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post #301 of 1702
I would Kind of Hoe Benedict Would Pass on that
post #302 of 1702
I was not sure I would care for the new out take of Battlestar Galactica especally with some of the old characters being women instead of men. Universal has hit a homerun with the new Battlestar Galactica. Like I said I was very sciptical before I saw the first few shows. Now its currently my favorite show on cable and I hope it has a good run. The cast and story lines are all top notch, as are the special effects. Thats one of the problems with the original BG is that some of the episodes where corny. I felt that even back then that they could have done a better job. I feel in many ways that even though I do enjoy the original series. That the new version of BG is superior across the board. I went out and purchased the dvd's as soon as they where available. And season 2 is looking very good so far. I cant wait for season 2 to come out so I can watch both seasons on my new DLP hd rptv that I should have by October. To the cast and crew and director or Battlestar Galactica, I saw awsum job and keep up the great work!
post #303 of 1702
I wonder if maybe season three will introduce Serina for Captain Apollo to marry. Gotta start pumping out them babies, folks. Numbers are dwindling...

Say, whatever happened to Boxey from the mini-series?
post #304 of 1702
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my new DLP hd rptv that I should have by October


I'd recommend a Sony LCD RP.
I haven't seen a DLP that looked good UNLESS its contrast was cranked to 90+%. The Sonys also has better color accuracy and resolution.

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introduce Serina for Captain Apollo


Serena died..."Boxey" in the pilot had no Mom. (Boomer 1 was supposed to look after him from time to time, the card game at the end). The Pegasus introduced Apollo to Sheba...so maybe...
post #305 of 1702
The Pegasus introduced Apollo to Sheba...so maybe...


IIRC, at the Comicon panel, Moore said that Sheba would not be showing up.
post #306 of 1702
Ron Moore also said in his blog that there would be no Sheba.

http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/
post #307 of 1702
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no Sheba


Bummer.

Of course, who could replace one of my all time favorite hotties: ANNE LOCKHART! They probably gave up

Of course, Lee Adama seems to be something of a wuss. They changed sexes for Starbuck. Perhaps Moore is planning to be even more progressive and make Apollo gay. Then he meets some guy he likes on the Pegasus...
post #308 of 1702
Think we'll see the Pegasus this week?

Kobol is the natural Rendezvous for remaining humans.

A third of the fleet is now undefended at Kobol and could use some timely assistance. The Cylons know where Kobol is and ought to be heading there knowing that humans would try to find Kobol.

They've been light on the CGI lately - no large military actions - so they've been saving their pennies for a nice big CGI battle. I can't wait. The last one was fantastic.

The flak shall around Galactica was amazing and made a lot of sense. The battles in B5 were very good too; but so much cleaner in comparison to the violent mess created around BSG. Quite a contrast.
post #309 of 1702
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Think we'll see the Pegasus this week?
I may be wrong, but I think I read an interview somewhere that Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
said the Pegasus would be introduced in the last episode of the current batch of episodes. Ie. right before the stop for January.

EDIT: I thought this was common knowledge; my apologies; I shall be more careful about using tags in the future.
post #310 of 1702
Really enjoyed reading that Blog. Thanks. I did want to shake the one person who seems to like his characters is stark black and white colors. I like the complexity of the characters.
post #311 of 1702
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I did want to shake the one person who seems to like his characters is stark black and white colors. I like the complexity of the characters.


Glad you like them, but you (and Ron Moore) should understand that not everyone on planet earth has completely bought into post-modern storytelling. Some of us still like the stark black and white nature of heroes and villains.

That said, I do appreciate quite a bit of post-modern storytelling (particularly when done well, a la BSG and most of Tarantino's movies) but why would you want to shake someone just because they don't buy into a prevailing zeitgeist?
post #312 of 1702
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2) the newer, competent Baltar didn't have any Six hallucinations this episode

Might be more because he hardly appeared in the episode at all? IIRC the only time we saw him was on the bridge when Adama returned, and only for a single shot. Hadn't noticed the bit about him not clapping (nice catch!), but on the other hand, with Roslin having been "removed", if and when civilian government is restored, doesn't that make him the new President?

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The original Adama did have many frustrations with the council of the 12, but never went as far (nor needed to go as far, apparently) as the modern Adama.

IIRC, the fleet was already under martial law, presumably declared once the attack occurred and the exodus was under way, but in later episodes the Council of Twelve wanted to reinstitute civilian rule, with Adama naturally sceptical and reluctant, again IIRC, the Council did assume control, only to frack things up big-time when Iblis showed up (by voting to follow him), and subsequently when proven wrong they surrendered control back to the military (i.e. Adama)

Nice discussion here about what the Cylons are up to in instituting "The Farm". I think the hypothesis is correct: that Cylons can only duplicate themselves (the existing 12 models), and that to get diversity, there's something about humans that Cylons still can't replicate in themselves. I somehow doubt that the women at "The Farm" were mere incubators for any of the existing 12 models, otherwise where would all the existing human-type Cylons have come from in the first place, before the attack? Surely the 12 colonies would have noticed if women of child-bearing age had been vanishing off the streets in the thousands? This suggests to me that "The Farm" is indeed experimental and has to do with Cylon experiments in enabling them to breed "naturally".
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post #314 of 1702
Chris Atkins said:why would you want to shake someone just because they don't buy into a prevailing zeitgeist?


No need to file the assault charges just yet. It's known as a "figure of speech."

Cardboard black and white characters are a dime a dozen whereas complex characters with what I consider to be real human hopes, dreams, heroic behavior, and failings are relatively rare in my entertainment experience. To me, that's what this BSG is all about and I love it for that. I have no problem with someone not liking it, but then I have to ask why watch the show and then gripe about it not being a different show? To me, the statements were a bit like watching The Brady Bunch and complaining because it isn't the Addams Family.
post #315 of 1702
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Say, whatever happened to Boxey


This show is very cool and all, but when are they going to introduce Muffit the Daggitt? ; )

Actually, just not having that thing instantly makes this a better show than the original.

Very pleased with the show; glad I made the time to see it.
post #316 of 1702
No offense, but when did it become ok to talk about things like what Ron Moore says in a podcast or an interview about when the pegasus will arrive? For me, that is a spoiler and I didn't want to know it even was going to show up, let alone when I should expect it. Again, this may be imo only, but I think Moore took the original premise of humans, cylons and a war and ran with it. I am not waiting for all of the plotlines from the original series to appear. I'm fine with similarities or some things being exactly the same, but I watch each episode as a new episode from this series, with no expectations about what a character "should do" or who they "should meet" because that's what Dirk Benedict or Richard Hatch did 30 years ago. If I have unrealistic expectations of this thread, I can accept that and just not read anymore.

Please note, I am not criticizing anyone if talking about this stuff is ok. I just enjoyed the thread a whole lot more when it was talking about what happened in the episodes and speculating about what might happen, not reporting on what Ron Moore says is going to happen. Not on a soapbox, just want to understand what I can expect from the thread.
post #317 of 1702
Charlie, my apologies. I should have placed the Pegasus question in a spoiler.
post #318 of 1702
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Charlie, my apologies. I should have placed the Pegasus question in a spoiler.


Thanks Graham. And thanks for not getting defensive. I don't even know if what you did is wrong. I am probably a hard core viewer in terms of spoilers -- I don't even watch the previews or look at the episode descriptions on the guide. So I am used to altering my own behavior to fit what is acceptable to others. :b I just wasn't sure where the line of what needed to be spoilerized was drawn. Thanks again.
post #319 of 1702
The answer is a spoiler, not the question
post #320 of 1702
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The answer is a spoiler, not the question


Doh! You're right! I didn't look back to who said what. You're right, Ken, nothing wrong with asking the question, although it does assume that we will see the Pegasus. I don't have a problem with asking, nor should I. I just want to know what should or should not be fair game for discussion in this thread. IMO, what Moore or anyone else in the know says about what will or won't happen is a spoiler and shouldn't be. If I am in the minority, I'll graciously bow out of the thread, thanking everyone on my way out for some good reading about a great show.
post #321 of 1702
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Glad you like them, but you (and Ron Moore) should understand that not everyone on planet earth has completely bought into post-modern storytelling. Some of us still like the stark black and white nature of heroes and villains.

Post-modern? I do not think that word means what you think it to mean. Homer was writing morally ambiguous heroes and sympathetic "villains" three thousand years ago.

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Say, whatever happened to Boxey from the mini-series?


I think they should bring him back and give him a dog ... only the dog turns out to be a new model Cylon. That way we get an idea from the original series, but updated for the new.
post #322 of 1702
Charlie, I too try to remain as spoiler-free as possible, so in the future if I have something spoilerish I will remember to use the tags. Sorry about that.

I would suggest staying away from Ron Moore's blog then, and not listen to the podcasts, as he sometimes sheds light on things to come.
post #323 of 1702
Ron Moore talks about the Pegasis and the Summer finale...


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An interview with Battlestar Galactica Executive Producer Ron Moore can be located in Starburst Magazine’s Battlestar Special Issue. Ron talks about using the Season 1 finale as a jumping point into Season 2, "In production terms [Season 2 is] tough as we still have a relatively small budget. After all, we’re on basic cable, so the parameters of how much we’re ever going to get are limited. It’s a hard show to produce, too, given the sort of scope, ambition and quality we’re trying to maintain. However, everyone here is more than willing to step up to the plate and work together to overcome any obstacles because we all believe so strongly in this series."

Ron also talks about the summer finale, ‘Peagsus’, which will feature Michelle Forbes (TNG’s Ensign Ro Laren) as Cain, "with Cain I wanted to maintain that kind of superior warrior attitude of someone who wants to concentrate on the battle against the Cylons as opposed to the survival of the human race. There’s a twist, through, in that we’ve made Cain an Admiral, and that throws a wrench into everything. Adama is no longer the senior military officer, and therefore not in command of the fleet any more."

"Suddenly, Roslin is no longer dealing with Adama, and this creates a new set of problems for her and everyone else. Here’s this outsider who comes in and goes, 'What the hell have you people been doing? Apollo is a mutineer, and this Starbuck is smacking people around. This isn’t a pirate ship, it’s the military.' So Cain starts making changes, and that becomes great fodder for our storytelling."

"...['Pegasus' is] going to propel a whole series of storylines in the latter 10 episodes of this season. We’ll also be delving more into the Cylons and starting to do some stories from their point of view. It's going to add a brand new dimension to how we view the Cylons, to the characters we have so far regarded as the enemy, and which side you are supposed to be rooting for. Audiences can look forward to an added layer of complexity as we get closer to this year’s finale."
post #324 of 1702
Ya know reading the above...
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Is it really necessary to change every male character into a female??
post #325 of 1702
Thread Starter 
I edited my original reply. I've been careful to spoilers future events in the past and only abstained from doing so this time because the Pegasus news was everywhere in the press for the show and so I (mistakenly) assumed it was common knowledge. I will spoilerize ALL future story in the future when it comes up.
post #326 of 1702
Todd now it seems like they are doin it just to do it.
post #327 of 1702
Thread Starter 
With that nasty business taken care of, let's move on to tonight's episode. My apologies again for anyone I've inadvertantly spoiled.
One one level, a textbook example of "alot of noise without any action". On another level, one of the finest character episodes in a while.
We're reminded of Laura Roslin's nasty attitude towards Cylons. Worse than Cally or Apollo's hatred, she doesn't even give them the space of mind afforded to thinking creatures. Boomer mk2 (hence forth just Boomer since Boomer mk1's dead) is about on the same level as a blender in Roslin's mind. Considering she's now the leader of the enemy ideology in the Cylon's mind, I think it's very potent dramatically and thematically. She and the Cylons are on the polar opposite ends of the spectrum.
Speaking of Apollo's hatred, I absolutely loved how close he was to blowing Boomer's brains out both times — and how he only stopped the first time because he was sure that Roslin would space Boomer. I was vocal last week about how I was starting to have trouble buying into Apollo's continued allegiance to Roslin in the face of his father's recovery, but this week's episode totally settled my concerns. Whatever his politics may be, he's clearly still conflicted emotionally and clearly still feels fundamentally loyal to his father in that way only family can.
I also liked the way they addressed the Apollo/Starbuck dynamic. In a matter of one episode, Starbuck becomes super-serious with this other guy, and then takes off. Now she's back in the fray with her old long-time fling. She wants to stay loyal to her new feelings, but ultimately has to concede that her connection to Apollo still has some potency. The scene with the Pyramid ball in the locker room was just spot on for their playful brotherly/sisterly/plus-a-little-more dynamic. The earlier scene where she stops him from frying Boomer also shows how much her time on Caprica has broadened her outlook. And if nothing else, his own rage for what Boomer mk1 did might be just the opening needed to broaden his own outlook. As the character that has up to now been the most irritatingly PC-level-headed Star Trek type perfect character, it's nice to see some cracks beginning to show in his character. And it's equally nice to see the same fundamental qualities that made him that PC-level-headed Star Trek type character hold him back from falling into that muddled gray that the Scifi-blog guy and Chris Atkins bemoan about modern storytelling. He remains fundamentally decent, and his flaws allow us to appreciate that instead of being irked by it.
The other relationship I liked was the Adama/Tigh dynamic. The spectre of Tigh's bad decisions in the first few episodes turned him into an incompetent alcoholic drunk to some extent in my mind (and I was one of his defenders!) This episode reminded us why Adama kept him around at all. He is the perfect XO for Adama, catching the commander's mistakes and shoring up his weaknesses. When Adama lets himself be fueled by the rage from Boomer mk1/Apollo's betrayal, Tigh catches all of the red flags and cautiously monitors the situation. But through it all, he still maintains his absolute loyalty for his boss. Tigh might not be top leadership material, but he is an extrodinarily solid military mind.
Which leads me to Adama himself. This episode was sort of heartbreaking in a way. We've had a season of him as the god teacher, and seeing him exposed time and time again as a mortal human being was a tough experience. At first, I thought the confessional scene where he's detailing the model ship was going to reveal the listener as Number Six, for maximum shock value. Yet again, the show surprises. Dualla is a character that we haven't seen interacting with Adama in such a capacity, and yet when we see it now I totally bought it. There's something inherently vulnerable about her character that opens people up, even the most mundane like Billy. That same vulnerability made her decision to press the point with Adama all the more dramatic. It was just the right small note to justify such a radical turn around.
As for that radical turn-around, I loved the moment of it. This series can pull off almost ethereal moments of revelation better than any other series I can think off. The way it just came to him as he was walking down the corridor appeared almost as if he was struck by the divine. This coupled with a subtle reprise of that Celtic father/son theme from the memento scene in last season's "Hand of God" made for one of the biggest stunners in a season of stunners.
The death of Roslin's spiritual advisor perhaps signals a return more towards the practical leader side of her character. One of the great achievements of writing Roslin through this whole priestess storyline is that they have never shortchanged her character as she's become more devout. It's one of the few portrayals of religion on TV that gets the beats of a religious character consistent with what I have seen from the religious people in my own life.
Finally, the character of Tom Zarek. Just as we start to actually trust him, we discover that he's exactly as sleazy as we'd always thought. And he has a male lover to boot! Unlike Baron Harkonnen in Dune, however, the homoerotic subtext never comes to the surface. It's there if you're looking for it, but doesn't call attention to itself if your not. I don't even think Zarek's gay; but it does makes sense to be in that kind situation after spending so many years locked up with the same person. James Remar is a fun character actor; it's great to see him get work here. I don't know how long we'll get to spend with him though, considering characters with agendas against the leads don't tend to last long — unless they're Cylons in which case there's an unlimited number of return opportunities.
post #328 of 1702
2x06 - Home, Part 1 (August 19, 2005)

First, the easy part. Did I like it or not? That doesn't require me to analyze what worked well and what didn't -- and why. It is purely based on gut reaction to the episode. I totally went along for the ride on this episode. The only thing that takes me out of the show the tiniest little bit is the way the ships maneuver in space. They move like they're in atmosphere. Minor quibble.

The human reaction to Cylons presses my buttons in all the right ways. It makes me ask myself questions that make the epidoes resonate. Those of us who've watched ST:TNG have been through the question of what makes something alive. Sentience? What is it exactly that allows us to throw a Boomer out an airlock without a moment's hesitation? If they can think, feel, and bleed, what else do they need in order to be alive? Isn't what makes us human ultimately how we treat others? Can we just say, "They're not human," as an excuse to do whatever we want?

I have far too many historical contexts to apply that question for it to be a no-brainer for me. Time after time, the humans in BSG are just as inhumane as the Cylons. Much of that can be attributed to it being a time of war and the fact that the Cylons have just executed a mass Genocide. Still, I get the feeling things wouldn't be tremendously different even without that. The Cylons get it. They're aware the humans will never see them as sentient equals. We're just too xenophobic for that.

Apollo kissing Starbuck in front of everyone didn't ring true for me. A big emotional hug would have worked just as well for me without seeming forced. Maybe kisses on the cheek with Starbuck pulling back and giving him a short quizzical "that's more than the normal welcome home greeting" look. No biggie, though.

I wasn't quite sure who the Captain's conscience was going to be, either. I was OK with the choice of character, but it still seemed a bit out of character for Adama to invite someone to his quarters because he was, essentially, unsure of himself.

As it relates to the new CAG, I had two feelings. One, it was a sad situation. Two, I felt it was a little forced as to how bad this guy actually was. It's hard for me to believe that the only person other than Apollo would be such a screwup. It's possible to say Apollo is good at his job without saying everyone else is a screwup. It just didn't ring true to me that the next best person could be THAT bad. But maybe one has to step back and look at it in context. Maybe the point was, this wasn't the next best person. Adama made a bad choice.

All of that played 2nd fiddle for me. All I really wanted to see was the Kobol/Boomer thread. I'm as bad as Helo because not only do I want to like Boomer, but I want everyone else to find a way to accept her as well. When she says, "It wasn't me," about the shooting of Adama, I'm hoping Lee realizes that it wasn't her. As if it matters. The point that has to be dealt with in the story at some point is that Galactica Boomer was a "nice" person too up until her programming kicked in and made her do something. There is absolutely no reason to believe Caprica Boomer would be any different. That needs to be dealt with.

I happened to see the previews for next week's episode. I won't say anything here other than I continue to marvel as how tightly-written this show is. I know I've said it on more than one occasion, and I've seen others say it too -- things that we feel are left open get resolved. Maybe not today or tomorrow, but they do. It feels like the people involved care enough to make the product solid, and that makes it a lot easier for me as a viewer to care.
post #329 of 1702
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Post-modern? I do not think that word means what you think it to mean. Homer was writing morally ambiguous heroes and sympathetic "villains" three thousand years ago.


Yeah, but the philosophical movements that underlie postmodernism are of fairly recent vintage, as is their exploration in cinema and film.
post #330 of 1702
I know its too late but here would have been my choice to play... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Caine...Michael Clark Duncan. He just has that bad ass presence Caine needs.
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