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post #1471 of 1702
3/13/06 at 9:36am
I don't think the Starbuck and Tigh connection needs explaining. She's out of the military. They have no more conflict between them. They are two people who both struggled through the same adversity. They hated each other, but they hated the cylons more. Time heals old wounds. I just think their hug was a device to show how much time had passed and how things had changed. Like the chief going from Callie's assaulter to her hubby.
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post #1472 of 1702
3/13/06 at 9:48am
Starbuck went to hug Tigh because she assumed he could get her the meds she wanted for Anders. Notice how she acts as soon as he doesn't have what she wants.

Apollo could still be annoyed at the comments Kara made about his girl while she was drunk. It seems a bit lame if thats all there is but maybe the comments hit home. Without more exposition we will never know.

The finale felt rushed and was worse because they spent the latter half of the season crawling through character development stories.
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post #1473 of 1702
3/13/06 at 9:50am
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'Lost' type flashbacks would be a copout IMHO.


Please, oh, please writers - I beg you - do NOT let the next season slip into the tediousness of 'Lost' flashbacks. You've got a new starting point, live it up. We're there, no need to insert backstory, drive us forward.
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post #1474 of 1702
3/13/06 at 9:59am
I'm not at all that the entire flashforward is "real". Yep, everyone has changed and gone on with their lives, but I refuse to believe that Admiral Adama and Roslin gave up against Baltar--and that's exactly what it feels like, giving up.

Why would both the Galactica and Pegasus let the entire crew go planetside, leaving two battlestars that can't even fight off any kind of attack in orbit? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense--unless Baltar ordered everyone planetside and the people who remained were disobeying orders.

Laura isn't a quitter, especially after getting this far. She's seen the number of humans left widdle from roughly 50k to 39k in just about a year. Granted, many of those people probably died when the nuke went off.

But I still believe there is a master plan. That nuke went missing back in S1 and it factored into the Occupation. It may have been forgotten by everyone but the Cylons, but the writers didn't forget it.
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post #1475 of 1702
3/13/06 at 10:03am
I also didn't like the reset. For many of the same reasons as others didn't - especially that a lot doesn't make sense.

First of all, the whole tent city thing. This civilization was able to create FTL drives, but they can't even frame up a house?! It was stated that the planet wasn't very hospitable, but come on! They could have easily had a post WW2 era style community where all the houses looked the same, not being fancy, but something certainly more permanent than tents.

They needed to better explain why they didn't have medication, or any kind of defenses. Remember, this is a civilization that is capable of covering vast distances in space - for it to be "smart" writing they have to be smart - why are they now regressed to a point that's even substandard to us? Why are they now - under 2 years of having their home world wiped out - sitting dumb and whiny with no real defenses?

The last half hour can only be redeemed if they spend enough time next season explaining the "missing year". It's possible, and I hope it happens, but this doesn't leave me panting for October.
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post #1476 of 1702
3/13/06 at 10:03am
My prediction is that S3 picks up before the flash forward and we see the missing year leading up to the cliffhanger, then they resolve the cliffhanger about midseason and go from there.

Just a guess.
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post #1477 of 1702
3/13/06 at 10:03am
The best part about the "new direction" of BG is that we can finally spend some time with the Cylons. Maybe we'll actually find out what their "plan" is and how the events of the finale play into that "plan."
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post #1478 of 1702
3/13/06 at 10:12am
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My prediction is that S3 picks up before the flash forward and we see the missing year leading up to the cliffhanger, then they resolve the cliffhanger about midseason and go from there.


IMO, that would be maddening!
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post #1479 of 1702
3/13/06 at 10:19am
One thing I think is interesting about the finale is the choice to destroy Cloud 9.

This ship has been central to so many episodes it will be interesting to see how this changes the social dynamic when they get back into space (assuming they do, of course). That was a pretty bold move, IMO.

My prediction: this will set up Baltar going to live with the Cylons & CapricaSix. When they do get back into space (assuming they do, of course) I don't see a place for him in the fleet.
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post #1480 of 1702
3/13/06 at 10:41am
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I don't see a place for him in the fleet.
Except that there's no hard evidence to back Roslyn's allegations. If she even tried to repeat what she saw to just anyone, she would only sound like a raving lunatic. Only the people the closest to her would believe her.

Baltar will most likely stay with the fleet, but I doubt anyone would even elect him dog catcher after this momumental blunder!

Personally, I'll wait for Moore and his writers to present us with whatever they have planned when October rolls in. They've clearly demonstrated their ability to write highly engaging stories in the last two seasons, breaking almost all the TV show stereotypes that have been shoved down our throats for so many decades.
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post #1481 of 1702
3/13/06 at 10:51am
both good and bad,
OCT is too long off, did have some problems, with the story, but mostly from a military aspect of it, the question about starbuck and tigh, she was just looking for a hook-up and was denied, sorry CYA and move on.
my question is maybe the writers might want to explain if the colonial fleet has a seaman to admiral program, how else do you explain in one year someone goes from, PO2 to LT, or does that not make any difference.

as for blowing up cloud nine, i think it was a signal, that is how it was stated, that the cylons were a light year away and noticed a trace of the thing going off.

agree that some permanent framed buildings should be around , didn't see to many trees though so that could be a problem, ya know, lumber, nails, hammers, sort of need those things.
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post #1482 of 1702
3/13/06 at 11:19am
The whole "they can travel space" argument really doesn't mean that each and every citizen has the innate ability to build houses, create medicine out of thin air and set up a "Post WWII" style set of row homes! We are sufficiently advanced here in the US of A but stick a portion of us on a nearly unihabitable rock and I guarantee we will be happy to have tents and lean-tos after a while, even if we have the wreckage of the ships that brought us there. We are sufficiently advanced as a culture so we DON'T have to do the basic daily survival. These skills are lost among most of the colonials just as they are among us. And the severe lack in raw materials to begin with. I am sure with time they would build something but starting with nothing and with a lousy leader at the top (and striking workers, to boot) means a stagnant mudpit isn't out of the question.
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post #1483 of 1702
3/13/06 at 11:21am
I like what they did. It somehow makes the current season seem complete and the next season full of possibilities. There's nothing wrong with that, IMHO. the scope seems more epic and they have shook things up enough to keep the series from getting stale. Now it is the writers' & producers' responsibility not to screw it up. I hope they succeed.

Regards,
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post #1484 of 1702
3/13/06 at 11:23am
so you are saying sod houses, at the beginning of the next season, can't wait till the rains come!!!
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post #1485 of 1702
3/13/06 at 11:32am
A couple of things now that I have had a couple of days to think about it.

-I think the destruction of Cloud 9 was a mistake. The ship was unique and allowed for a plethura of story lines.

-A resistance makes no sense. If they make too much trouble. They can leave and nuke the place.]

-Still don't like the idea of this one year jump.

-I hope they will discuss that they went back to Caprica or one of the other colonies for supplies or survivors. Everytime, we have seen the humans back on Caprica we have seen them find stuff. Both Boomer & Starbuck went back to their apartments and able find things. I am also sure their are more survivors than just Anders and his group. And survivors are what they need after losing so many in the nuke and from military losses.
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post #1486 of 1702
3/13/06 at 11:35am
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both good and bad,
OCT is too long off, did have some problems, with the story, but mostly from a military aspect of it, the question about starbuck and tigh, she was just looking for a hook-up and was denied, sorry CYA and move on.

Nope. I don't think in any way Kara was looking for a hookup of any kind. Most likely reason is that Anders needs medication, as stated above, and Tigh might have had the pull to get it.

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my question is maybe the writers might want to explain if the colonial fleet has a seaman to admiral program, how else do you explain in one year someone goes from, PO2 to LT, or does that not make any difference.

I think it had to do with Dee being with Lee as well as too few people left on the ships to properly man them. So promote the people who stay voluntarily.
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post #1487 of 1702
3/13/06 at 11:37am
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Remember, this is a civilization that is capable of covering vast distances in space - for it to be "smart" writing they have to be smart - why are they now regressed to a point that's even substandard to us? Why are they now - under 2 years of having their home world wiped out - sitting dumb and whiny with no real defenses?
Just because they come from an advanced civilization doesn't necessarily mean that they can just create an industrial base instantly. They probably should be doing better than tents, but if we assume that most of the ships can't land, then most of the high technology is going to remain in orbit. And even if we assume that there are trees that make useful construction materials (what if the wood rapidly decays after being harvested), it appears that there's an antagonistic relationship between the leaders (Baltar) and the blue collar types (Tyrol). I'm guessing that most of the folks who were starship passengers at the time of the cylon attack are not guys who are good with their hands, whereas the crews have probably had their time split between work on the planet and work in orbit.

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This really is a series reset and I don't like it.
Nah, a series reset would be if things went back to what they were like before. Moore and company have shaken things up, but they haven't gone "back to basics" or simplified things.
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post #1488 of 1702
3/13/06 at 11:50am
think it had to do with Dee being with Lee as well as too few people left on the ships to properly man them. So promote the people who stay voluntarily

OK so as i stated from PO2 or Petty Officer Second Class which ever you prefer which is enlisted by the way to LT or Lieutenant which is officer, now the military does have some programs like that but then schools are involved, and she appears in an ops position like Gaeta. a lot to cram in that one year with people leaveing,
Nice to see that Glactica needs supplys, lights going out
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post #1489 of 1702
3/13/06 at 11:58am
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OK so as i stated from PO2 or Petty Officer Second Class which ever you prefer which is enlisted by the way to LT or Lieutenant which is officer, now the military does have some programs like that but then schools are involved, and she appears in an ops position like Gaeta. a lot to cram in that one year with people leaveing,

I know what you're saying...a lot was crammed into that one year. But with the sheer number of military leaving Galactica and Pegasus, I doubt Lee or Bill had the time to say "woops, Dee never went to class or whatever so we're not going to let her do the job".

That just smacks of being stuck in the old routine. Nice to see they can adapt to the situation.
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post #1490 of 1702
3/13/06 at 12:06pm
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where are Sharon and the two Cavells (gotta love that "I'm not a Cylon! Oh..." scene! ) and other assorted nitpicks


The Brothers Cavel got spaced. The last thing in that scene was Roslin leaving the brig, giving the order to throw them out the airlock.
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post #1491 of 1702
3/13/06 at 12:15pm
but the supply issue is going to be a big one, thank god this isn't trek, having done this for over 20 yrs, let me tell you the priorities change, when you are deployed, and by now most of what they had should begetting used up. lights go out, food unless it is dehydrated, becomes a comity, hell toilet paper and clean laundry alone can change morale among a crew.

now with all of this going for it and the harsh conditions that are on the surface you might ask why go down and take the chance, well its better than living 24 inch's away from your neighbor, where your private space is 6 1/2 ft long, 36 inch's high, 24 inches wide and has a 2 inch foam mattress, at that point after a year most people would be happy in a that waste that they are in.
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post #1492 of 1702
3/13/06 at 12:17pm
Indeed, it makes sense that, without any resources whatsoever, someone from a civilization capable of FTL flight should be able to build a house ten times faster than someone from a modern-day industrialized nation. A Time Lord should be able to do it a million times faster.

But we're not so bad off. Sure, we're not Time Lords, but extrapolating the other direction indicates that, without resources, we should be able to build a two-story, Cape Cod-style house with gingerbread trim about a thousand times faster than, say, a cow.

At least that's what my graph says.

And, really, even though Cloud Nine had all the plants from which they derived all their medicines, what's the point of being capable of FTL flight if you can't make medicine out of mud? Can't these guys just use their tricorders to quickly characterize indigenous plant life to find useful substances, and then use their matter replicators to make all the medicines they need? Nothing could be simpler!

Unless you're a Time Lord.


(Heh. Stupid cows.)
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post #1493 of 1702
3/13/06 at 12:38pm
One of the most ironic things about Season 2 was that the first half was a major struggle in their effort to find earth, with the end of the first half revealing that there was some evidence to support their search.

The finale of the second half, though, really blew that out of the water. They went to all this struggle and effort to find a path to earth and they just end up settling on some rock they find (by accident).
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post #1494 of 1702
3/13/06 at 1:00pm
I guess that an issue with the way they've set up the Series. They wanted to have a scifi series were the society was capable of Huge starships and FTL travel, yet still have them Shooting projectile weapons, wearing shirts and ties , and having about year 2006 level technology, except for the fancy flying ships. In the original they had the Lasers and usual sci fi trappings. So even if the new BG has the Wagon's with Intersteller Engines the Tech is definately low tech, kinda leads to some clashes
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post #1495 of 1702
3/13/06 at 1:24pm
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This civilization was able to create FTL drives, but they can't even frame up a house?! It was stated that the planet wasn't very hospitable, but come on! They could have easily had a post WW2 era style community where all the houses looked the same, not being fancy, but something certainly more permanent than tents.

If you're referring to Levittowns, keep in mind that those didn't start appearing until '47 or so. In the first few years after the war, America had a major housing shortage brought on by the fact that new home construction had been stagnant throughout the Depression and war. Returning troops and their families often ended up moving back with their parents, or sharing quonset huts with other veterans.

Now, I grant that manufacturing quonset huts should be within the capability of the fleet (they just mined a huge asteriod a few episodes back, and we know Pegasus has a factory of some sort), but a full on Levittown isn't, unless there's a major forest near the settlement and they have a lot of lumberjacks.
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post #1496 of 1702
3/13/06 at 2:24pm
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Baltar? That's the platform he won with, so after winning he signs the order. A week, a month, six months goes by with no Cylons, and at that point, how do you stop people from going to the planet? Baltar doesn't have to make it happen, he just has to not try and stop it.
Sorry for the late response; I just noticed your reply when combing through the thread.
How do you stop people from going to the planet a mere SIX MONTHS after your last Cylon sighting? How do you stop people from going to the the planet less than two years after the human species was virtually wiped out in a surprise attack? Adama's too smart to let let his military fall apart so soon. Baltar HAD to have intervened. He let Tigh go only because the military was already hopeless.
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post #1497 of 1702
3/13/06 at 2:37pm
The Sky is Falling!,The Sky is Falling!

Personally,I have no problem with the one year jump ahead..I thought it was a great way to establish the fact that they were without any cylon contact for a year & the majority of them had dropped thier guard & had a false sence of thinking the cylon threat was over.

As for the point of them still living in tents etc
I think that may be why the union is so pissed off..perhaps Baltar has them ,instead of trying to better thier living conditions ..working on something else...What ? is anyones guess ...But after listening to the chief's speech ,thats what came into my mind.
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post #1498 of 1702
3/13/06 at 3:03pm
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How do you stop people from going to the the planet less than two years after the human species was virtually wiped out in a surprise attack?
Two years? Why not five? Why not forty? (How long were the Cylons gone before the mini?) Seems pretty arbitrary. Maybe the military was more useful down on the planet, growing trees to build those missing houses, and improving nutrition so that babies' growth is not stunted. I just don't have a big problem with the situation; as long as it's not implausible, the writers should choose the most interesting one.
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post #1499 of 1702
3/13/06 at 3:16pm
Gordon brings up a great point. Could we sit through a year's worth of episodes with no cylon sightings? You think the complaining is loud now? Even if they did it in 4-6 episodes, that's 1/3 or 1/2 of one of BSG's mini-seasons. The lack of cylon contact was important to the plot direction they've taken, and the jump-ahead was necessary, or we all would've tuned out.
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post #1500 of 1702
3/13/06 at 3:20pm
A co-worker brought up a good point today: Why would they settle on a planet, knowing there were Cylons among them? Indeed, Dean Stockwell had just revealed himself, and we know there are more. Wouldn't they be concerned that the Cylons in their midst would find a way to contact the Cylon fleet?
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