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post #241 of 407
6/16/07 at 1:12am

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

Yes, although I don't agree with the PG-13 decision I do understand where the studio is coming from.

It makes me realize that while I'm angry with Fox for not having the balls to let McClane keep his own testicles, in part I'm also angry with the general public for being the bunch of moronic pussies that are causing the decline of adult cinema in the first place.
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post #242 of 407
6/16/07 at 8:05am

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

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Originally Posted by Zack Gibbs
Yes, although I don't agree with the PG-13 decision I do understand where the studio is coming from.
You disagree with the MPAA's rating decision?

People seem to keep missing the point that apparently the creators/producers had NO MANDATE FROM FOX TO SHOOT FOR PG-13. They shot the script they had written and the resulting film was rated PG-13 by the MPAA.

Are they supposed to go back and loop in a bunch of swearing that wasn't deemed necessary just to get an "R"?
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post #243 of 407
6/16/07 at 8:17am

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I don't believe that for a second.
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post #244 of 407
6/16/07 at 8:43am

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Originally Posted by Inspector Hammer!
And once again I ask, as far as I can see the Saw, Hostel and Hills Have Eyes films target the same audience as Live Free or Die Hard and those films are most decidedly hard R's, so what exactly is the point and reasoning in giving an ACTION film, where gut wrenching gore and terror ISN'T the emphesis, a PG-13 rating while blood-soaked HORROR films get R's and that's considered okay by the studio?

How do you figure that this fourth installment is targetted at the same audience as SAW, etc? I'm interested in this fourth installment and I have zero desire to watch shit like SAW or Hostel. I'm sure there are lots of other people out there that feel the same way.

Also I don't get your reasoning in regards to an action film being rated PG-13 while a gorefest gets rated R. Maybe the ratings board didn't see anything in the cut of LForDH that warranted an R rating while the same couldn't be said of any of the horror pictures that you have used as examples.

Anyway, it seems that neither the producing studio nor the filmmakers shot for a PG-13 rating. The MPAA, in all its wisdom, assigned that rating based on whatever criteria they have in place.

On another subject. This seeming need to include the phrase "yipee-ki-yi motherfucker" in every installment is bad. In the first film it made sense because it grew out of the character's requirement to get under the skin of his opponent. It also grew, naturally, out of the exchange about cowboys that took place between Gruber and McClane. Making it an obligatory catchphrase that has to be said because fans are expecting it is a bad reason to include it in every other film. The phrase, without some contextual meaning, just becomes some enforced cliche. In fact, the really daring act would be to not include it at all in this film.
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post #245 of 407
6/16/07 at 12:38pm

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

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Originally Posted by Malcolm R
You disagree with the MPAA's rating decision?

People seem to keep missing the point that apparently the creators/producers had NO MANDATE FROM FOX TO SHOOT FOR PG-13. They shot the script they had written and the resulting film was rated PG-13 by the MPAA.

Are they supposed to go back and loop in a bunch of swearing that wasn't deemed necessary just to get an "R"?

I'm not sure where you're getting this impression. It's been confirmed that the studio dictated the movie would be rated PG-13 early on in production. All this talk of them "shooting for an R rating" is technically true, I'm sure they've been planning the R-rated DVD for some time. They also shot for a PG-13 knowing full well that would be released in theaters.
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post #246 of 407
6/16/07 at 1:07pm

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

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Originally Posted by Zack Gibbs
I'm not sure where you're getting this impression. It's been confirmed that the studio dictated the movie would be rated PG-13 early on in production. All this talk of them "shooting for an R rating" is technically true, I'm sure they've been planning the R-rated DVD for some time. They also shot for a PG-13 knowing full well that would be released in theaters.

I believe it was Bruce Willis himself who said that they shot the script as written and they received a PG-13. He mentioned that if the first "Die Hard" were released today, it probably would've been rated PG-13 with maybe the Takagi death a little less gory.
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post #247 of 407
6/16/07 at 1:14pm

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Originally Posted by DavidPla
I believe it was Bruce Willis himself who said that they shot the script as written and they received a PG-13.
Yep.

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I'm not sure where you're getting this impression. It's been confirmed that the studio dictated the movie would be rated PG-13 early on in production.
I'm not sure where you're getting this impression. I've never heard of it until now.
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post #248 of 407
6/16/07 at 1:49pm

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

Bruce Willis brought it up in the Vanity Fair article:


http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32511/


"I really wanted this one to live up to the promise of the first one, which I always thought was the only really good one. That's a studio decision that is becoming more and more common, because they're trying to reach a broader audience. It seems almost a courageous move to give a picture an R rating these days. But we still made a pretty hardcore, smashmouth film."
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post #249 of 407
6/16/07 at 2:11pm

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What i'm saying is that teens undeniably love horror films and they also love action films, the same audience that sees those R rated horror films is the same as the audience that will go see LFoDH, that's all.

If they go see blood and guts torture films like those that are rated R, and they do do well enough to warrent countless sequels so people are going to see them, than I see no reason to give LFoDH an R when all it would have had was more shootout-related bloodshed and some swear words.
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post #250 of 407
6/16/07 at 2:25pm

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

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Originally Posted by DavidPla
I believe it was Bruce Willis himself who said that they shot the script as written and they received a PG-13. He mentioned that if the first "Die Hard" were released today, it probably would've been rated PG-13 with maybe the Takagi death a little less gory.

The interrupted office workers sex?
The f-bombs?
The other terrorist shootings?

No, "Die Hard" would still be an 'R'.
"Die Hard 2" borders on 'NC-17'!
"With a Vengeance" is an 'R' for most of the same reasons as the first, minus the sex and add Sam Jackson's constant f-bombs.
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post #251 of 407
6/16/07 at 2:33pm

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Just the idea that people in this thread think they shot for an R and the MPAA just happened to give them a PG-13 is dumbfounding to me. We've been discussing the rating for two months now since the Vanity Fair article broke the news. Two months ago the movie wasn't even finished, the MPAA hadn't anything to do with it and likely hadn't seen a single frame. Studios and directors and editors aren't this naive, they know damn well when they strategically place the use of the word "fuck" what rating they're aiming for.

Sigh,

Anyways, Inspector Hammer, you seem to be confusing the audiences for these movies. An action flick like DH4 is aimed at a much larger audience than Hostel or Saw. They might be the same ages but theres more to it than just age. As said before those horror movies are very inexpensive to make (compared to DH) and therefore considered to be successful with much smaller grosses at the box office. Die Hard 4 could make twice what any one of those films made and would still be considered a large failure.
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post #252 of 407
6/16/07 at 3:05pm

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I suppose maybe I am, Zack.

It's just that as a long time fan of this series it's hard to stomach this decision to rate it PG-13. A DH film without violence and vulgarities is like a SW film without Lightsabers or ships.
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post #253 of 407
6/16/07 at 3:21pm

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I'm right there with you Inspector. Still, I've resigned myself to having to see it. I mean hell, it's a DIE HARD movie.
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post #254 of 407
6/16/07 at 4:10pm

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I've said it before but I'm worried about the PG-13 rating but I'm willing to wait until I see the movie to decide if it's good or bad. The two trailers that I've seen look great and if it's a cool movie and they don't say 'fuck' or gouge out an eye with an icicle, I'll still be happy.
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post #255 of 407
6/16/07 at 4:29pm

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

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Originally Posted by Zack Gibbs
I'm also angry with the general public for being the bunch of moronic pussies that are causing the decline of adult cinema in the first place.

That's a great line and one I agree with wholeheartedly.
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post #256 of 407
6/16/07 at 6:05pm

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Ya know, when it boils down i'm more concerned about the lack of language than I am the violence, McClane swears his ass off, that's the way he is, so like I said before the sudden lack of F bombs is actually going to cause a departure from the character itself.
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post #257 of 407
6/16/07 at 6:44pm

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

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Originally Posted by Zack Gibbs
in part I'm also angry with the general public for being the bunch of moronic pussies that are causing the decline of adult cinema in the first place.

I don't know if it's the general public asking for PG-13 action movies. "300" is the fourth highest grossing film of the year so far and if the new "Die Hard" made close to those numbers, it would be the biggest in the franchise history.
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post #258 of 407
6/16/07 at 7:33pm

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Originally Posted by DavidPla
I don't know if it's the general public asking for PG-13 action movies. "300" is the fourth highest grossing film of the year so far and if the new "Die Hard" made close to those numbers, it would be the biggest in the franchise history.
In all fairness, I think 300 did as good as it did because it had a very unique visual look. If it was just a regular live action movie, I think the general public would have viewed it as more of a Gladiator clone and it wouldn't have been as big of a hit.
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post #259 of 407
6/20/07 at 8:56am

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

Looks like its going to be "Yippee Kay Ay Mother Fu-GUNSHOT" according to this review...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33072
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post #260 of 407
6/20/07 at 1:04pm

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If thats true its the lamest thing I've read in awhile. I can just see half the audience letting out a giant "booo" during that moment since its going to draw so much attention to what they did to get the rating.
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post #261 of 407
6/20/07 at 1:35pm

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Yippee Kay Ay to the franchise.
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post #262 of 407
6/20/07 at 2:04pm

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Dear lord did they completely castrate Die Hard or what!?

You know what? Screw it, Transformers is going to kick this films ass into complete oblivion anyway, that's the film i'm most looking foreward to, I never thought for a single second that the day would come when I wouldn't be excited by a new DH film.
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post #263 of 407
6/20/07 at 2:49pm

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

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Originally Posted by DavidPla
Looks like its going to be "Yippee Kay Ay Mother Fu-GUNSHOT" according to this review...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33072


That just sealed the deal for me. I will not go see this "pussified" version of Die Hard at the theater.
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post #264 of 407
6/20/07 at 3:52pm

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

Still looks like a good action movie to me. Just call it Live Free or Die if it bothers you so much.
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post #265 of 407
6/20/07 at 4:15pm

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More like Live Greedy or Die Hardly.
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post #266 of 407
6/20/07 at 4:24pm

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It doesn't make any sense to me; You can say fuck twice in a PG-13 movie. Why would they willingly censor themselves?
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post #267 of 407
6/20/07 at 4:28pm

Re: Die Hard 4 in the works.

I think 'motherfucker' is considered R rated material. How can adding 'mother' to 'fuck' suddenly make the word worse? Ask the MPAA.

EDIT: I know virtually no one will agree with me but I see this movie in a similar vein as Land Of The Dead (for example). I saw that in the theater knowing damn well that the R rated cut was not Romero's preferred version of the movie. I considered it a warmup for the the 'real' version's DVD release.

As I've said over and over, I think the movie looks good and I'm willing to see it before saying that it's good or bad.
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post #268 of 407
6/20/07 at 6:02pm

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I'll let you be the guinea pig on this one, Travis, since we have very similar taste in movies and TV. If you go see it and think it's worthy of the Die Hard name I might end up checking it out in the theater, but most likely I'll just wait for the unrated(hopefully) DVD.
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post #269 of 407
6/21/07 at 7:38am

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Nah, No thanks for me. When I think of a Die Hard film, I see Takagi's brains spattered on a pane of glass, I see knee caps being blown apart, McClaine ardously pulling pieces of glass out of his bloody foot, the balls to crash a plane on X-Mas Eve with 100+ Passengers, an Icicle to a guy's eye, a military guy not aware of the plan getting his throat cut, a guy sucked into a jet engine, McClaine being forced to wear a "I Hate N****** sign in Harlem, a guard being mercilessly cut up by a female assassin, brains blown out in an elevator, a guy severed in half by a crane cable and God Damn it, F-Bombs every thirty seconds. Obviously most of this will be absent from a PG-13 film.

I'm sure McClaine has kicked his smoking habit by now as well.

Unless word of mouth is really good on this, I could probably just wait for DVD on this. I hope this PG-13 crap really backfires on this one.
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post #270 of 407
6/21/07 at 7:55am

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Am I the only one that thinks this movie is going to be an embarassment to the series (based on the trailer). The first Die Hard was great and started a genre because it was placing a flawed everyman in extraordinary circumstances (not a new concept) and becoming the hero that saves the day. In other words, you could really relate with his character and virtually see yourself in his position.

The two sequels drifted farther and farther away from this concept leading up to the new one which looks like it's going to consist of a series of insane stunts and explosions. I was laughing when I saw the scene of a car flying through the air and crashing into a helicopter.

I really wanted to see this, but unless somebody changes my mind, this is moving into the rental category.
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