

I just now finished copying mine to a disc image. I already have the discs, and I DO NOT WANT blanks or postage .

PM me with mailing details and I'll try to make at least four discs.
Because I live overseas, that deal would be unfair to you in my case.
I will certainly try and see what I can do myself first. If it "only" takes me four or five days, it won't be a problem (and not be slower anyway ).


Cees
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post #2375 of 2824
6/12/08 at 2:04am

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

i found something called speed download.

truly speeds up the dl process somehow.

one of the 81 files of the revisited dls. in about 2 minutes.
i got the first 35 files done in about 90 minutes.
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post #2376 of 2824
6/12/08 at 7:45am

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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Originally Posted by TravisR
Here's a timeline from Wookieepedia that is so detailed with all the books, comics, short stories, TV shows that it even frightens me. Clone Wars - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki

Thanks, Travis.
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post #2377 of 2824
6/12/08 at 1:32pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

I planned on making four discs and I had three requests, with a fourth pending.

Paul has agreed to continue the "Pay-It-Forward" chain when his disc arrives, and that will probably be a good idea because the vast majority of HTF'ers are within the United States so it would probably be faster.

I am sending the three (soon to be four) discs from Canada, so the mail will take a little longer, but not by much.
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post #2378 of 2824
6/12/08 at 5:15pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

I have seen half of it. But before I finish it on another night, please tell me how he achieved the scenes that look like the original version? For example the ronto-less scenes.
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post #2379 of 2824
6/12/08 at 5:22pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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Originally Posted by Sam Davatchi
I have seen half of it. But before I finish it on another night, please tell me how he achieved the scenes that look like the original version? For example the ronto-less scenes.

I haven't read all 245 or so pages of the thread Adywan started, cataloging his progress throughout but it looks as though he blended the original theatrical version and the 2004 version together. There are additional scenes throughout the film which are also from the original theatrical version, including the uncensored blaster wounds several Imperial Officers get which were cut out of the 1997 SE / 2004 DVD.

I suspect he simply cleaned up those scenes as best he could since they would be so short the difference in quality wouldn't stand out and be obvious.

It's funny, this version not only fixed the 2004 DVD's issues, but also brought back certain elements to bring it closer to the original version as well, notably lines of dialogue and voices altered for later versions of the film.
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post #2380 of 2824
6/12/08 at 6:17pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

Well, it seems your fourth disc is spoken for too.

(While my download process was slowing down more and more by what can only be described as increasing obstruction by RapidShare, I received a PM from Nicholas taking away my last remaining resistance. Which wasn't too difficult to do. )

Great gesture Nicholas! Very decent of you!!
If there's anything I can do in return ever - don't hesitate to tell.


Cees
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post #2381 of 2824
6/12/08 at 6:54pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Martin
...notably lines of dialogue and voices altered for later versions of the film.
In the case of the original Star Wars, I think the changed dialogue all depends on what type of audio setup the theater you were seeing the movie in. If I remember correctly, there were different mixes for 70 mm, the stereo and mono releases so in 1977, you could have heard the stormtrooper say "Close the blast door" or say nothing all depending on the theater you were in.
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post #2382 of 2824
6/12/08 at 8:52pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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Originally Posted by Cees Alons
Great gesture Nicholas! Very decent of you!!
If there's anything I can do in return ever - don't hesitate to tell.


Cees

I just hope everyone who sees it likes it as much as Brent, Todd, Sam, myself and anyone else who saw it before.

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Originally Posted by TravisR
In the case of the original Star Wars, I think the changed dialogue all depends on what type of audio setup the theater you were seeing the movie in. If I remember correctly, there were different mixes for 70 mm, the stereo and mono releases so in 1977, you could have heard the stormtrooper say "Close the blast door" or say nothing all depending on the theater you were in.


Original Trilogy is full of threads about people recreating/restoring the various mixes, and the Revisited version is a combination of several. This is why in addition to the 'Close the blast door' line as well as the tractor beam functionality line 3PO says (absent on the 2006 non-anamorphic DVD, present in the SE) you also get Aunt Beru's original unaltered voice, taken from the mono mix.

There's even bits and pieces of audio from the original radio version in there, such as Luke yelling "Biggs? BIGGS!!!" after Biggs' X-Wing is blown away, not present in the film version.

I mailed three of the four discs, and got a last minute request from a fellow Canadian bumping it up to five, so the remaining two will be mailed tomorrow (or technically today, since it's really freakin' late right now)
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post #2383 of 2824
6/13/08 at 1:49am

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

A couple of things to note about the disc, whether you downloaded it or are getting a mailed hard copy. I bring this up because I don't know how widely known it was that there was additional material included:

The disc contains DVD-ROM material which includes a PDF file noting all the visual changes. A member of Original Trilogy made a webpage of the PDF contents so anyone who is curious as to what the changes look like but don't want the disc (so you can see what the fuss is about regardless), can click here:

Star Wars Revisited Visual Comparison Part One

Star Wars Revisited Visual Comparison Part Two

The remaining material is a collection of the many examples of DVD cover artwork by several members of Original Trilogy, all high resolution.

Adywan (the Revisited editor) made the best looking artwork, and while I could not print out that artwork for the discs I mailed, I did print out Adywan's disc label and attach it to the five discs.
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post #2384 of 2824
6/13/08 at 3:56am

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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I suspect he simply cleaned up those scenes as best he could since they would be so short the difference in quality wouldn't stand out and be obvious.

It’s an amazing job. I was checking the 3 versions, this version to the other 2 official versions on DVD, the 2004 and the original version. I had forgotten how bad the original version looks. It’s very difficult to match it to the 2004 DVD.

Anyway I have not finished it and have not posted my thoughts yet. I will after I finish it but for the moment it’s a great achievement and also a "failure" at the same time.
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post #2385 of 2824
6/13/08 at 9:51am

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

I'm glad you posted those Visual Comparison links, Nicholas, as they really show just how much work Adywan put into this project. It will give people a chance to see the amazing number of improvements he made to the 2004 version.
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post #2386 of 2824
6/13/08 at 10:05am

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

I saw that Star Wars Revisited fan edit months ago, a fantastic job of 'restoration'. I couldn't believe what I was looking at, practically every frame had been tampered with in some way. Excellent work.

My only complaints were music related, the use of the Empire theme, I much prefer hearing it introduced first in Empire Strikes Back, and even worse, music from Revenge of the Sith over the Vader vs Obi-Wan lightsabre duel. But its not enough to spoil it for me, I've already watched Revisited three times.
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post #2387 of 2824
6/13/08 at 10:31am

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

I watched Revisited last night and I was pretty surprised by how energetic the Obi-Wan/Vader duel was. Much improved over the original with two old guys poking glow sticks at each other.
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post #2388 of 2824
6/13/08 at 10:34am

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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Originally Posted by Steve Christou
...even worse, music from Revenge of the Sith over the Vader vs Obi-Wan lightsabre duel.

Oddly enough, that was one of my favorite changes. It seem to lend much more gravitas to the scene for me and it made our heroes' escape from the Death Star all the more bittersweet.

In fact, looking back on it, I don't think there were a whole lot of changes I didn't like. It was odd hearing the bits from the mono mix and the radio drama. My only real complaint was that sometimes the music seemed to drowned out the dialog a bit too much for my liking.

I did notice one mistake that wasn't corrected. In the Jawa Sandcrawler, there is a white droid that has its head moved via wire, which is still visible, as R2-D2 is rolling by.

Also, when Red Leader says, "Stay there... I just lost my starboard engine", I was expecting the shot of Vader's TIE shooting Red Leader's starboard engine to be placed before this line. I'd always thought this was an obivious continuity error. Am I missing something here?
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post #2389 of 2824
6/13/08 at 11:08am

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Martin
...you also get Aunt Beru's original unaltered voice, taken from the mono mix.
I know it makes me a friggin' nerd but that is really cool. Is the original voice more in sync than the dubbed one during the "Most of his friends are gone..." dialogue?

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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette
Also, when Red Leader says, "Stay there... I just lost my starboard engine", I was expecting the shot of Vader's TIE shooting Red Leader's starboard engine to be placed before this line. I'd always thought this was an obivious continuity error. Am I missing something here?
I always thought Red Leader's X-Wing was supposed to be having engine trouble from either the exertion of racing down the Death Star trench or the explosion from his proton torpedoes hitting the surface (rather than having trouble from a hit from a TIE Fighter) and then Darth Vader took a shot at his ship as it limped by and that destroyed his engine and caused him to crash.
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post #2390 of 2824
6/13/08 at 11:54am

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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Originally Posted by TravisR
EDIT:I always thought Red Leader's X-Wing was supposed to be having engine trouble from either the exertion of racing down the Death Star trench or the explosion from his proton torpedoes hitting the surface (rather than having trouble from a hit from a TIE Fighter) and then Darth Vader took a shot at his ship as it limped by and that destroyed his engine and caused him to crash.

I suppose that is a valid explanation as well. It would be clearer if Vader's TIE shot Red Leader's X-Wing anywhere other than... a starboard engine.
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post #2391 of 2824
6/13/08 at 12:17pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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Originally Posted by TravisR
I know it makes me a friggin' nerd but that is really cool. Is the original voice more in sync than the dubbed one during the "Most of his friends are gone..." dialogue?

I'll try to make a video clip of it so you can see and hear it. The actress' style and tone of voice is quite different than the dubbed voice.
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post #2392 of 2824
6/13/08 at 12:24pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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Originally Posted by Brent M
I'm glad you posted those Visual Comparison links, Nicholas, as they really show just how much work Adywan put into this project. It will give people a chance to see the amazing number of improvements he made to the 2004 version.

Agree 100%. Wow...those comparison shots link Nic provided is quite revealing. Excellent...these will be mine. Somehow.
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post #2393 of 2824
6/13/08 at 12:35pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

Aunt Beru's original voice

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post #2394 of 2824
6/13/08 at 12:36pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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Originally Posted by Tim Glover
Agree 100%. Wow...those comparison shots link Nic provided is quite revealing. Excellent...these will be mine. Somehow.

Tim,

I've got an extra copy of the DVD-5 version so if you need one just PM me and I can send it to you.
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post #2395 of 2824
6/13/08 at 1:20pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

I found both NTSC DVD-5 and DVD-9 versions. Is the DVD-5 diminished in quality to fit onto a single layer? I'd rather download the DVD-9, but I'm guessing my DVD recorder can't do dual layers.
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post #2396 of 2824
6/13/08 at 1:26pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
I found both NTSC DVD-5 and DVD-9 versions. Is the DVD-5 diminished in quality to fit onto a single layer? I'd rather download the DVD-9, but I'm guessing my DVD recorder can't do dual layers.


The DVD-5 is not only compressed more, but lacks most of the extras:

-no isolated music score
-no Alderaan deleted scene
-no Luke and Biggs deleted scene
-no multi angle effects breakdown
-no DVD-ROM material

It also suffers from uneven dialogue levels, often drowned out by effects.

The DVD-9 version fixes that, and looks even more polished than the DVD-5, probably due to a bit more last minute improvements to give it the edge in quality.
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post #2397 of 2824
6/13/08 at 1:53pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Martin
The DVD-5 is not only compressed more, but lacks most of the extras:

-no isolated music score
-no Alderaan deleted scene
-no Luke and Biggs deleted scene
-no multi angle effects breakdown
-no DVD-ROM material

It also suffers from uneven dialogue levels, often drowned out by effects.

The DVD-9 version fixes that, and looks even more polished than the DVD-5, probably due to a bit more last minute improvements to give it the edge in quality.

Well, Nicholas, I am even more excited to receive my DVD-9 from you after reading this! The correction of the uneven dialogue levels often drowned out by effects in particular, as that was my main complaint watching Star Wars Revisited. I could also see some noticeable compression in the picture, particularly in the Tatooine scenes with R2-D2 and C-3PO.

Those extra special features sound neat as well.

Edited to add:

Oh, BTW, what is the deal with the Jabba the Hutt 3D deleted scene? It mentions needing the red and blue 3D glasses. Should I assume any will do? If so, where do I get a pair?
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post #2398 of 2824
6/13/08 at 2:28pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Martin
Aunt Beru's original voice
Awesome! I figured that was something that I'd never actually get to hear since it had never been in a video release of the movie.

Thanks for posting that.
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post #2399 of 2824
6/13/08 at 3:17pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

I've gone through all of the pictures in the links that Nicholas posted and I must say that I like the look of the changes, Lucas should seriously hire this guy!! I'll have to figure out a way to get this on disc so I can check it out on my HT.

The one change that I didn't like was the removal of Tarkins final shot!
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post #2400 of 2824
6/13/08 at 3:18pm

Re: *** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette

Oh, BTW, what is the deal with the Jabba the Hutt 3D deleted scene? It mentions needing the red and blue 3D glasses. Should I assume any will do? If so, where do I get a pair?

I guess if you have them already then any average pair will do. I have a pair I took out of an old National Geographic TITANIC expedition magazine.

The 3D effect isn't all that great, and just looks confusing because of the wacky colors. The subtitles do stand out a little more though.

If you can't see it, it's no big loss.

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Originally Posted by TravisR
Awesome! I figured that was something that I'd never actually get to hear since it had never been in a video release of the movie.

Thanks for posting that.

I can add the rest of Beru's scenes as well. It definitely takes some getting used to.
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