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post #1 of 56
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Major Dundee : Anyone shed light on missing 45-55 minutes cut from original theatrical release? I came across this information while reading a book on Charlton Heston ( Charlton Heston's Hollywood ).
Sam Peckinpah ( director ) ended up cutting out 44 minutes
-possibly 55- from the film in order to satisfy Columbia Pictures.The director's cut that Peckinpah assembled for an advanced screening - which was never shown - ran for 2 hours and 41 minutes. Mr. Peckinpah was qouted as saying it was possibly the best picture he had made in his life.
To quote a line from the book: " Major Dundee could have been what The Wild Bunch became:a film that lifted the Western to a new level of creative potential.It was not to be.Major Dundee was released in April 1965,and came in for heavy criticism.Critics called it "bewildering" and lamented the "poorly edited footage".The reviewers,not knowing what had been going on behind-the-scenes at Columbia,ascribed the film's problems to the shortcomings of its director."
Wouldn't it be great to see it fully restored on DVD? The problem is that the cut footage is probably long gone.
post #2 of 56
I'd like to see it fully restored because the movie as it is just falls apart completely in the second half with sub plots that abruptly stop cold and supporting characters who just disappear it seems like.

In the meantime though Columbia, release the film on DVD so I can get rid of my LD!
post #3 of 56
I didn't know that Peckinpah had to cut it down so much, but that does explain the uneveness of the film.
post #4 of 56

Major Dundee - The 'Extended Cut' coming in 2005!

Caught this snippet in this interesting interview between Robert A. Harris and Grover Crisp (the Vice President of Asset Management and Film Restoration for Sony Pictures Entertainment) over at The Bits.

RAH: ...If you can find the time, it might be instructive to discuss several of your other projects. For now, I'm sure the question that's going to be asked on HTF is "When is Major Dundee going to come out on DVD?"

GC: We are rapidly approaching completion of the restoration and will transfer it in HD in the next two months. Incidentally, I screened a work-in-progress print for about half a dozen of the top Peckinpah scholars just three days ago and they were really enthusiastic about it, both the quality of the work and the version we have. It is not, technically, a director's cut, of course, since the director is not with us, but we have put back scenes that they had only heard about before, including from Peckinpah himself, and had never seen. The release for the new DVD looks to be around June of 2005. It will be preceded by a theatrical release, beginning in April in New York.


I am flabbergasted. I had presumed many of the missing scenes to have been long since lost; I wonder if they'll keep the voice-over narration?
post #5 of 56
Wow! Excellent news I didn't even know this was being worked on. Can't wait.
post #6 of 56
This is astounding news, considering the Warner/Peckinpah re-releases and box set planned for next year. Now all they need are decent releases for "The Deadly Companions", "Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia" (I think MGM owns it), "Cross of Iron" and "Convoy" to complete Peckinpah's filmography on DVD.
post #7 of 56
This is great news indeed! And the fact that Sony is talking with Peckinpah scholars seems to point to a special DVD edition. Maybe Charlton Heston can participate. He had some great stories about Peckinpah and the filmin his autobiography (and he stood by Peckinpah, just like he stood by Orson Wells on TOUCH OF EVIL when Columbia wanted to fire him)

I read a thread in another forum that essentially said, after Star Wars, what's left; how can you top 2004 as a year for DVD releases? Well, 2005 is promising the Warner Peckinpah box, restored versions of FISTFULL OF DOLLARS, FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE and DUCK YOU SUCKER, KING KONG, THE LOVED ONE, the Val Lewton box, and now MAJOR DUNDEE. Bring on the new year!

ps. It's not that I'm greedy, but could we also have the complete WESTERNER on DVD next year?
post #8 of 56
I'd order it right now if I could. Just watched it again the other night on the Westerns channel (sadly pan & scan) and I can't wait.
post #9 of 56
News of the year ! No more, no less.
post #10 of 56
This news has made my week! Amazing. I never dreamed that any of the lost footage would turn up. Bravo, Mr Columbia!
post #11 of 56
Glenn Erikson, DVD Savant over at dvdtalk.com, fleshes out some of what's contained in those missing scenes:

"The restored scenes reportedly cover such essential material as Richard Harris' escape from the Fort Benlin prison (the short cut we've all seen does a poor job of establishing that Fort Benlin is a prison) and the eventual fate of the Indian guide Riago. Everybody talks about Riago in the short cut but he remains mostly a mystery."
post #12 of 56
This is fantastic news! I always hoped that Colombia would seek out those missing chunks from the film. I can't wait til June.


I read a thread in another forum that essentially said, after Star Wars, what's left


Sadly, a similar thread was here on HTF a few months ago. I grew up with & love the original Star Wars films but c'mon there's so much more in film to be interested in. To each his/her own I guess.
post #13 of 56

MAJOR DUNDEE script on CD-ROM on DVD?

Hi all,
does anyone want to see the complete MAJOR DUNDEE script as a CD-ROM extra w/expert commentary on the forthcoming DVD?

S Andersson
SWEDEN
post #14 of 56

"Major Dundee" - Extended Cut - May 31st!

Columbia will be releasing Major Dundee - Extended Cut on 5/31 for $19.95. The running time is 136 minutres but no other specs available yet. It is up for pre-order at DVD Empire.
post #15 of 56
And it's screening -- at least in L.A. -- at the NuArt on April 15 (I think) for a week. I'm so there.
post #16 of 56
I understood that there will be a completely NEW music score, as an alternative on the DVD.

Wonder if it will be in the theatrical version?
post #17 of 56
MINE!
post #18 of 56
Ho-ho-ho! [Rubs hands together]

A real treat from Columbia. I take my hat off to them.
post #19 of 56
The theatrical re-issue in April will be with the new score.
post #20 of 56
I'm surprised there is still no mention of who is the composer of the new score for "Dundee" Will the DVD have both scores?
post #21 of 56
The score is by composer Christopher Caliendo. He'll be appearing at the Film Forum opening night screening.

The DVD will have both scores.

www.christophercaliendo.com
post #22 of 56
DVD Answers has artwork and details here for the May slate of Columbia westerns (and Diamond Head) including Major Dundee:

Columbia Tristar Home Entertainment has announced first time releases of Banjo Hackett: Roamin' Free which stars Don Meredith and Jeff Corey, Diamond Head which stars Charlton Heston, Gun Fury which stars Donna Reed and Rock Hudson, a new 136 minute extended cut of Sam Peckinpah's Major Dundee with Charlton Heston and Richard Harris, and lastly Texas Cyclone starring Tim McCoy. Each will be available to own from the 31st May this year, priced at around $19.94. As far as we know, each will be featureless.
post #23 of 56
I think it would be a sin if Major Dundee didn't have extras, as there is SO MUCH to talk about! I was hoping that both version would be included, but what the heck.
post #24 of 56
Now this is interesting. The link above gives no indication of any extras on the Major Dundee DVD. But in another conversation between Robert Harris and Columbia's Grover Crisp - a fascinating insight you'll find here - it seems there are a whole slew of extras in the offing:

GC: There will be about an hour of added value footage: outtakes, the deleted scene mentioned, the original trailer, a newly-created Extended Version trailer narrated by L.Q. Jones, an essay about the making and unmaking of the film, art stills, posters, commentaries, an extended excerpt from a documentary on Peckinpah, some additional shots deleted from scenes that are in the film, a featurette in both black and white and color, additional promo reel surviving fragments.

RAH: Two different featurettes?

GC: No. There was a featurette made at the time of production called Riding for a Fall, which was basically about the stuntmen and their activities. It unfortunately no longer exists in 35mm, only in 16mm black and white reduction. It is certainly interesting and has some behind-the-scenes shots of the crew and their camera set-ups. We managed to locate a color version which is, believe it or not, only in 8mm, so naturally not in as good a shape as the 16mm. But we thought it interesting to put both on the disc anyway. It adds more value.


Looks like a brilliant presentation! And, if you read the whole interview, is Crisp saying both versions are on the disc, or are the new scenes integrated via seamless branching?
post #25 of 56
Here is more from the same interview

Quote:
RAH: I commend you for taking the initiative to get this film re-scored, since the old one was rather notorious for its inappropriateness. But there might also be some potential criticism for having created this new soundtrack.

GC: This was not a decision made lightly. This just happens to be a very unique situation, a set of circumstances where we have the documented proof that would even support an idea like this. And this is not something I think purists - of which I am one, by the way - should worry will become a commonplace thing in the future. That, I couldn't imagine, and I certainly can't think of another title within the Sony library that would fit this circumstance. One reason I have always insisted that this cannot be called a director's cut is because it isn't. On the other hand, the original short version wasn't the director's cut, either, and for the very reasons that we have attempted to correct with both picture and sound. So, in the end, which version is closer to the director's intentions with this particular film and closer to the achievements of his later career path, which are clearly traceable? I think the answer is there for people to decide on their own because we never envisioned replacing the original score and soundtrack without also making the original available at the same time.

RAH: So, you mean both tracks will be on the DVD?

GC: Absolutely. People can debate the ethics or aesthetics of our decision, which is good, but it would have been irresponsible and, I think, unfair to ignore the original soundtrack's existence, which is why it is on the disc. Consumers can watch the film whichever way they choose. Remember, the original soundtrack has been preserved and restored to the best quality available and will always be around. And if theaters want to run prints with the original mono track, we can provide that. Another point I should make, and this is very important, is that the new soundtrack is only for the new Extended Version of the film. The original short released version of the film from 1965 still retains, and always will, the original mono soundtrack with the original music score, unchanged. That is what that film was and is. The new music score was composed specifically for the Extended Version, a version not previously released or seen, which is why it is so unique. I think these are important aspects to keep in mind. But if people, after listening to both, don't immediately see the validation of what we were trying to achieve, I will be greatly surprised. The new soundtrack is that good.
post #26 of 56
my concern is, is the new score will be a "modern" like score, or more true to scores made during the era, (1960's)? A modern music score with a huge orchestra or with electronic score would be wrong, so I am hoping they will try to come with a score that would have been scored in 1965.
post #27 of 56
The fidelty in the new score is surely going to be 'different' - I don't say 'better', as sound engineering, recording, mixing and playback are arts that were mastered decades ago and we are no better for digital recording, as far as my ears are concerned. Did you know that 3M are about to stop making magnetic tape? Madness.
post #28 of 56
Major Dundee has been delayed; DVD Times has the skinny here; note the comment that Amazon now has the release date as August...
post #29 of 56
A review has been posted at Salon...

A few extracts below; please go to Salon.com to read the entire piece.
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"Major Dundee: The Extended Version"
Sam Peckinpah's 1965 western starring Charlton Heston and Richard Harris gets the full lost-masterpiece treatment.

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By Stephanie Zacharek

April 6, 2005 *| When we talk about a lost masterpiece, we're usually thinking of, or at least hoping for, a treasure that exists somewhere in a close-to-perfect form, if only we could find it. With movies, it's almost never that easy.

"Major Dundee," Sam Peckinpah's first large-scale western, is a lost masterpiece of the imagination. When it was released, in 1965, the picture was rejected by critics and audiences alike, but not because Peckinpah had fallen down on the job. The picture was beset by problems from the start: Its studio, Columbia, cut its budget by a third before filming had even begun. And beyond the fact that certain key scenes were never even shot, the picture was taken from Peckinpah and cut by some 20 to 50 minutes before its release. As it was originally seen, "Major Dundee" had some baffling gaps, and historically, it has been treated as a potentially great picture and a frustrating disappointment.

Sony Pictures has at last redressed -- or attempted to redress -- the sins of its corporate fathers by restoring as much as possible of Peckinpah's original cut and commissioning a new score -- a fine one, by Christopher Caliendo -- more in keeping with the spirit of the picture. "Major Dundee: The Extended Version" -- which opens Friday in New York at Film Forum, and April 15 in Los Angeles and Boston, to be followed by stints in other major cities thereafter -- isn't the model of clarity that Peckinpah fans may be hoping for.

But the flaws of "Major Dundee" don't begin to nag at you until after the fact: As the picture unfolds, for the first hour at least, it has the look and feel of a masterpiece -- it's a picture rushing toward something, and despite the grave disappointment that it never quite gets there, you never doubt you're in the presence of greatness.

The common wisdom about westerns -- at least among people who have never actually seen one -- is that they're all about action and not at all about character development or human relationships. Tell that to Anthony Mann, Budd Boetticher or Howard Hawks, who made '50s westerns that revealed the underlying tensions and anxieties of an incredibly complicated era. And Peckinpah, who made the greatest westerns of the '60s, is best known (and often conveniently dismissed) for the balletic violence of his movies, but he's really all about relationships. Maybe that's why the failings of "Major Dundee" are so frustrating -- the battle sequences, particularly the climactic clash between Dundee's raggedy men and a dazzling brigade of French lancers, are as beautifully executed as you'd expect from Peckinpah. It's the love story -- and I'm talking about the one between Dundee and Tyreen -- that's disappointingly soft and shapeless.

Then again, maybe that's where the real value of "Major Dundee: The Extended Version" lies -- in the way it forces us to confront the conflict between the movie in front of us and the movie we wish we were seeing. Not even this extended version is the picture Peckinpah intended, a fact that those who restored it (beautifully, by the way) freely admit: In the press notes for the movie's Film Forum release, Sony's Grover Crisp speaks of having created "a longer and, hopefully, more authentic version of the film." This extended "Major Dundee" is, he notes, "an attempt to restore a film that was never really completed, and for which there can never be any truly definitive version."

Since "Major Dundee" was so heavily compromised from the very start -- and even this new version is still missing original footage -- we can assume that what we're seeing isn't even close to the picture Peckinpah had originally meant to make. But at the very least, this extended version gives us a chance to bask in the magnificence that is there.

And then there's the look of the thing: Shot by Sam Leavitt in a palette of dusty grays and muted sand tones, "Major Dundee" features so many gorgeous compositions that it's easy to lose yourself in them. The landscapes in the picture are so vital they practically breathe, yet they never detract from the actors. And both Heston and Harris easily live up to the beauty of those landscapes.

Even though the material lets Heston down in the second half, in the first half, he's a repository of thorny masculinity, someone whose secrets we want to know. What has broken him? And why is he so driven to fight this particular enemy? Heston is stunningly handsome here, a dusty sun god of the West, and Peckinpah and his camera are wholly alive to his masculine beauty. (It's also important to note that, when the studio threatened to pull the plug on "Major Dundee," Heston paid back his own salary so some crucial missing scenes could be shot. The studio took the money and failed to film the scenes, but Heston's actions stand as a testament to his commitment to the picture, and to Peckinpah.)
post #30 of 56
DVD Savant's view (like the review above, not the DVD but the Extended Cut's theatrical presentation) is here. Snippet:

"Perhaps because it is an unfinished, killed-in-the-womb masterpiece with a marvelous script of great potential, Major Dundee is Savant's favorite movie. With this Extended Version release, I'm hoping that its admirer base will grow larger and that more Sam Peckinpah fans will see it for what it is - surely not the writer/director's best work, but the one closest to his personal vision and political philosophy."
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