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post #1 of 36
6/18/04 at 5:51pm
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Just saw in another thread that the new Allman Bros Fillmore East SACD is probably the original track list, and not the extended versions of the last 2 remasters. If true: not smart.

New Heart remasters coming out. No word on high res versions.

Deluxe version of Who's Next. No high res version.

Newly remastered version of the Final Cut with an extra track on it. No high res version.

The newly remastered versions of Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, and Tusk with extra tracks. No high res verions.

And just because I remember this one too, DVD-A of Deep Purple's Machine Head. But didn't include the extra "remixed" version of the entire lp that was included with the original UK (and now Rhino) remastered CD versions. Not smart.

Personally, I'm getting frustrated.
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post #2 of 36
6/18/04 at 5:51pm
Thread Starter 
Just saw in another thread that the new Allman Bros Fillmore East SACD is probably the original track list, and not the extended versions of the last 2 remasters. If true: not smart.

New Heart remasters coming out. No word on high res versions.

Deluxe version of Who's Next. No high res version.

Newly remastered version of the Final Cut with an extra track on it. No high res version.

The newly remastered versions of Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, and Tusk with extra tracks. No high res verions.

And just because I remember this one too, DVD-A of Deep Purple's Machine Head. But didn't include the extra "remixed" version of the entire lp that was included with the original UK (and now Rhino) remastered CD versions. Not smart.

Personally, I'm getting frustrated.
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post #3 of 36
6/18/04 at 8:33pm
I'd be less frustrated if there were more RECENT releases and a wider variety of artists coming out on high-res. Personally, I could care less about rehashed 1970's/80's catalog titles from aging stadium rockers. High-res needs variety, not just Pink Floyd and Fleetwod Mac. But hey, at the rate new SACD/DVD-A releases are coming out we're not getting much of anything anyway. Maybe I should just sell my universal player and be happy with Redbook CD.
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post #4 of 36
6/18/04 at 8:33pm
I'd be less frustrated if there were more RECENT releases and a wider variety of artists coming out on high-res. Personally, I could care less about rehashed 1970's/80's catalog titles from aging stadium rockers. High-res needs variety, not just Pink Floyd and Fleetwod Mac. But hey, at the rate new SACD/DVD-A releases are coming out we're not getting much of anything anyway. Maybe I should just sell my universal player and be happy with Redbook CD.
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post #5 of 36
6/18/04 at 9:06pm
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The newly remastered versions of Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, and Tusk with extra tracks. No high res verions.
Isn't the existing DVD-A of Rumours already hi-rez?
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post #6 of 36
6/18/04 at 9:06pm
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The newly remastered versions of Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, and Tusk with extra tracks. No high res verions.
Isn't the existing DVD-A of Rumours already hi-rez?
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post #7 of 36
6/18/04 at 10:22pm
There's a reissue of Bowie's Diamond Dogs with a handful of additional tracks included. Likewise, this is, AFAIK, Redbook CD.

It seems that there's kind of a rule: if it's something you REALLY want (the new live Dylan, for example), it's not out in hi-rez.

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I could care less about rehashed 1970's/80's catalog titles from aging stadium rockers. High-res needs variety, not just Pink Floyd and Fleetwod Mac.


The high rez releases are not a very good cross section of what's in print. Even if they were to continue releasing so few recordings in hi-rez, you'd think they'd at least make it a healthy mix of old, new, borrowed, blue, etc.

It looks like they're just out to milk back catalog releases on which the revenues for sales of the Redbook CD versions have begun to dry up.

Only the boutique labels have made a decent effort to satisfy purchasers of hi-rez titles.
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post #8 of 36
6/18/04 at 10:22pm
There's a reissue of Bowie's Diamond Dogs with a handful of additional tracks included. Likewise, this is, AFAIK, Redbook CD.

It seems that there's kind of a rule: if it's something you REALLY want (the new live Dylan, for example), it's not out in hi-rez.

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I could care less about rehashed 1970's/80's catalog titles from aging stadium rockers. High-res needs variety, not just Pink Floyd and Fleetwod Mac.


The high rez releases are not a very good cross section of what's in print. Even if they were to continue releasing so few recordings in hi-rez, you'd think they'd at least make it a healthy mix of old, new, borrowed, blue, etc.

It looks like they're just out to milk back catalog releases on which the revenues for sales of the Redbook CD versions have begun to dry up.

Only the boutique labels have made a decent effort to satisfy purchasers of hi-rez titles.
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post #9 of 36
6/18/04 at 10:40pm
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It looks like they're just out to milk back catalog releases on which the revenues for sales of the Redbook CD versions have begun to dry up.
They, The Powers That Be, could do that with Dual Layer Discs, ala Rolling Stones reissues.
It's more than that (meaning: WORSE than that).
Last time I saw DVD-A/SA-CD sales figures (I believe for 4th quarter 2003), the two HiRez sales where 10% of vinyl sales. Yikes!!!
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post #10 of 36
6/18/04 at 10:40pm
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It looks like they're just out to milk back catalog releases on which the revenues for sales of the Redbook CD versions have begun to dry up.
They, The Powers That Be, could do that with Dual Layer Discs, ala Rolling Stones reissues.
It's more than that (meaning: WORSE than that).
Last time I saw DVD-A/SA-CD sales figures (I believe for 4th quarter 2003), the two HiRez sales where 10% of vinyl sales. Yikes!!!
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post #11 of 36
6/18/04 at 11:58pm
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Gordon- I don't think that's the mix of the latest CD, and I know it doesn't include all the extra tracks that the new CD does.


I'm just beginning to feel, that while there was *some* momentum built by DSOTM, Tommy, and Goodby Yellow Brick Road, that it's kind of been lost. And the funny thing is, I *have* thought about swapping the universal player I have now to go back to a killer DVD-V/CD only player, but I can't. I have listened to the future, and I like it. I just wish they'd all get their act together.
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post #12 of 36
6/18/04 at 11:58pm
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Gordon- I don't think that's the mix of the latest CD, and I know it doesn't include all the extra tracks that the new CD does.


I'm just beginning to feel, that while there was *some* momentum built by DSOTM, Tommy, and Goodby Yellow Brick Road, that it's kind of been lost. And the funny thing is, I *have* thought about swapping the universal player I have now to go back to a killer DVD-V/CD only player, but I can't. I have listened to the future, and I like it. I just wish they'd all get their act together.
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post #13 of 36
6/19/04 at 11:36am
Rumours as noted above is available on DVD-A. I have not followed it recently but Tusk was scheduled for DVD-A. Hopefully it is like many hi-rez things, just delayed a bit. It is, however, very frustrating. I completely agree. Right now I've fallen behind in listening due to finish a project and have a bunch of CDs and SACDs left to listen to and a couple of DVD-As and SACDs and CDs on my next buy list. After that there is little announced on the horizon. I'll sometimes hold off buying the CD hoping for hi-rez but I've found myself doing that less recently. It is definitely a lost opportunity as once I have a good version, it will be few and far between the titles I'll rebuy.
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post #14 of 36
6/19/04 at 11:36am
Rumours as noted above is available on DVD-A. I have not followed it recently but Tusk was scheduled for DVD-A. Hopefully it is like many hi-rez things, just delayed a bit. It is, however, very frustrating. I completely agree. Right now I've fallen behind in listening due to finish a project and have a bunch of CDs and SACDs left to listen to and a couple of DVD-As and SACDs and CDs on my next buy list. After that there is little announced on the horizon. I'll sometimes hold off buying the CD hoping for hi-rez but I've found myself doing that less recently. It is definitely a lost opportunity as once I have a good version, it will be few and far between the titles I'll rebuy.
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post #15 of 36
6/19/04 at 8:52pm
Duran Duran just signed with Epic Records (Sony) for their upcoming album with the original 5 members. Given their hugely successful tours last year and earlier this year in Japan, Europe, and here in the States, I think a single-inventory SACD release for the upcoming album will generate much interest for the format.
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post #16 of 36
6/19/04 at 8:52pm
Duran Duran just signed with Epic Records (Sony) for their upcoming album with the original 5 members. Given their hugely successful tours last year and earlier this year in Japan, Europe, and here in the States, I think a single-inventory SACD release for the upcoming album will generate much interest for the format.
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post #17 of 36
6/20/04 at 8:03am
A lot of hirez jazz reissues have included extra material so the picture is not all bad.

I don't think you can expect every remaster with bonus material to have a hirez issued.

And just because hirez versions are not out now does not mean they will not issue them in the future.

I'm pretty excited about the Allman Bros. releases. I betcha we see more Pink Floyd titles as well.
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post #18 of 36
6/20/04 at 8:03am
A lot of hirez jazz reissues have included extra material so the picture is not all bad.

I don't think you can expect every remaster with bonus material to have a hirez issued.

And just because hirez versions are not out now does not mean they will not issue them in the future.

I'm pretty excited about the Allman Bros. releases. I betcha we see more Pink Floyd titles as well.
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post #19 of 36
6/20/04 at 8:06am
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I'm just beginning to feel, that while there was *some* momentum built by DSOTM, Tommy, and Goodby Yellow Brick Road, that it's kind of been lost.


Kevin,

I spoke with David Chesky. He says the big problem with title releases has been the threatening letters from The Harry Fox Agency regarding asking for 2-3x royaltees. This is affecting all of hirez from DVDA to DualDisc to SACD. Until they work these things out, it may remain slow. I would not interpret this as any lack of desire to release product.

Let's wait and see if Sony is successfull in bring Bruce Springsteen or more Pink Floyd to us.

Maybe DualDisc will be a uniting format that will prompt Harry Fox to reach an agreement on the royaltees.
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post #20 of 36
6/20/04 at 8:06am
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I'm just beginning to feel, that while there was *some* momentum built by DSOTM, Tommy, and Goodby Yellow Brick Road, that it's kind of been lost.


Kevin,

I spoke with David Chesky. He says the big problem with title releases has been the threatening letters from The Harry Fox Agency regarding asking for 2-3x royaltees. This is affecting all of hirez from DVDA to DualDisc to SACD. Until they work these things out, it may remain slow. I would not interpret this as any lack of desire to release product.

Let's wait and see if Sony is successfull in bring Bruce Springsteen or more Pink Floyd to us.

Maybe DualDisc will be a uniting format that will prompt Harry Fox to reach an agreement on the royaltees.
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post #21 of 36
6/20/04 at 2:39pm
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One more: Another remaster of Cream's Disraeli Gears is coming. But no word on a high res version.
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post #22 of 36
6/20/04 at 2:39pm
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One more: Another remaster of Cream's Disraeli Gears is coming. But no word on a high res version.
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post #23 of 36
6/21/04 at 8:00am
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There's a reissue of Bowie's Diamond Dogs with a handful of additional tracks included. Likewise, this is, AFAIK, Redbook CD.


I believe I read that, they will be working on releasing possibly 3 titles at a time on sacd, everyso often, ala, ziggy, lets dance, and scary montsers, a few months back. I would imagine a diamond dogs would be a possibility to be in the next batch?
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post #24 of 36
6/21/04 at 8:00am
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There's a reissue of Bowie's Diamond Dogs with a handful of additional tracks included. Likewise, this is, AFAIK, Redbook CD.


I believe I read that, they will be working on releasing possibly 3 titles at a time on sacd, everyso often, ala, ziggy, lets dance, and scary montsers, a few months back. I would imagine a diamond dogs would be a possibility to be in the next batch?
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post #25 of 36
6/21/04 at 11:50am
Harry Potter score DVD-As? Helloooo Warner?? Passion Of the Christ SACD? Helloooo Sony??

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I don't think you can expect every remaster with bonus material to have a hirez issued.
Well one can expect it . . . he'll just be disappointed.

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And just because hirez versions are not out now does not mean they will not issue them in the future.
What are they waiting for? In the case of Sony, clearly their early SACD output shows that they don't have a problem releasing a stereo-only SACD. This even eschews the Fox Agency demand letter/multiple royalties issue.

Why hasn't there been more consistent presentation of SACDs from artists who had their catalogs remastered? Babyface's Sony albums were remastered including bonus tracks but only The Day hit SACD (thankfully with the bonus tracks). But SEs were done for Michael Jackson's catalog and none were released on SACD (the Thriller SACD does not include the redbooks SE's bonus material).

And to spread the teeth-gnashing wealth: Helloooo UMG?? Where are the SACDs or DVD-As for the many remaining titles released on DTS CD but which have yet to make it to hi rez? Why re-release some (Vince Gill's High Lonesome Sound) but not others (The End of the Innocence, . . . Nothing Like the Sun . . . both of which prolly sold more than Vince)?

-p
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post #26 of 36
6/21/04 at 11:50am
Harry Potter score DVD-As? Helloooo Warner?? Passion Of the Christ SACD? Helloooo Sony??

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I don't think you can expect every remaster with bonus material to have a hirez issued.
Well one can expect it . . . he'll just be disappointed.

Quote:
And just because hirez versions are not out now does not mean they will not issue them in the future.
What are they waiting for? In the case of Sony, clearly their early SACD output shows that they don't have a problem releasing a stereo-only SACD. This even eschews the Fox Agency demand letter/multiple royalties issue.

Why hasn't there been more consistent presentation of SACDs from artists who had their catalogs remastered? Babyface's Sony albums were remastered including bonus tracks but only The Day hit SACD (thankfully with the bonus tracks). But SEs were done for Michael Jackson's catalog and none were released on SACD (the Thriller SACD does not include the redbooks SE's bonus material).

And to spread the teeth-gnashing wealth: Helloooo UMG?? Where are the SACDs or DVD-As for the many remaining titles released on DTS CD but which have yet to make it to hi rez? Why re-release some (Vince Gill's High Lonesome Sound) but not others (The End of the Innocence, . . . Nothing Like the Sun . . . both of which prolly sold more than Vince)?

-p
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post #27 of 36
6/21/04 at 12:02pm
What's the deal with Sony? They are finally giving Szell's Beethoven cycle the deluxe treatment in terms of remastering and packaging (long long overdue), and you'd think they'd use this as an opportunity to release the cycle as a SACD (hybrid) to counter DG's recent release of their own classic stereo cycle -- Karajan's '60s version, but this is not the case. And if they do release the cycle as a SACD, I'm still going to be pissed since I just paid $80 for this new redbook release.
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post #28 of 36
6/21/04 at 12:02pm
What's the deal with Sony? They are finally giving Szell's Beethoven cycle the deluxe treatment in terms of remastering and packaging (long long overdue), and you'd think they'd use this as an opportunity to release the cycle as a SACD (hybrid) to counter DG's recent release of their own classic stereo cycle -- Karajan's '60s version, but this is not the case. And if they do release the cycle as a SACD, I'm still going to be pissed since I just paid $80 for this new redbook release.
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post #29 of 36
6/21/04 at 12:06pm
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What are they waiting for? In the case of Sony, clearly their early SACD output shows that they don't have a problem releasing a stereo-only SACD. This even eschews the Fox Agency demand letter/multiple royalties issue.


My guess is that Sony and other labels are possibly holding up titles as a negotiating tactic to get Harry Fox to an agreement, or they are limiting some financial exposure but waiting until the royalty rights have been worked out.
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post #30 of 36
6/21/04 at 12:06pm
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What are they waiting for? In the case of Sony, clearly their early SACD output shows that they don't have a problem releasing a stereo-only SACD. This even eschews the Fox Agency demand letter/multiple royalties issue.


My guess is that Sony and other labels are possibly holding up titles as a negotiating tactic to get Harry Fox to an agreement, or they are limiting some financial exposure but waiting until the royalty rights have been worked out.
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