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post #91 of 788
1/4/05 at 12:18pm
I just got caught up on season 3 on dvd over the weekend so I can actually watch Alias as it airs for the first time

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I don't think you can assume Lauren is dead, just my gut speaking outloud again.
You can never assume anything with Alias, but she did get shot atleast 3 times and then she proceeded to fall down into a large hole. (Then again Vaughn got stabbed in the back, and was right back in action)

One thing I don't understand from the end of season 3 is why Lauren would tell Sydney the safety deposit box number as she is dying. I just don't see why she would use her 'last breath' to help Sydney.
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post #92 of 788
1/4/05 at 12:25pm
In reference to Lauren

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I think she's dead but look at the Francie doppleganger. She got a major a$$ kicking and was shot so many times that she looked like Swiss cheese and she lived through it


I used spoilers just in case someone hasn't caught the show in the last two years.
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post #93 of 788
1/4/05 at 2:46pm
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One thing I don't understand from the end of season 3 is why Lauren would tell Sydney the safety deposit box number as she is dying. I just don't see why she would use her 'last breath' to help Sydney.

I don't think 'help' is the operative word here. She knew the information would hurt Sydney deeply (and based on the leaked S4 info so far, it has) and so it was more of a 'I know something you don't know' thing.

as for the spoiler:

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Allison Georgia Doren (Fake Francie) was part of Jack's Project Christmas as was Sydney... we have no idea what that entailed but certainly the ability to be shot up and live is one of the attributes of the program.
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post #94 of 788
1/4/05 at 3:03pm
in NYC they were flying a huge banner around by a helicopter Monday morning. It read "ALIAS: The New Season, Wednedsay at 9:00" or something. And this was the coolest part, attached they had a cutout of a woman, and she had bright red hair, with all black on (it was really high up, so you could barely see it) made to look like Sydney was clutching the banner dangling from it. It was really neat. Hopefully the extra promotion will help the ratings a bit, as well as the timeslot.
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post #95 of 788
1/4/05 at 3:24pm
I think the timeslot is gonna help Alias alot. The only problem will be that it will be hard to fully understand everything that happens if you've never seen the show before and that could make some people tune out.

From my own experience, I started watching the show about halfway through the second season and there was alot of stuff that was pretty confusing to me until I got the Season One DVDs. I remember watching those discs and many times saying "Ohhhhh, that's why that's like that" or "Ohhhh, that's why they did that." I was able to watch and enjoy the episodes before that but the overall story was a little confusing having missed 30-some episodes before it.
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post #96 of 788
1/4/05 at 4:26pm
Phase One was thankfully done in a way that you could almost get the show without seeing any episodes before it. Hopefully JJ Abrams did the same with the season premiere. making it great for new fans as well as longtime watchers.
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post #97 of 788
1/4/05 at 4:33pm
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I don't think 'help' is the operative word here. She knew the information would hurt Sydney deeply (and based on the leaked S4 info so far, it has) and so it was more of a 'I know something you don't know' thing.
I considered that, but I still think that because Sydney's goal is to find the truth about herself, Lauren was actually 'helping' her to do that.

Anyway it was just a little thing that bugged me.
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post #98 of 788
1/5/05 at 7:06am
You know you're desperate to see the season premiere when you dream about watching it the night before.
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post #99 of 788
1/5/05 at 3:28pm
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Allison Georgia Doren (Fake Francie) was part of Jack's Project Christmas as was Sydney... we have no idea what that entailed but certainly the ability to be shot up and live is one of the attributes of the program.

I believe it was stated that Allison's invincibility was due to a Rimbaldi secret, not Project Christmas.


As far as Lauren, the actress was interviewed after the season wrapped and said she tried to act like the bullets didn't hurt her (she wanted to come back) but the director kept telling her to act more fatally wounded...
Apparently she may not be back.
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post #100 of 788
1/5/05 at 4:56pm
1 hour!
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post #101 of 788
1/5/05 at 5:22pm
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I think the timeslot is gonna help Alias alot. The only problem will be that it will be hard to fully understand everything that happens if you've never seen the show before and that could make some people tune out.

I really hope you are right. I hope it doesnt lose it's audience much the same say Arrested Development has after the Simpsons. You never know.
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post #102 of 788
1/5/05 at 6:21pm
Nice new opening credit sequence. I assume there were credits... I couldn't take my eyes off Syd.

Ric
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post #103 of 788
1/5/05 at 6:22pm
Loved the new opening credits montage. How many different get-ups was Sydney in in that montage?
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post #104 of 788
1/5/05 at 6:30pm
Alright I can appreciate the fact that they want to start over again but having Sloane be their boss is just too much to take. I guess they still can't work anything out with Lena Olin.
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post #105 of 788
1/5/05 at 7:58pm
Last year sucked.

This year doesn't, so far...

Unfortunately, Time Magazine spoiled the fact that Sloane was Sydney's new boss, so I wasn't shocked when I saw him.

I'm not a fan of the new opening credits and the remixed theme, I liked it the way it was.
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post #106 of 788
1/5/05 at 8:01pm
Good show.

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I guess they figured out a way to stop all those stupid chatroom correspondences between Jack & Irina.
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post #107 of 788
1/5/05 at 8:01pm
I thought the premiere was a little on the dour side. Plus, it was so dark, didn't make it fun to watch during long stretches of the 2 hours.

I thought the black-light documents showed Jack heading up Project Christmas, and Sydney being a by-product of that project.

I was amazed that it took about 52 minutes into the first hour to mention Rambaldi.

I guess Lena Olin's hardline stance forced JJ and company to write her character out of the show with this turn of events. Of course, the mystery of why the hit was placed on Sydney, and then having to staying one step ahead of Nadia before Jack and Sydney can break the news of who had Irina dispatched.

The new nicknames are cute. When will Weiss get wise of Sydney's real new career move?
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post #108 of 788
1/5/05 at 8:03pm
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How many different get-ups was Sydney in in that montage?


Too bad the tight blue dress from episode 2 didn't make the opening credits.
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post #109 of 788
1/5/05 at 8:03pm
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I thought the premiere was a little on the dour side. Plus, it was so dark, didn't make it fun to watch during long stretches of the 2 hours.
I didn't mind that.

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When will Weiss get wise of Sydney's real new career move?
Weiss: So, what bank are you working for?
Sydney: I think you've heard of it. Credit Dauphine?

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post #110 of 788
1/5/05 at 8:11pm
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I guess Lena Olin's hardline stance forced JJ and company to write her character out of the show with this turn of events.


What exactly was her hardline stance?
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post #111 of 788
1/5/05 at 8:33pm
No way. There's no way she is dead. Even if it took 40+ minutes for the Rambaldi reference, she isn't dead. She lives with Jack in the suburbs with their son, Sark, and adopted daughter, Anna.

On the other hand, I really won't mind seeing Syd take out Sloane as Nadia takes out Jack in one scene.
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post #112 of 788
1/5/05 at 8:38pm
Well that was fun.

I have to go back to Season 3 DVD and check the bonus features. Someone at work was saying there was something in there about Sydney's missing time. I dont remember that being in the bonus stuff unless there was an easter egg. Speaking of that are there easter eggs on the first 3 season box sets?

Ed

BTW the new intro was pretty rocking and Sydney's sister has back whoohoo.
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post #113 of 788
1/5/05 at 8:47pm
Aside from the obvious cheat about what Syd found in the bank box (Lauren said it was something about who was "controlling" Syd, as both were "pawns in the same game"), that was ok.

Some of the sheen has worn off of this show for me. It really bothered me last year when they started linking things together after the fact and moving the story forward with no concern for logical progression (Alias may be a fantastical series, but it always had its own internal logic).

But to totally switch what was obviously revealed in the cliffhanger last year... lame. And I'd still like to smack Lena Olin for refusing to return to the series, because I think she's indirectly to blame for so many of these problems (well, mostly the writers, but... I'm bitter, and I loved her character).

Don't think Alias will ever be as good as it was in season 2, but I'll keep watching.
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post #114 of 788
1/5/05 at 10:32pm
Vaughn: "Last year sucked."

Solid premiere, and I nearly lost it over that line. I know J.J. Abrams was upfront in interviews about Season 3's shortcomings, but I didn't expect him to have the characters mention it.

And thank you for finally getting rid of SpyMommy once and for all. I loved Lena Olin's performance and I think a big reason for Season 3 sucking was the fact that they could never talk her into returning, but enough's enough. If the woman refuses to reprise the role, kill her off and be done with it. I'd been advocating a cheap, meaningless death for her(kinda like Blofeld in For Your Eyes Only) for over a year now, so I was pleasantly surprised to see Abrams and Co. go through with it.
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post #115 of 788
1/5/05 at 10:44pm
Lena wanted more money to reprise her role in season 3, so JJ and company just did the whole IM thing with Jack, but now they are moving on, and tossing in from left field, the plotline that Sydney was pissed at Jack for having Irina killed, only to find out that he did so because Irina had put a contract on Sydney's head. It seems very forced and way too abrupt, even for Alias.

I still can't believe they blew over the whole revelation of Project Christmas, and Jack's involvement with it, and Sydney being in the project too.
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post #116 of 788
1/5/05 at 11:03pm
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I couldn't take my eyes off Syd


Well, it was kind of hard not to besides for the obvious reasons. As much as I like Garner I felt bad for the rest of the cast being left out. That's what I kind of liked about the old credits - no one really had the spotlight.

The whole Irina thing has been forced for awhile, with the whole IM scenes last season (makes me think of Chrissy from Three's Company being relegated to phone call scenes ). I'm assuming when her transmission cut out in one of the last season's eps that was the moment? Or was Jack supposed to have done it himself?

I don't know if I can handle both Nadia and Syd in hottie mode. Too...much...stimuli...

And just as I was wondering, "What about Marshall?" they recruit him. That was pretty cool.
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post #117 of 788
1/6/05 at 5:44am
While a bit predictable I liked this start a whole lot.

The new time slot should work out well.
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post #118 of 788
1/6/05 at 6:40am
I expected to see diamonds on the face of the bad guy. And, how bout that beginning sequence with Syd in the white lingerie. And then, they showed it again! Boy, someone knows who their audience is!

I enjoyed it. Pretty good episodes!
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post #119 of 788
1/6/05 at 7:38am
I was interrupted when Syd went to meet Nadia for the first time last night. What was said betwwen them? And how did it affect the plot?

And was the Project Christmas reveal that Syd was a product of that really ignored? I would guess that maybe it's a diversion that Irina was killed.

I was amused how the premiere felt like a reset to the first year. It's all back to the way it started, only they're a real CIA unit.
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post #120 of 788
1/6/05 at 7:45am
Well, that was weak.

Does anyone on this show ever learn anything? I'll dismiss the "how stupid does Syd think Weiss is?" argument because I imagine she wants him to know what's going on (although with deniability) as a backup. But, geez, Sloan is getting into Spike-on-Buffy territory in terms of wondering how long he can believably be around without a character putting a bullet in his head. Sure, Syd and Dixon might not sink to that level, but I'm pretty sure Jack has killed for less than Sloan has done.

And the new stupid set-up at the end... Hasn't Sydney learned by now that keeping these kinds of secrets within the agency and letting these things fester just gets people killed and hurt all the more deeply when it finally, inevitably, comes out? I'm sort of doubting that next week starts with "no, because (a) she friggin' had it coming and (b) this never, ever, ever ends when your personal need for revenge has been satisfied".

Also, watching it after Lost, I noticed something that annoys me about J.J. Abrams's writing style - he likes to hold things back too much. He'll have us follow a character, but then this protagonist will learn something but carefully shield it from the audience. Or he'll set up a revelation and then jump forward, saying nothing big happened because of it, but remember it, it'll be important. It's a cheat, and I think he's about reached the end in terms of how many times he can do it before it just becomes obnoxious.
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