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*** Official STAR WARS Saga (episodes I to VI) Discussion Thread: Part 4

post #1 of 2811
5/18/05 at 11:57pm
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This official thread is for discussion of the Star Wars Saga from Episode I through Episode VI.









Crawdaddy
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post #2 of 2811
5/18/05 at 11:59pm
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Please vote for your favorite Star Wars films in the links below. Thank you for your participation.

Episode I: The Phantom Menace

Episode II: Attack of the Clones

Episode III: Revenge of the Sith

Episode IV: A New Hope

Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
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post #3 of 2811
5/19/05 at 12:02am
Where is everyone?

Thanks for the new threads Robert

P.S. I voted ESB as favorite.
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post #4 of 2811
5/19/05 at 12:51am
MOTHER FUCKER!

The projector at my theater died with about 30-40 minutes to go. I waited in fucking line for 2.5 hours in addition to waiting for tickets a few weeks ago, and now I have to go to work in 4.5 hours.

Worst. Film. Experience. Ever.

I am absolutely speechless. I cannot believe this fucking happened to me.
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post #5 of 2811
5/19/05 at 1:27am
Wow... that would suck royally. Out of all the films to go see and have the projector die, Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith would not be a good film for that.

One question I have, does Owen and Beru know what happened to Anakin?
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post #6 of 2811
5/19/05 at 1:31am
Joe: All we have to go on is Owen telling Luke that "he died about the same time as your father". While we know that Owen knows more than he is telling Luke, he probably thinks Anakin is dead, and wants to forget Obi-wan existed. (He probably blames Obi-Wan for Luke not knowing his father or mother)
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post #7 of 2811
5/19/05 at 4:40am
wow. matt. that really sucks. I will be royally pissed if anything like that happens to me tonight when I go see it.
PS
oh my god, oh my god, 11 hours to go. (dances around like a 10 year old school girl)
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post #8 of 2811
5/19/05 at 7:16am
Matt, damn, I don't know what to say... my presentation went well but the volume was a bit low. I already can't wait for the DVD, cause except for the shared crowd experience there's not much theater's offer really, I've had a lot of "I'm getting too old for this lately!"

As for voting, I'm gonna see RotS a few more times first.

I'll toss in that it worked very well by accentuating stuff from the PT that needed it (Tusken slaughter, mother's death) and skipping the stuff that didn't (Sifo-Dyas).

Plus it adds a lot to ANH but does hurt a scene. I'll never buy Vader's reaction to seeing Obi-Wan again. Instead of the circle is complete, how about you left me burning alive you *#^$%#$#$%!
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post #9 of 2811
5/19/05 at 9:30am
Force question of the day:

How is the force brought into balance at the end of episode 6?

At the end of ROTJ we are left with one Jedi knight - Luke and one force-sensitive - Leia.

That makes two for the light side and none for the dark.

Where or what are the offsetting components to counteract these light side aspects?
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post #10 of 2811
5/19/05 at 10:15am
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How is the force brought into balance at the end of episode 6?


Good question, Lou. That raises the question of the meaning of the term "balance." Is it in terms of numbers? I'm not sure. If it is, then Anakin did bring balance to the force twice. At the end of ROTS, we are left with two Sith and two Jedi. At the end of ROTJ, we are left with one Sith (Vader/Anakin) and one Jedi (luke), although you could argue that since Vader dies, we are left with only one Jedi.

Does anyone have quotes they can post from Lucas in regards to this? I'm off to Google this topic.
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post #11 of 2811
5/19/05 at 10:20am
Google really is your best friend. Here is a quote from Lucas:

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The meaning of Balance of the Force: Let me explain briefly. If good and evil are mixed things become blurred - there is nothing between good and evil, everything is grey. In each of us we have balance these emotions, and in the Star Wars saga the most important point is balance, balance between everything. It is dangerous to lose this. In The Phantom Menace one of the Jedi Council already knows the balance of The Force is starting to slip, and will slip further. It is obvious to this person that The Sith are going to destroy this balance. On the other hand a prediction which is referred to states someone will replace the balance in the future. At the right time a balance may again be created, but presently it is being eroded by dark forces. All of this shall be explained in Episode 2, so I can't say any more!
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post #12 of 2811
5/19/05 at 10:26am
Lou,

"Balance" doesn't necessarily mean an equal presence of good and evil. Were the Sith as numerous as the Jedi, they would likely overpower them, and plunge the universe into a violent dictatorship. That would not be "balanced". Balance can mean harmony, peace, stability, all of which are achieved when the Sith are finally defeated.
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post #13 of 2811
5/19/05 at 10:33am
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In each of us we have balance these emotions, and in the Star Wars saga the most important point is balance, balance between everything. It is dangerous to lose this.
Interesting quote thanks Tom. Such a mental state would be very difficult to achieve and maintain.

The best long term solution would be for Luke and Leia to not use their Force powers and not train anyone else.
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post #14 of 2811
5/19/05 at 10:38am
Matt:

I'm really sorry about that. I hope you can go see ROTS again today.

I'm not voting until I see ROTS again....it will end up anywhere from #1 to #3 but I need to see it again first. If the emotional impact remains the same, it will be #1.
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post #15 of 2811
5/19/05 at 10:53am
yeah, hard to vote right after a screening. Too much swirling around in the mind...and heart.

I'll may need several more viewings before I can accurately give ROTS it's ranking destiny.
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post #16 of 2811
5/19/05 at 10:56am
...Which won't be a problem for ya, will it?
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post #17 of 2811
5/19/05 at 10:58am
Yeah, Tim, you really just need to see ROTS 31 more times...then rating problem solved!
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post #18 of 2811
5/19/05 at 10:58am
:p)
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post #19 of 2811
5/19/05 at 11:00am
After the Impulsive, Most Impulsive...Master Replica Lightsaber purchases recently believe me, 31 more times is not a possibility.
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post #20 of 2811
5/19/05 at 11:44am
Trying not to look at any other posts...

I'm still very, very pissed off. I stopped by another theater at lunch and picked up a ticket for 6:45 tonight. Meanwhile, I'm very, very tired.

Bastards.
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post #21 of 2811
5/19/05 at 12:18pm
What would Yoda's Sith name be?

Cause going by that Pepsi commercial, he is using the force for personal gain. Yoda is going down he path of the Darkside.
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post #22 of 2811
5/19/05 at 3:00pm
Greetings

IF the Jedi council were around in Luke's time ... he would not have been able to save his friends or his father ...

In TESB ... Yoda says that if Luke rushes off to rescue his friends ... he would destroy all they have fought for ... AKA ... let them die ... (Why does that sound familiar?)

In ROTJ ... Luke must save his father ... strangely similar to Anakin must save Padme or Mother ... and Luke ignores all to that end. Anakin waits too long ... because the Jedi council keeps holding him back ...

Vader saves Luke because he is finally in a position to save someone he loves ... something he couldn't do all those years ago.

Wonderful how ROTS makes us look at the original trilogy in a different light.

Regards
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post #23 of 2811
5/19/05 at 5:24pm
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One question I have, does Owen and Beru know what happened to Anakin?
From ANH:

Aunt Beru: Luke's just not a farmer, Owen. He has too much of his father in him.

Owen: That's what I'm afraid of.
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post #24 of 2811
5/19/05 at 6:03pm
I think Owen and Beru don't know Anakin lived on and became Darth Vader. I've always assumed Obi-Wan told them that Anakin was killed in the war, and so Owen grows to hate the Jedi, since looking at it from his perspective, he had a step-brother he barely got to know because he was taken from his mother´s side when he was a boy, and thanks to his commitment to the Jedi, he was too late to save her when she needed him the most. Owen's fear for Luke is based on how the family he could have had was torn apart by their connection to the Jedi.
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post #25 of 2811
5/19/05 at 6:09pm
I'd assume Ricardo is 100% right. As far as the universe is concerned, Anakin is dead. Only Yoda and OW can confirm who Vader really is (and maybe R2). It's also possible Organa knows. I doubt OW shared that tidbit with Beru

Take care,
Chuck
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post #26 of 2811
5/19/05 at 6:12pm
If the universe thinks Anakin is dead, then the universe also has no idea that Anakin Skywalker ever turned against the Jedi.

So Anakin Skywalker remains a hero in the annals of the Republic, albeit explaining how he died would be a bit difficult.
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post #27 of 2811
5/19/05 at 7:51pm
Matt that really sucks what happened to you.

It also sucks, although to a lesser level that my hometown didn't have a midnight showing and I just got back from ROTS.

I'm in the camp that won't vote until I've seen ROTS a time or 2 more. Tim is right, as of this moment there is just too much swurling around in my head and in my heart.

I think Ricardo hit the nail on the head in his assessment of what Owen knew and thought and what he feared for his nephew.
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post #28 of 2811
5/19/05 at 8:54pm
Okay, I finally got the see the entire film. I'm not voting at this time either, though I'm leaning toward ESB as #1 and ROTS as #2.

I remember people saying (myself included) that AOTC was drastically different than all other Star Wars films. I think Sith only continues this. It really is nothing like anything I've seen before. I think Lucas did an amazing job of arranging quiet personal moments amidst a background of CGI fueled chaos. It really creates a unique texture.
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post #29 of 2811
5/19/05 at 9:32pm
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Plus it adds a lot to ANH but does hurt a scene. I'll never buy Vader's reaction to seeing Obi-Wan again. Instead of the circle is complete, how about you left me burning alive you *#^$%#$#$%!

totally agree Fred
just posted this in the ROTS discussion thread before venturing in here
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the one thing that now seems out of character in A New Hope is the encounter between Vader and Obi Wan

you would think after what Obi Wan did to Anakin that there would be a lot more 'fire' in Vader for revenge upon their first encounter since that incident... Vader seems too subdued.

you would think that maybe Obi Wan would be taken aback by Vader's mechanical appearance unless he had force premonitions about his physical state or read about him in the Tatooine Times

you would think Obi Wan would still even after all these years address Vader as Anakin (maybe not because of his belief Anakin is dead) or at least Vader and not Darth...calling him Darth seems equal to calling Dooku Count instead of Dooku.

just a few thoughts
be careful what we wish for though or George might go back and redo this scene
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post #30 of 2811
5/20/05 at 12:27am
Vader might appear more subdued because of the way OBW has aged since they met. Vader has obviously grown stronger with the Dark Side, more arrogant and confident. No one's heard a thing from OBW in years.

I bought it before ROTS and still do.
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