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post #241 of 614
John S:

Thanks for answering all my questions...
I am gonna run out and pick one up this week, I am convinced...

Thanks again,
Tyler T.
post #242 of 614
Update: I hooked the DVB318 up to another TV and the DVI didn't work properly. The picture would shake for a few seconds, cut out completely for a few seconds, and then be fine for a few seconds. This would repeat over and over.

I'm returning the unit to Zenith and they're sending me a new one.
post #243 of 614
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Rob,

Gee, your mits crt set does have component inputs, doesn't it? Have you even tried them with the Zenith?

I frankly don't understand what advantage there is to DVI on a crt based set other than allowing connectivity to some future device that won't pass HD via component, which the Zenith DOES! crts are an analog display technology, not digital like dlp, lcd, plasma, etc, so using component just eliminates a digital to analog conversion in the set.


Sorry I wasn't more clear.

I am using the Zenith on my Dwin TV3 DLP projector on a 123" screen. This is a digital display, and it should certainly be able to take advantage of the digital video connection (DVI). It just isn't looking very good compared to the Bravo.

As such, I will be using the Zenith on the Mitsubishi (which doens't have DVI) once I get one of the new Denon DVI players for the DWIN.

I agree that DVI with CRT's are of limited value.
post #244 of 614
my fault for not checking back thru the thread, Rob.
post #245 of 614
Does anyone have first hand experience with its region 2 capabilities? I have never purchased a region 2 DVD and I was wondering if the change in video speed and the sound etc problems that I've read about are apparent with this player?

Thanks
post #246 of 614
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I think you will be very happy with the 318 and the 4805, I am. I think you will also fine that WE and I mean the people on this forum and the AVS forum, tend to scrutinize everything to death. I guess it's just natural? But I am very happy with mine.

Thanks Todd, I am extremly happy with this combination.
post #247 of 614
I am getting my 318 sometime today (whenever the chocolate Santa decides to drop it off)

Question: I have a Mitsu 65313 with both a DVI and component, currently I run my HD signal through my Denon AVR-3805 via component and it looks fantastic, should I run my 318 through the Denon or just to the Mitsu itself?

Brent J.
post #248 of 614
I run mine through my Denon 4802 with no problems on Component Video.... My switching is pretty easy these days, with most sources now on 1080i component video through the reciever. You definetly want to use the Component Video out on the DVB-318 though from most all experiences with it.
post #249 of 614
Dumb question (maybe) but is this player multi region or can it be converted into such a player?
post #250 of 614
Do a search on the player.. The region hacks are readily available, and with Pal to NTSC conversion, should be a way winner for multi-regional support.
post #251 of 614
Well I just got my 318 hooked up with some good quality component cables (not the ones that come with the player) plugged directly into my Denon and watched a few movies with it. I must say it is really not any better than my Pioneer DV-563-A. I probably put my expectation level way to high on this player but for $160 it really was not that much of a gamble.
I am going to hook it up directly to my Mitsu and see if that changes anything, then finally I will try the DVI to see what that produces.

Brent J.
post #252 of 614
Brent_j

Your running it at 1080i? I can't fathom your results.

Any other resolution and / or output on is only going to go downhill from there.
post #253 of 614
yep, both my 318 and Mitsu tells me its at 1080i resolution. When I went back to my Pioneer, my Mitsu displayed 480p so I know the TV is getting a 1080i signal from the 318.
post #254 of 614
Mine and 2 others now that have them as well in my circle of friends have all had the experience that the video is actually better than the worst HD content and comes pretty darn close to the best HD content.

Just to humor me, can you hook it up to the cables currently used by your HDTV source?

This is one of very few devices, I have felt really compelled to suggest to people. Heck even people that are so not videophile / home theater types have noticed the difference, without knowing of the change and without prompting.
post #255 of 614
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Mine and 2 others now that have them as well in my circle of friends have all had the experience that the video is actually better than the worst HD content and comes pretty darn close to the best HD content.


John, I have Mediacom HDTV with that service I get ESPNHD, HBO-HD, BravoHD, DiscoveryHD, SHO-HD and STRZHD. The picture coming out of my 318 is no where near the quality of ANY of my HD channels.

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Just to humor me, can you hook it up to the cables currently used by your HDTV source?


I have uniformity with all of my video cables they are all Monster series 3 components. I hooked up the 318 via the supplied DVI cable hoping I could tell a difference, it looked a little sharper, maybe, but if you sat down and swapped my video source, I would bet money you could not tell me which one is which.

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This is one of very few devices, I have felt really compelled to suggest to people. Heck even people that are so not videophile / home theater types have noticed the difference, without knowing of the change and without prompting.


with that said, I MUST have a defective unit or something, I even had my neighbor come over (who is a HT fanatic) and look at the picture and he could not tell the difference either (my neighbor does not have HDTV as I would have tested it on his set)

I was so excited to have this unit work!

Any thoughts??!!??

Brent J.
post #256 of 614
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Mine and 2 others now that have them as well in my circle of friends have all had the experience that the video is actually better than the worst HD content and comes pretty darn close to the best HD content.


Yeah, that is definitely an overstatement.

Upconverting to HD resolution can be a good thing, but it still isn't nearly as good as true HD.
post #257 of 614
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with that said, I MUST have a defective unit or something, I even had my neighbor come over (who is a HT fanatic) and look at the picture and he could not tell the difference either (my neighbor does not have HDTV as I would have tested it on his set)


I've got the player hooked up to my 480p X1 projector. A lot of people on AVS with the Zenith and an X1 have insisted that the picture looks better upconverted and then downconverted. Maybe they came from a weaker DVD player to the 318, because I see little difference between it and my old (dead) Faroudja-based Panny CP72, once they were both calibrated. There are some other people that insist it looks "much better than my old [insert quality player here]". But then again, I guess I am kind of a skeptic, so I will admit that perhaps I am getting Placebo effect in the negative way.


But - I'm downconverting to 480p, so I can't judge the player's merits @ 1080i.


All I'm saying is that quite a few people are saying it is worlds better, even downconverted. I have said quite a few times that I think it is the placebo effect in some cases.

In others, I would think that the upconversion would work much better for fixed pixel displays (DLP, LCD, Plasma), since they are normally upscaling internally - perhaps the player does much better upscaling via its Faroudja chip, taking the scaling off of whatever chip the display is using. Thus the set only has to downconvert - much easier than upconversion.
post #258 of 614
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Yeah, that is definitely an overstatement.


I agree. It's a good player, but not great. Kris Deering of the Secrets of Home Theater and HiFi website once stated that the zenith had an advantage over other scaling players due to using Faroudja, but otherwise it sucked. At 1080i it has what he describes as severe pixel cropping, slight y/c delay, and OK, but not superb, frequency response. 480p is worse. He describes the Y/C delay at 480p as being about as bad a situation as you can have. Add to that issues with known issues with ghosting, white crush via DVI, Issues with locking up via DVI, green undersaturation at 720p and 1080i on some sets due to the Zenith using the SD color matrix with the HD resolution outputs, it becomes easy to see that it has issues. It seems to do a great job with the upscaling, but the rest is not as good. For me, the upscaling is only a small benefit and can't outweigh the players negatives.

In others, I would think that the upconversion would work much better for fixed pixel displays (DLP, LCD, Plasma), since they are normally upscaling internally


Actually, it is supposed to be better with CRT displays than fixed pixel. This is what I have read, and don't know all the science to it myself. All I do know is that I have a 53" CRT HDTV and my XP30 provides a better image at 480p than the Zenith at 1080i. The 30 has better colors, better black levels, and no pixel cropping. I do think the zenith presents a slightly smoother image due to the extra resolution. Again, I feel the Zenith is a good player for the money, but it's negatives outweigh the small advantage of it's scaling.
post #259 of 614
So basically this player, should be at least decent enough for enough people to suggest at $160 ya may as well give it a try.

With my setup, I'd say the scale is more than worth any other issues. Although, I am not really detecting any other issues using the 1080i Component Video.

What exactly is Pixel Cropping? I'll try to detect / see it. The slight y/c delay at 1080i is still a pretty respectable figure from my limited understanding of it anyways.
post #260 of 614
The 480p y/c delay is pretty bad to my eyes, and the 720p less so - lots of color smearing. Some have said they can't see it at 480p. Looks horrible to me on my X1. But at 1080i the y/c delay looks good (actually about the same as my old Panny CP72 per Secrets, if I recall). It crops off a too much of the right edge of the picture. But other than the right edge cropping, the image is pretty much equivalent to my CP72 when I run it at 1080i.
post #261 of 614
Just to clarify, can this player do PAL - NTSC conversion?

Looks like I'll be picking one up. I bought a cheap Tosh SD-5915 to tide me over until the new Jaton's are released but I'm very dissatisfied with it and am going to return it this weekend.
post #262 of 614
On the Zenith, what is the best setup for this player.

Should the settings be PCM or Bitstream? and so on.

Just asking because I put in "Hellboy" last night for the first time and it wasn't playing it, it also seemed to freeze the player (ie I couldn't eject the dvd or turn it off).

So I return the DVD thinking it was bad and bring another home. Well I have the same problem. So I go into the menu section of the player and set it to not start the movie automatically and I switched all the settings to Bitstream. Well this seemed to work and the DVD played and sounded fine.

So I guess I'll leave this setup in. But Anyone know why it wouldn't play the DVD under the first configuration (Autoplay and settings on PCM)

Thanks
post #263 of 614
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With my setup, I'd say the scale is more than worth any other issues. Although, I am not really detecting any other issues using the 1080i Component Video.



I use the Zenith with my CRT Panny, and there is a noticable improvement on 1080i over my RP-82. It definitely isn't all that great when used with 480p-and I do have a fairly sizable collection of 4:3 films from the forties-but this player does do upconversion so well that I really think it's well worth getting if you watch lots of 16:9 films, and if you have a CRT display.
post #264 of 614
The auto play glitches on some titles. It did the same thing to me on disc 2 of the Lawerence of Arabia superbit, and I know if wasn't the disc has it plays fine in my panasonic. The autoplay is a known issue with this player.
post #265 of 614
How does the player stretch 4:3 material in 1080i mode? Is it a linear stretch? If your TV can squeeze 1080i back to 4:3 it shouldn't be a problem (assuming a linear stretch).
post #266 of 614
Man, I am still on edge about buying this Zenith. Hm... Does anybody know how much the new Samsung will cost? The HD941. Hm... Maybe I'll wait.
post #267 of 614
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Should the settings be PCM or Bitstream?


If you want Dolby Digital and DTS you must use bitstream.

Autoplay causes problems with some disks.
post #268 of 614
Thanks Larry for the reply.

My set is native 4:3 with a native 16:9 mode. So I do get 1080i native 4:3. One of the reasons, I do not think I'll ever find a better fit for my current setup.
post #269 of 614
Would the Zenith player be an improvemant over my Toshiba SD-3800? I sure it will, just wanted to hear everyone chime in. Thanks.
post #270 of 614
If you notice any sorty of common NTSC artifacting, like jaggies and/or shimmers, like on blinds, stairs, ect..

I'll go out on a limb and say yes. But it does seem to vary for people / the display they own in general.

Like I posted, on my particular setup, I'd rate the Zenith as the 2nd comming, or better than sliced bread at 1080i out the component video. But your results may vary. For the money, if you don't like the player, I'll bet you can resell it quickly, and lose nothing on at least try'n it.
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