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post #541 of 1702
one would think that an internal dataport would have shown up on the first humaniform cylon they autopsied


Correct. But you are assuming there IS such a dataport... why?

Think about it... if you had a "USB-style" dataport, it would have to be connected to something inside... and how would you make that connection? Eventually, it would come down to a connection on the nerve-level, connecting each nerve to a corresponding wire. Now, what if the Cylon technology is sufficiently advanced that they don't need that dataport interface? They might have a nervous system that can sense a computer connection and automatically interact and configure itself, without the need for a higher-level interface. That is what I assume, based on what we've seen of the Cylon raiders, and also what I assume based on the scene with Boomer.
post #542 of 1702
Simple explanation, as far as I'm concerned: The Spylons are supposed to be indistinguishable from humans and they're also supposed to have some kind of hard wired interface. I think from what we've seen of the Cylons' level of technology, it's not unreasonable to think they could make the connection undetectable when not in use. Maybe some kind of nanotech forms the connection out of the Spylon's "tissue" and then reverts to normal when no longer needed.
post #543 of 1702
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They might have a nervous system that can sense a computer connection and automatically interact and configure itself, without the need for a higher-level interface.

That's exactly what I was thinking, that she plugged it directly into her "nervous system". It is also why it probably took a while for it to work.

Overall, it was a pretty good episode (Just watched it last night.)

Jason
post #544 of 1702
Why would it have to be a dataport? I could easily see a biological-fiber optic connection being feasible. Nerve tissue directly communicating by light/optical transmission is certainly not a huge reach in development since there are plenty of primitive organisms that already have some sort of rudimentary type of this communication already.

It still could also be a major sleight of hand performed for the BG to get them to trust Sharon. A couple hundred ships sacrificed would seem to be nothing in the big picture if it's part of a Double Agent ruse. The look on Boomers face when she saw the printed data of the 'virus' could easily have triggered the next part of "The Plan."
post #545 of 1702
So nobody is buying my idea that "the optical cable up the wrist" was an act and that the real control mechanism was elsewhere (meaning either controlled by the cylons outside the Galactica or by Boomer through a different means)? Peeesh. I find that much more interesting than talking about USB ports.

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post #546 of 1702
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Peeesh. I find that much more interesting than talking about USB ports.


You don't find speculation about Boomer's USB ports interesting? Do you like gladiator movies by any chance?
post #547 of 1702
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The look on Boomers face when she saw the printed data of the 'virus' could easily have triggered the next part of "The Plan."


I disagree.
I saw alarm on Sharon's face, nothing to indicate that she had been "activated" or anything.

REMEMBER: the virus was transmitted BEFORE preggers Boomer arrived and has a mind of its own. So it destroying the ship with her aboard isn't farfetched.

Seeing as Cylon spines glow when they're excited indictates they have some technology in there. Boomer shoving a optic cable the same way someone would an IV isn't far fetched to me either.
post #548 of 1702
That was the absolute worst music I have ever heard during the scene on the Galactica bridge when they find out who the other ship is.

Just didn't fit the situation.
post #549 of 1702
Even better cliffhanger for the season break than the end of season one. Whew!

Love the Pegasus "battlestar on steroids" look and how the interiors are much more high tech than the Galactica.

But is the Pegasus CIC crew beginning to realize the Admiral is a nut job?

Final shot with the cameras spiraling around Adama and Cain was great. And for the record, I liked the music at the opening.

A new battlestar shows up, which should be a cause for incredible celebration, and within days they are about to engage in active combat against one another. Continues the show's commentary about the nature of human behavior being ultimately self-destructive.
post #550 of 1702
Excellent summer finale. I can not wait to listen to the Ron Moore commentary podcast for this one.

capt
post #551 of 1702
Okay, so when does the new season start? January? About a few months too late for my liking. Wowzers. Lloyd Bridges never went as far as Cain and her people. Dang.
post #552 of 1702
Wow. Very disturbing. One of the most unsettling episodes they've done. Also one of the best yet.
post #553 of 1702
There were several instances of weird and seemingly out of place music in the episode. Still, I enjoyed it a lot.

It's been a while since I saw the original BSG, and I realize this series is only loosely based on the original, but Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
isn't it almost certain Cain will be out of the picture and Adama will wind up commanding both battlestars?
post #554 of 1702
Tonight's episode showed why this show is so good. Any other show would take the cheap way out and use a second battlestar to throw some excitement and uplifting victory into the plot. Only on this show is the location of another battlestar the start of the main character losing his leadership role, civil war, attempted rape of our favorite spylon, a broken Six, etc. Wow.
post #555 of 1702
#2x10 - Pegasus

Gang Rape as an interrogation tactic? Unfortunately I couldn't give the episode my undivided attention this evening, but if I saw this correctly, we basically learned that the Pegasus Cylon interrogator raped the female Cylon and passed her around for sloppy seconds when done. Shades of Abu Garib. This show does take risks. Luckily Sharon has Helo and Tyrol.

3 months with no BSG2K3.
post #556 of 1702
Battlestar Galactica (9/23/2005): "Pegasus" Anne Cofell Saunders (wr.), Michael Rymer (dir.)

The series continues to punctuate and showcase the area of Ron Moore's greatest writing strengths and interests: political theater. He and his writing staff manage to top themselves in that area from week to week.

With about 48,000+ humans left being chased and/or infiltrated by killer Cylons, however, getting into a shooting war doesn't make much sense. (Not that it's supposed to. Humans are often nonsensical creatures.)

Of note . . .

visuals:

---director Michael Rymer's camera twirling around the Adama and Kane separately as they exchange phone communications, the same technique he (over)used in the miniseries. I guess it beats the usual tv close-up. Still, I, for one, could live without it.

---the careful contrast between Kane's (modern, with cool blue light) and Adama's (warmly lit with red-yellow lighting, old-fashioned furnishings, antique books, etc.) quarters. Very interesting and very subtly done.


music:

---the rock guitar music at the introduction of the Pegasus and again later during the Baltar cell scenes (there punctuated by female vocalese). A step down from their usual, but it's not (yet) totally offtrack. (Could get there, though if it doesn't stay "spacy".)


drama:

---Baltar rambles on in the torture cell without concern for possible electronic eavesdropping and confesses his collaboration with the Cylon before the attack and his lasting attachment to it/her, as well as his intention to help the present version. Given where he is, it seems discretion might be a better tack to take. I would expect the cell to be monitored both visually and auditorily.
post #557 of 1702
Fantastic Ep and what a cliffhanger.
post #558 of 1702
I think sending his Vipers to get his crewmembers back is pretty consistent to the level he will go to save any of his crew as depicted in earlier episodes. The theme of this season has been about building the "family" again after the coup and errors in decision making at the end of the last season and earlier part of this season.

At the same time, it was cool of Cain to use some of these bad decisions and oversight to justify her actions. Adama has no use for courts when they don't suit his needs. He rides herd on a crew of near or actual insubordinates and all have had to check their heads when it comes with dealing with cylons.

I only wish that they didn't kill off the Cylon rapist right off. I mean, it made Chief a murderer even if it was somewhat justified and makes Cain's decision to execute them, though hasty, not completely out of line in military code. While the atrocious behavior of our troops in Abu Grahib would justify swift intervention I doubt having any of the perpetrators killed outright would be our first response. Still, Moore and team don't like to play around and go right for the gut so it is consistent with their commitment to put these characters through the ringer.

January can't come soon enough.
post #559 of 1702
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
isn't it almost certain Cain will be out of the picture and Adama will wind up commanding both battlestars?


Unlikely

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The show is "Battlestar GALACTICA". The Pegasus will either be believed lost or destroyed.


What is is about the officer's uniforms that gives everyone a beer gut? Michelle Forbes is NOT a thick woman.
post #560 of 1702
Murder? I say involuntary manslaughter -- at most. If Sharon were considered a person, I'm not even sure it'd raise to that level. If a police officer kills you while you're committing a crime, he isn't generally guilty of a crime, though he may have issues if his response of force is excessive for the situation. Helo would have committed an accidental killing during an attempt to stop a crime.

The problem continues to be the Cylons are not considered as having inalienable rights (rights you have whether they are specifically "granted "or not). Thus, if a Cylon can't be murdered, you're looking at how to categorize a killing over damage to property. The rapists actions would be considered damage to property and given that he's been giving control over that property, he technically didn't do anything wrong. Thus, Helo had no justification for interfering.

These moral and legal dilemmas aren't going to stop me from watching and enjoying the show. In fact, the fact that it makes me uncomfortable is one of the things that interests and draws me to the how. Still, I'll feel a whole lot better on a gut level when the fleet acknowledges the Cylons are alive and deserving of some basic rights.
post #561 of 1702
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What is is about the officer's uniforms that gives everyone a beer gut? Michelle Forbes is NOT a thick woman.


That's funny, I too wondered if she'd put on weight or the uniform was making her "puffy."
post #562 of 1702
Outstanding finale. Possibly the best episode of the series yet. Waiting til January is going to be mighty hard.
post #563 of 1702
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Still, I'll feel a whole lot better on a gut level when the fleet acknowledges the Cylons are alive and deserving of some basic rights.



And that's why I absolutely love this show. It makes us think about this stuff. I loved the finale and was angry the entire time too lol. I thought it was funny Starbuck made fun of the way the counted their kills. I only wish they had 2 hours for the finale. I too thought the music was kinda goofy, i'd rather the music not pull me out of the scene. When during a scene I think to myself 'what goofy music.' then it's not working. I'm speaking of the music from the opening when they find the pegasus.
post #564 of 1702
Wow! I just finished watching the finale, and all I can think of is wow.
post #565 of 1702
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director Michael Rymer's camera twirling around the Adama and Kane separately as they exchange phone communications, the same technique he (over)used in the miniseries. I guess it beats the usual tv close-up. Still, I, for one, could live without it.


It's been a while since I've seen the mini and I don't recall this technique, though I agree a little goes a long way and it could very easily wear out its welcome. But I thought in that moment of high drama with the commander and the admiral bascially coming to a declaration of war against one another, it worked.
post #566 of 1702
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I only wish they had 2 hours for the finale.


The DVD cut of the episode will be 75 minutes. Apparently there were talks with Sci Fi Channel to make it a 90 minute episode, but they would have had to pad it too much to get it up there. As it stands, they had 15 minutes that they had to cut to bring the episode down to time.
post #567 of 1702
15 minutes additional footage should make the DVD version about an hour long.

75 minutes must be with commercials. Otherwise they could have easily made it to 90 minutes.

Speaking of DVD sets, does anyone know if there will be separate DVD releases for part 1 and part 2 of this season?
post #568 of 1702
Yeah, it won't be quite that long on the DVD. Moore said it would have been a 75 minute timeslot, because they couldn't get it up to 90 or down to 60.
I would assume season 2 will be released all at once. Isn't that what they do with Stargate SG1, which has the same summer half-season followed by a January half-season?
post #569 of 1702
I missed the conversation between Adama and Roslin. Did he say the Pegasus. Gave supplies to the Galactica?

Also, if Pegasas goes the way of the original. What & who would you like to stay with Galactica and the show?

My wish is Vipers, Raptors & pilots. Something Galactica is low on. And maybe that aeronautics engineer who was admiring the Stealth fighter.
post #570 of 1702
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Also, if Pegasas goes the way of the original. What & who would you like to stay with Galactica and the show?


Anne Lockhart?
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