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post #181 of 819

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Originally Posted by Guy Foulard
Looks like it will be three sets, total 12 discs which is enough to hold all the episodes all releasing on September 20th. Price 35 euros per set. All up for pre-order on Amazon.fr

I'll drop a line to Tony over at Xploitedcinema.com to hopefully carry this for US fans who don't want to go to the trouble of importing ourselves (and risking getting a damaged set and having to ship it back).
For anyone not familar with Tony or Xploited, his service is second to none and his prices are generally very reasonable.
post #182 of 819

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Paul,

Thanks for that "reminder" post aboit Xploitedcinema.com. I had forgotten a while back to link that in my "favorites" menu. I plan on waiting a little while for a possible R1 announcement but not too long.
post #183 of 819

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Those cover pictures for the three volumes in France:







Harry
post #184 of 819

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Originally Posted by Guy Foulard
Sacre Bleu! Looks like it's coming out in France, too! The entire series, in three boxed sets, listed as Les Envahisseurs.

I just read this on Roobarb's DVD Forum (their focus is British TV shows, mainly):

Quoting from that post:
This is being released by TF1. The good news is that it will feature the original soundtrack, as well as a French dub, and that subtitles are optional on ALL language tracks...no forced French subs!

or at least that's what French Inavders fans have been told.

Cover art is up on Amazon.fr

Looks like it will be three sets, total 12 discs which is enough to hold all the episodes all releasing on September 20th. Price 35 euros per set. All up for pre-order on Amazon.fr


That was from me.

Yes, the entire original series is due out in France on 20th September. It is spread out across three sets of four discs each. All are available for pre-order on Amazon.fr (remember, your Amazon account will work on any Amazon site - except Amazon Japan) so it is easy to order these, even though all the order pages and things will be in French. Just press the usual buttons :-)

I cannot guarantee the bit about French subs, but the information I have (from an Invaders fan in France who has enquired about it) - you will be able to listen to the original English with no subtitles.

One thing to be aware of though, is that there *may* be alterations to the opening titles, in that the famous "The Invaders" sequence might have been changed to French (as the episode titles may). It will depend on whether they were willing to abandon the original and spend money to replace them, possibly with identical animated titles, possibly with new static ones.

The original titles are quite complex and of course each one is unique with it's "in this weeks episode" style...so they may be untouched.

The French release of THE AVENGERS was altered; not only the DVD sets sold under the French name of "Chapeau Melon et Bottes de Cuir" (Bowler Hats and Leather Boots!), but the actual in-show titles were changed to read that also...and the episode titles were also changed to French ones.

However, if the UK release turns sour, then it;s better to have the whole series with a few minor changes than nothing.

Incidentally, the Zeta Minor Forums (Roobarb's) caters for all tastes. There is a specific section for British titles, to be sure - and one for Doctor Who come to that - but there's an Other Titles section for non-British productions, and that is just as active...
post #185 of 819

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Originally Posted by Richard_Gregory
Incidentally, the Zeta Minor Forums (Roobarb's) caters for all tastes. There is a specific section for British titles, to be sure - and one for Doctor Who come to that - but there's an Other Titles section for non-British productions, and that is just as active...

Hi Richard--yes, of course Roobarb's is not only for British TV, but for Americans with multi-region dvd players, it's a helpful introduction to a world of good archival tv they wouldn't encounter otherwise.

Like you said, it's unpredictable what you'll get with French dvd releases. I've got all the Chapeau Melon sets, and only the Tara King series has the French titles. I believe the TFI release of the New Avengers had non-removable French subs.
post #186 of 819

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Originally Posted by Guy Foulard

Like you said, it's unpredictable what you'll get with French dvd releases. I've got all the Chapeau Melon sets, and only the Tara King series has the French titles. I believe the TFI release of the New Avengers had non-removable French subs.

Indeed it did.

I suspect that it may tie into whether there's a French language track - apparently The Invaders (which is popular in France) has a dubbed French track, so French subs would seem redundant, excluding purists who wish to listen to the original English but who only speak French!

In any case, if the UK release turns out to be something other than what we hope for, I will be buying one of the French sets promptly, and letting you all know about any alterations...if any...
post #187 of 819

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Richard,
Thanks for the French set "buy if the UK set isn't what we hope" purchase in advance I might also have to go that route but I'll wait for your word on the UK set. I haven't bought any sets from (outside U.S.) sites other than AMA UK and the Aust site EZDVD. In either case, I'm sure glad that I went "Region-Free" a couple of years ago.
post #188 of 819

LE ENHAHISSEURS!!!!!

A French edition DVD collection of THE INVADERS was originally announced well over a year ago for an (then) impending December 2006 release date.

This particular three part set is being produced by TF-1 Video licensed through Paramount Picture-CBS Television Home Entertainment and the packaging design may not be reflective of the Paramount-CBS release in the U.K. on September 17th, 2007.

The fact that THE INVADERS is being distributed to a substantial European market attests to this enduring 1960s SF tv classic's worldwide popularity...not just something that is localized to North America!

This is as good an indication that a North American DVD is now imminent likely some time in 2008 (possibly the Summer or Fall the latest).

There are no copyright issues involved that would account for a delay stateside as Paramount-CBS owns this tv property free-and-clear. So it is just a matter of having both faith and patience on this.

Paramount has already committed itself to a number of tv series DVD releases and its scheduling over here is far more cluttered and bogged down than it is overseas to be sure! Tastes here tend to be somewhat more on the broader side (and not necessarily for the best shows).

THE INVADERS is a real prestigious tv property with a lot of stature and class attached to it and I strongly feel that it is also an excellent basis for a comtemporary feature film or television series revival (with the right creative and acting talents behind it).

Jeff T.
post #189 of 819

Re: LE ENHAHISSEURS!!!!!

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Originally Posted by JeffT.
There are no copyright issues involved that would account for a delay stateside as Paramount-CBS owns this tv property free-and-clear. So it is just a matter of having both faith and patience on this.

Indeed, although this may not mean that they have the rights to release the show on "home video". This is a recurring problem with older shows, in that studios may have broadcast rights, but that is a quite different thing. New shows, home video rights are written into contracts right from the start. But shows of the vintage of The Invaders, home video wasn't even a gleam in someone's eye.

This means that the studio has to go back and get permissions and agree royalties to everyone involved - or quite possibly their estates. Not just actors, but the people who wrote the music...etc etc. And any one of them can withold that permission and put the whole thing on hold.

The classic example is The Six Million Dollar Man, which is held up in the USA because (as I recall) the holding studio didn't retain the concept rights from the novel "Cyborg" by Martin Caidin. No such problem here in the UK however.
post #190 of 819

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Richard,

Exactly (your example 6M$M/BW series). As for the Invaders, I haven't heard of any legal conflict or R1 legal issues, so hopefully we'll be getting this one soon after you all over there. The big decision I have to go through, is...."To Buy or not to Buy" (the R2 S1 set) , since we don't know when or if the R1 is coming. That's what makes this hobby (TV/DVD).....a "character-builder" for patience
post #191 of 819

INVADERS VIDEOS!!!!!

If there were any kind of inherent rights issues with THE INVADERS (especially literary domain) then this tv property wouldn't even be released in the U.K....which at this moment is still suspect for want of anything definite or tangible to substantiate it!

All indications are very positive for even though THE INVADERS is scheduled to be marketed abroad (at least in France with reasonable certainty) the home office in the U.S. is most definitely calling all the shots on this.

A North American DVD release of THE INVADERS has been under consideration as early as 2001 at this time the "insider" intelligence made no mention of any legal problems that stood in the way.

People have talked to both Larry Cohen and Dominic Frontiere and neither has made reference to any contractural binding copyright agreements that would interfere or hold back on this.

As I have said before VHS tapes of both the pilot from the classic 1960s SF tv series and the later 1995 made-for-television mini-series were previously temporarily licensed by Republic Pictures Home Entertainment whose rights expired in 2006.

Actually both THE FUGITIVE and THE INVADERS were simultaneously marketed on a limited basis by Republic Pictures Home Entertainment which was one of the factors holding back a potential DVD release of these Quinn Martin Productions tv properties.

THE INVADERS PILOT (Click Here).

THE INVADERS 1995 MINI-SERIES (Click Here).

I bought both of these items at a local downtown video retailer back in 1997. Where were the (so-called) restrictive legal issues with either of these two commercially marketed INVADERS home video tv premiums that are supposed to be involved?

Jeff T.
post #192 of 819

IT'S NOW OFFICIAL!!!!!


Thanks to the diligency of an INVADERS discussion forum member we can now have an advanced preview of the intended packaging design for the upcoming THE INVADERS - THE FIRST SEASON 4-disc due out abroad in Region 2 on September 17th, 2007.

As I anticipated it radically differs from the TF-1 French release coming out on September 20th, 2007.

With Paramount Pictures-CBS Television Home Entertainment gleefully setting about plans anew for yet another DVD release of GOMER PYLE, USMC and its (odious) ilk when are we finally going to see similar arrangements for a North American DVD release of THE INVADERS?!

THE INVADERS - Region 2 (Click Here).

Jeff T.
post #193 of 819

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I don't know how I missed the last post showing an image of the cover for the UK release. Anyway, I see that this release is for S1, so presumably all 17 episodes on 4 single sided discs? That leaves 1 disc with 5 episodes--wonder if that can even feasibly be done.

The cover leaves a lot to be desired and certainly does not capture the tone of the series in 60s fashion but rather updates it for the "V", "X-Files", "War of the Worlds" crowd--but no matter. I'm certainly anxious to learn more about the transfer quality and more importantly, when (or even if) we'll see an R1 release.
post #194 of 819

GOOD POINT!!!!!!

Information on the impending U.K. Region 2 DVD release of THE INVADERS has been (virtually) non-existent. Amazon U.K. still hasn't an illustrative example of the finalized packaging design on display as yet.

Pertaining to the discrancies in the precise number of discs involved with this particular set (widely varying in online reports from 1 to 4) it is because of the confusion over whether the original 1960s SF tv classic or the latterday 1995 mini-series revival is actually being marketed.

The U.K. packaging design clearly states "first season" which of course should signify THE INVADERS 1960s cult favourite starring Roy Thinnes (who is clearly seen in the opulent oil painting-like artwork).

Michael makes a pertinent observation in that 4 discs couldn't possibly contain 17 colour hour length episodes utilizing just one side and these U.K. DVD releases (at least to the best of my knowledge) generally don't make it a practice to mint doublesided DVDs.

So that might mean that 5 discs will be utilized...ample storage space enough for any bonus extras that just may be included!

The packaging design is serviceably satisfactory albeit perhaps not quite as spectacularly sensational as one would have wanted. This may not be representative of any forthcoming (?) DVD release in North America.

For some strange reason these major DVD distribution companies always seem to feel impelled to improve upon the existing well-familiar imagery pertaining to these older SF tv series releases rather than promote the product in its true unadulterated form.

Naturally, I feel that this is a bad mistake in judgement but it's not necessarily a big problem here as one can get used to it.

Jeff T.
post #195 of 819

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I just hope then when it is eventually done in the US, and it will be done at some point, they include the original, unaired 75 minute version of the pilot.
post #196 of 819

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Originally Posted by JeffT.

Michael makes a pertinent observation in that 4 discs couldn't possibly contain 17 colour hour length episodes utilizing just one side and these U.K. DVD releases (at least to the best of my knowledge) generally don't make it a practice to mint doublesided DVDs.

They are quite rare here. Certainly, double-sided discs that have dual layers on one or both sides are virtually unknown here. It would not surprise me to find either one disc with five episodes stuffed onto one side, or alternatively, Paramount will have conveniently shoved one episode into the second season.

I do not expect any extras on this set.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffT.

The packaging design is serviceably satisfactory albeit perhaps not quite as spectacularly sensational as one would have wanted. This may not be representative of any forthcoming (?) DVD release in North America.

For some strange reason these major DVD distribution companies always seem to feel impelled to improve upon the existing well-familiar imagery pertaining to these older SF tv series releases rather than promote the product in its true unadulterated form.

Naturally, I feel that this is a bad mistake in judgement but it's not necessarily a big problem here as one can get used to it.
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I think the cover design is absolutely awful. It does not evoke the series at all! In fact it doesn't look even remotely connected to it!

The French releases have got it right; the use of the iconic Saucer from the series, the image of David Vincent being persued, and although the title is in French, at least it uses the exact same lettering that the series opening credits used.

This release has got it bizarrely wrong. The typeface, the picture of Thinnes (it barely even looks like him), the alien planet (which we never saw) and what appears to be a picture of a street from a contemporary Small American Town rather than the 1960's...they all make me thing of the awful remake.

If I saw that on a shelf the last thing I'd think of would be the original series.

I think Paramount have munged it up badly on this one. Anyone who remembers the original series certainly wouldn't make the connection when they saw this in a store.
post #197 of 819

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Originally Posted by Richard_Gregory
They are quite rare here. Certainly, double-sided discs that have dual layers on one or both sides are virtually unknown here. It would not surprise me to find either one disc with five episodes stuffed onto one side, or alternatively, Paramount will have conveniently shoved one episode into the second season.

I do not expect any extras on this set.



I think the cover design is absolutely awful. It does not evoke the series at all! In fact it doesn't look even remotely connected to it!

The French releases have got it right; the use of the iconic Saucer from the series, the image of David Vincent being persued, and although the title is in French, at least it uses the exact same lettering that the series opening credits used.

This release has got it bizarrely wrong. The typeface, the picture of Thinnes (it barely even looks like him), the alien planet (which we never saw) and what appears to be a picture of a street from a contemporary Small American Town rather than the 1960's...they all make me thing of the awful remake.

If I saw that on a shelf the last thing I'd think of would be the original series.

I think Paramount have munged it up badly on this one. Anyone who remembers the original series certainly wouldn't make the connection when they saw this in a store.

Surely that is not Roy Thinnes on the cover ? Looks more like Scott Bakula from the 90's remake.

I think some wires are getting crossed & this is the cover for the remake which is also up for release.I think this picture of the cover is from the UK HMV website & they have got it wrong.
post #198 of 819

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Except the remake didn't have a "season"
post #199 of 819

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OK, now I even more confused. The clothing looks nothing like Vincent ever even wore in the show. It looks like 'Eliot Ness' fleeing a giant sphere shaped rock, a la 'Indiana Jones' with a photoshopped head vaguely looking like Thinnes. I agree with Richard. The cover is horrible, quite possibly the most misrepresentative image I've ever seen to a 60s television series. Next to this "The Time Tunnel" cover is a Rembrandt--heck, a plain black box with "The Invaders" printed in original font design would have been infinitely preferable.
post #200 of 819

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Re: the bad box art (UK). They're probably trying to intentionally make it look more contemporary/less '60s to try and shift some copies onto the younger segment of the audience who might not be so inclined as to buy older product.

A bit underhanded, if you ask me, while at the same time perhaps causing the people who might actually be inclined to buy (those familiar with the show) to not even notice it on store shelves.

Anyone here seen those old Goodtimes VHS tapes? The artwork used on those (taken from one of the publicity stills) captures perfectly the spirit of the show: a big closeup of Thinnes with that iconic UFO behind him.

P.S. Although the French box art includes some of the familiar graphic elements, it looks a bit amateurish to me. Almost like it was cobbled together by the office manager using MS Word, rather than a professional designer. The UK one, on the other hand, looks professionally designed, but was made with the wrong target audience in mind.
post #201 of 819

LOOK FAMILIAR?!!!!!


First off, the best packaging designs I have seen pertaining to THE INVADERS were those designed by Tom who included them in earlier message posts on this discussion thread.

I don't think much of the TF-1 (French) graphics for despite drawing on the 'original' imagery as they are still unsatisfactorily inept.

The U.K. artwork may not be the best that I have seen but neither does it qualify as the being worst either. More often than not I find that I (personally) am seldom (fully) satisfied with any of these efforts nowadays. However, I reiterate while it is (in my estimation) typical of the type of packaging design to come out of the U.K. for many of these kind of DVD releases it is not necessarily representation of what will be employed in North America...which at present there is absolutely NONE to speak of!

From the illustrative sample still that is included with this message post it should be (clearly) apparent that it is indeed Roy Thinnes seen on the abstract artistic rendering taken from an authentic INVADERS promotional still.

At times David Vincent could be quite the (fashion conscious) dresser as he was hep to some of the finer aspects of life.

I look at the imagery (on the U.K. packaging design) and what it impresses upon me is that David Vincent is dwarfed by the nightmarish threat that is menacingly looming over us and gradually engulfing our vulnerably unaware world...which is likely the artist's intent. You can't fault the use of some creativity and innovation...which is precisely what the SF genre inspires from its intended audience. We all see and interpret things differently! In a very real sense this is (appropriately) very much the "thinking" man's packaging design...like the tv series itself!

Some of you people always speak in absolutes simply because you are not attuned to literary SF drama. This is not a stale cookie-cutter cop show, or wholesome family sitcom or yet another western indistinguishable from the sizeable litter. An extraterrestrial can make references to his "home planet" and that can conjur up all sorts of mental imagery in the human imagination...without having actually seeing it! This is precisely where the strong and capably adept writing comes in! These earlier SF tv shows required a certain amount of intuitive reasoning from the viewer something that most tv couch potatoes either really don't have or it is a latent, undeveloped resource that they are totally incapable to draw upon.

What I appreciate about the best earlier genre works in television like SCIENCE FICTION THEATRE, THE TWILIGHT ZONE, THE OUTER LIMITS, THE PRISONER and THE INVADERS is that they all adhered to the (profound) principle that when reaching an adult audience demographic less tends to be more. While all of these singular outstanding efforts have well done visuals to their credit they aren't overdone and excessive like the more juvenile blantantly hokey efforts in the genre.

Another important distinction that these great SF shows all have in common is the notion that one doesn't have to wait 300 some odd years in the future for fantastic and wonderous events to happen as they are all set in the present. They are occurring in everyday surroundings that we are well familiar with and can all relate to.

Jeff T.
post #202 of 819

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As always with TF1 Video, due to legal issues, the english track will have locked french subtitles. I owned a lot of their british TV series on dvd, and all of them have locked french subtitles on the english track.
BTW, New Avengers was released by Studio Canal in France, not TF1 Video
post #203 of 819

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Originally Posted by Jerome
As always with TF1 Video, due to legal issues, the english track will have locked french subtitles. I owned a lot of their british TV series on dvd, and all of them have locked french subtitles on the english track.
BTW, New Avengers was released by Studio Canal in France, not TF1 Video

Jerome,

Could you help me out with an explanation of the "locked" French subtitle issue? Are you referring to the upcoming U.K. Invaders S1 release? Also, what does "locked" subtitle mean? I am assuming that the user can select or de-select any subtitle from the DVD menu.
post #204 of 819

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"locked" means non-removable subtitles
post #205 of 819

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Denny,

Thanks for the expl. If the upcoming S1 U.K. release has un-removable subtitles, I'll have to pass on getting the set.
post #206 of 819

FIVE DISCS!!!!!

According to the newly updated information on AMAZON U.K. the upcoming THE INVADERS first season DVD release (due out on September 17th, 2007) will consist of 5 discs...ample enough to comfortably contain all 17 colour hour episodes and any bonus extras that Paramount may have a mind to include!

This could (possibly) include the 75 minute unaired pilot or (more likely) the 1995 mini-series with Scott Bakula (the inclusion of the latter would explain all the confusion on just what was going to be released in the first place).

THE INVADERS (Region 2) Click Here.

Jeff T.
post #207 of 819

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Originally Posted by Jeff Willis
Denny,

Thanks for the expl. If the upcoming S1 U.K. release has un-removable subtitles, I'll have to pass on getting the set.

Well, since the UK is English-sepaking, I can't imagine why you would think the UK version would have un-removable subtitles. That's just the French release. Any subtitles on the UK version will just be an option.

As for extras, this being Paramount, I wouldn't get my hopes up. If they had the original 75-minute version of the pilot, I would be well pleased.
post #208 of 819

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Originally Posted by AndyMcKinney
As for extras, this being Paramount, I wouldn't get my hopes up. If they had the original 75-minute version of the pilot, I would be well pleased.

Paramount's been very inconsistent with extras when it comes to their classic/vintage TV releases. Shows like "Mission: Impossible" and "The Fugitive" have had absolutely no extras, while some season 1 releases like "Hawaii Five-0," "Wild Wild West" and "The Untouchables" have had an extra or two. My guess is that if something already exists (like the 75-minute version of the pilot) and can "fit" into however many discs are being considered for the set, then there's a chance that it might be included. What I would be surprised to see is any newly produced interviews, commentaries, etc. Over the last year or so, I haven't seen any of that on Paramount's classic/vintage releases. And, once you get past season 1 of their vintage shows, you can pretty much be assured that there will be no extras whatsoever if present trends continue.
post #209 of 819

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Paramount's been very inconsistent with extras when it comes to their classic/vintage TV releases. Shows like "Mission: Impossible" and "The Fugitive" have had absolutely no extras, while some season 1 releases like "Hawaii Five-0," "Wild Wild West" and "The Untouchables" have had an extra or two.

Bob, not having any extras for "Fugitive" and "M:I" seems criminal in light of how some lesser known shows like "Land of the Giants" has EVERYTHING except Chipper the dog's reflections of the series. I wouldn't expect anything extra for "The Invaders" but would certainly be pleased if at least the longer pilot were to be included. What was on "The Untouchables"? I went through the entire set but can't recall anything extra off hand.
post #210 of 819

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Originally Posted by michael_ks
I wouldn't expect anything extra for "The Invaders" but would certainly be pleased if at least the longer pilot were to be included. What was on "The Untouchables"? I went through the entire set but can't recall anything extra off hand.

Regarding extras on "The Untouchables," there were the Desi Arnaz/Walter Winchell introductions from "Desilu Playhouse." Also, and this is certainly debatable, the theatrical version of "The Scarface Mob," which was originally shown in two parts on "Desilu Playhouse" was included. We can debate how much "extra" these extras really are but, compared to "M:I" and "The Fugitive," those sets only had the episodes and nothing else. I think that if there is some existing material that Paramount has available, then there's a chance that it might be included but, if recent history repeats itself, I seriously doubt that Paramount would produce any "new" extras for this release unless they decided to bring in an independent DVD producer like Paul Brownstein who did some work for Paramount on "Wild Wild West" season 1, and the 50th anniversary release of "Gunsmoke."
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