Zenith DVB 318 & LG 7832 DVD Player merged thread - Page 19

Oh yeah... Todd brings up a good point. I forgot all about turning off the autostart feature. I turned it off very early on and forgot about it completely.

Tim O'D... Does a different DVD Player work fine?

Sounds like an issue with the AVR. Have you tried the analog inputs? That would at least allow you to use the player and thus the 1080i upscale.

I am running my 318 with a Sanyo Z3 projector. Do any of you guys use the Z3's progressive scanning while running 1080i?

I'm not sure I understand the question??

The Z3 certainly isn't a 1080p Projo is it???


The progressive scan has already been done if your using 1080i upscalling.

No it's not but when i run a 1080i signal to the Z3 the progressive function is not greyed out. It allows me to (in theory) de-interlace the 1080i. Honestly I can't tell a difference but I was just wondering.

I would think maybe it switches it betwee 540p and 1080i then???? Sort of an eye fidelity thing? Those two would be very difficult to tell apart and even if you could only some sources woul dbe able to reveal the difference.

That makes sense. I am perfectly happy with my 318.

That is a neato feature of the display....

If you find something about a source/ some content being upscaled at 1080i that you don't like. It is probably worth a shot.

I sort of have it when I use the Displays internal de-interlacer, I can choose between 480p and 960i and it is called eye fidelity and I'll be darned as sometimes it does provide a decent improvement on some of the not so great Laserdiscs in my collection.

Most times, no difference is noticed. Comes back a little bit to the debate of Interlaced -vs- Progressive. At the display level very few people if any could tell any difference between 1080i and 540p, I may get arguments on that one, but I will stick to it as my opinion.

"Tim O'D... Does a different DVD Player work fine?

Sounds like an issue with the AVR. Have you tried the analog inputs? That would at least allow you to use the player and thus the 1080i upscale."

Analog works fine.

A little bit of a drag.. I woudl assume the performance of the DVD Players DACs on it Multi-Channel analog out is good? I have never tried it.

Got mine at wholesaleconnection.com $149 plus shipping. Authorized Zenith reseller. d

Ok, me again. Starting to have a couple of issues with the new player. First, like many others say, if you watch a well authored DVD like The Incredibles, Nemo, Gladiator etc... the pic. is amazing. If you watch a bad looking DVD, oy! EE looks absolutely awful. Print imperfections, mosquito noise etc.. seem GREATLY magnified.
The lack of pillarboxing is INCREDIBLY annoying.
The black levels seem weird. I've had to REALLY futz with my Gamma as well as my Contrast and Brightness. My JVC had user pic. controls for all these plus color, sharpness etc... so I guess I just liked having the increased control of the pic. coming out of the DVD player. Also, although the sharpness and detail on the Zenith is pretty phenomenal, my JVC has 12 bit Video processing and the color and the black level seem a bit better and the gradations slightly more subtle and natural than with the 10 bit on the zenith.
Overall, I'm pleased and like I said, with a good looking DVD, the pic. is pretty incredible but MAN, to have to switch to 480P (which don't look that good...) to watch any of my 4x3 stuff, (and I have ALOT) is very annoying.
But now I have had 3 DVDs with audio sync issues so far. Moulin Rouge DTS, (which I'd known about) and ROCKY DTS track on the new disc and an episode of Buffy S5 PAL version. My amp is a Pioneer 1014 and I've watched Buffy and Rocky with my JVC player with this amp with no problems. Anyone know what may be up? Overall, I'm pretty happy. But if the sync happens on alot of titles, I just can't deal with it.

Thanx! d

When having sync issues, if you hit stop then play again, does it sync back up?

480p for 4:3 material would be a real drag for sure. I know some people that also will hook up the svideo for that even. I'm sort of lucky there, as my display is native 4:3 with a native real 1080i 16:9 mode, in that scenerio there is probably not a better player out there.

Dave Mack, are you using component video output on it? Bad transfers seem to look just about as bad to me on good 480p players as this one upscaled. I do think various displays / technologies may just not mix well with it in general though.

Hey John,

Tried the stop button, even ejected the disc and powered down and back up. Still problems. Most discs seem fine. Maybe the PAL-NTSC THEN upscaling etc..... puts a delay into the mix? Rocky was only out of sync apparently at one point. When Mick is in Rocky's apt. Moulin Rouge DTS has been known to have a sync issue, so I must experiment more. Maybe my Pionneer just doesn't like the new player?? Also, this player seems to have some green issue going on. In dim scenes, faces tend to lean towards green. And there definitely is less detail in the blacks than my JVC with the the 12 bit video processing. Colors seem more varied, subtle and accurate. For example, in "The Warriors", Cyrus's face looks greenish during his big speech. Ditto for The warriors in the graveyard scene. I am a/bing the units now... More later...

Your using 1080i via the component video output?


All the other PQ issues are known using any other output on it.

It really is only good at 1080i via the Component Video Output. Mine sucks on every other video / output.

Yep, Mits Diamond CRT, component.. DEFINITELY greener pic. than the jvc....

Interesting.. My calibration with my HD sources seemed identical. Black level seems amazing.

You loaded the older firmware? If not, that may fix it. And you have to watch out, it will drop back to 480p on many many DVD's these days without that older firmware as well.

Just interesting the different experiences with the player for sure. Makes it hard to even suggest equipment these days, as what works well for one person, just may not work out for another.

Yep, did the firmware fix.. Mits displays 1080i. What it could be re: the color is that on the Mits in the service menu, the SD and HD adjustmensts are separate. I just wrote down all my values (Color drivers and cuts for red, green, blue and contrast and Brightness) and I'm gonna make them identical. The black issues have to do with my JVC having adjustable contrast, brightness and Gamma digitally before the pic. leaves the set, so I have much more flexibility. I'm trying to replicate that in Mits. the service menu in HD. I have read that the zenith runs very hot in the brightness coming out of the player, so that might be negating my gamma control a bit. Also my set is hand focused and duvetyned so usually I get a TREMENDOUS range of blacks with the JVC... Back later....

Ok, my R2 PAL Buffy DEFINITELY is in sync on my JVC. And DEFINITELY out of sync on the Zenith. At least this one episode. Not the others though. What on EARTH could that mean? On the zenith, the pic. lags just behind the pic. Not so bad during dialog but when say, a punch is thrown or impact etc... the out of sync thing is VERY distracting.. I will try more eps... Could it be that the PAL pic. has to go through all this processing? Down-rezzing/converting than uprezzing than de-interlacing...? Ok, I have now matched all my values between the SD amd HD inputs. Interesting that they would be varied default-wise... Pic. is MUCH better color-wise, black levels look better too. Now, more sync testing...

Wow, who'd a thunk it....

I have screened a few PAL discs and not had issues. Does it sync if you fall all the way back to svideo?

That is darned strange, I agree and I am clueless about it.

I don't have S-Video hooked up but I'll try switching to 480P on component. I have ALOT of PAL discs, so this would suck. d

yeah, but 480p will still be using the scaler to some degree.

I'd really try the svideo even if it's a PITA. I am weak on what are considered strong PAL players, but I don't think this is considered one of them.

Gotcha, I'll run an svideo then...

I've had the 318 since basically release (my CP72 bit the dust). Honestly I'm not as enamored of the player as everyone else (but my Infocus X1 is only 480p), but it is certainly the best Faroudja player I could find at a decent price (at the time).

I've seen mine badly lose audio/video synch after hitting the layer change on a DVD, a few times. I just end up stopping the video and restarting it.

I can't recall if Buffy S5 had one of the discs that went out of sync or not, but I don't recall it happening (we are watching Buffy, on S7 now). If you tell me the episode maybe I can test out the NTSC disc.

Hey Dave, It's the PAL version R2. Disc 2 ep. 1. Pretty much from chapter 2 on. During the throwdown between Buffy and Glory it's REALLY obvious. Watched the same ep. a few times on 2 different JVC players, no problems. Watched today on old JVC player, no problems.

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As a owner of a DVB318 I had the audio sync problem last nite by chance. I was watching Empire Strikes Back and the sync got off. First time I had run across the issue. I simply hit STOP and PLAY and the audio sync problem went away.

Yeah, it seems to come and go, except on BUFFY where it's pretty much the whole ep. So is this a potential bug? Others have noted this too. Maybe amp, TV related? I have a pioneer 1014 and a mits diamond.

Ok, interesting. I watched the ep. in question and put my amp in regular pro-logic and not DPII and it's in sync. VERY odd. I toggled back and forth and that's it. What's weird is that the other eps. do not go out of sync with DPII and my JVC player going into the amp in DPII did not have a sync problem with the ep. in question.
Strange...

Without going back and reading the last 18 pages of this thread, what is the latest with regard to upgrading the firmware on this player? I have an original 318(one of the first sold in US) and use it for upconverting DVD playback via component outputs at 1080i.

What do the firmware upgrades do versus the original firmware which I have, and is there a way to upgrade for the bug fixes while maintaining the component output upconverting ability of the player?

Thanks.

You have the good one for 1080i out the component video output.

There is a different one if you want to use DVI/HDMI...

Really two that matter right now, from what I understand.


There may be others that help with 480p and/or 720p out the component video as well, but I am unaware of it.