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post #721 of 788
5/25/05 at 11:12pm
The zombie thing...I'm not sure how I feel about it. But the show was well done for what it was. The ending - definitely a surprise, but I don't see the Vaughn haters liking the development. I'm indifferent about him, but not sure how interested I am in seeing him play a more prominent role.
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post #722 of 788
5/25/05 at 11:17pm
Glad to see I'm not the only one who jumped out of my seat at the end. That scared the piss out of me!

Definitely one of the greatest cliffhanger endings I've seen in a while(on any show) and while I thought this was by far the weakest season of Alias yet that ending will have me coming back again next year.
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post #723 of 788
5/25/05 at 11:39pm
Holy crap! When they were driving at the end, and talking about eloping, I kept thinking, "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" ending coming up of somekind. Like many of you, I jumped back too.
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post #724 of 788
5/26/05 at 6:04am
I thought the episode was pretty good and I enjoyed the Rhambaldi storylines. The two false ending really had me thinking there wasn't going to be a cliffhanger. Then bam, Vaughn is not Vaughn and bam, a car crash.

I really hope the pay off for this cliffhanger will be better than the last two years. I was never really satisfied with the explanation for Syd's missing two years or the lockbox in the German bank.
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post #725 of 788
5/26/05 at 6:14am
Holy crap! When they were driving at the end, and talking about eloping, I kept thinking, "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" ending coming up of somekind.



I was thinking the same thing.
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post #726 of 788
5/26/05 at 6:18am
Lena Olin. Yummy. Don't make her a regular, but I'd love to see her pop up now and then.

Proving that I apparently didn't watch closely, I'm not sure what Sloane is in prison for. In the end, he helped stop things -- exactly what he was supposed to be doing. Comments?
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post #727 of 788
5/26/05 at 6:18am
I swear I've seen a car crash just like that in some movie, but I can't recall. I think the scene was at night and the car crashing may have been seen out of the passenger's window. Anybody? Anyway, great effect... I jumped back both times.

And thanks for last years cliffhanger recap, Thomas! The old mind ain't what it used to be!

Ric
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post #728 of 788
5/26/05 at 6:57am
The blocking for that car crash was straight out of The Forgotten with Julianne Moore. Not a good movie, but it has a few marvelously directed scenes.
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post #729 of 788
5/26/05 at 7:25am
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Proving that I apparently didn't watch closely, I'm not sure what Sloane is in prison for. In the end, he helped stop things -- exactly what he was supposed to be doing. Comments?
In the end, he did the right thing, but in the beginning, he betrayed APO and conspired with Elena, which is what everyone thinks, with the exception of a few.
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post #730 of 788
5/26/05 at 7:43am
Wow - that ending caught me off guard. I wasn't even really paying attention and was about to get up and leave the room when the car hit.

I don't know about the zombie thing. The scene where Mom, Dad, and the kids are walking down the street to fight the zombies and the big red ball had me thinking of a bad cross between The Incredibles and Dawn of the Dead. A little too corny for me, but the ending saved the episode.
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post #731 of 788
5/26/05 at 7:50am
The car crash could be a good explanation to take Sydney out of commission for a while in order to cover up Jennifer Garner's pregnancy, if the writers choose to do so.
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post #732 of 788
5/26/05 at 8:02am
Have to agree, great ending.

But one question, was that crash intentional? Meaning, someone didn't want Vaughn to say anything? Or just an accident?

And so many questions on what will happen next season. GREAT cliffhanger.

As for the car crash, THE OC did the same thing the episode before the cliffhanger this season. Ended with one of the main characters getting in a car crash.
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post #733 of 788
5/26/05 at 8:03am
Thread Starter 
I think that this season's cliffhanger was the best since season two's. I would agree that this season was easily the most messy, lethargic, and narratively unfocused of all of the seasons, but that ending nearly made up for it...can't wait for next year...

Maybe Vaughn is the chosen one that will bring balance to the force...

Whoops...wrong thread! :-)
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post #734 of 788
5/26/05 at 8:41am
Nice ending, I'll be tuning in again next year... I'm just hoping that the payoff is better than this year's clifhanger resolution.

Jack had some great lines in this episode
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post #735 of 788
5/26/05 at 9:07am
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Maybe Vaughn is the chosen one that will bring balance to the force...
There were various times I thought of Star Wars in the past two (or three, last week split into two) episodes (I watched last week's Alias after Star Wars).

Sloane: "Nadia, I am your father. Bring me that box."

When Elena talked to Nadia about joined, it would've been nice to hear Nadia say, "I'll never join you!"

I can't think of any other examples at the moment, maybe more later.
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post #736 of 788
5/26/05 at 9:23am
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Jack: I'm trying to have more fun these days...

Hilarious! Almost as good as his line very early in the season:

Jack: (To Sydney): I must not have received an invitation, or maybe you email me one. But, I don't accept e-vites!

This season was not altogether good, but Jack was classic this season!
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post #737 of 788
5/26/05 at 9:39am
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This season was not altogether good, but Jack was classic this season!


He always is. Hard to believe Victor Garber used to do Musicals on Broadway.
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post #738 of 788
5/26/05 at 9:43am
Enjoyable final ep. Like you guys that crash made me jump!!

Irena/Jack -- what can say, EXCELLENT!!! Jack is great period!

Marshall/Weiss -- these guys crack me up. They should do more scenes together for sure.

The end -- saw SOMETHING coming but didn't think it would a freakin' car crash, YIKES! Just figured Vaughan would spill his guts just enough to get you to come back next season.

As far as the Vaughan thing goes I would hate to see his character gone as I do like it, of course he was more fun as the vengeful Vaughan from S3 and early S4 but ....

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The OBVIOUS quick answer would be that he was a Russian plant like Irena was to Jack although I guess it would need to be something other than the Russians now .... Afterall why would Irena know about him and be so "candid" about it.


I do not think that Rambaldi is done though. It will always be a recurring theme.

BTW the Car Crash is a VERY easy way to do have Jennifer off the show for a bit for pregnancy as they can stick her in the hospital for an extended period. Essentially the other crew could go on a few missions on their own (hence needing Nadia back) and handle things. Also they could "accidentally" uncover info about Vaughan in the process. Leading up to the inevitable reveal between Vaughan and Sidney. Sadly I can almost bet that there will be some "loss of memory" eps in the near future.

Any way nicely done this Season. Sure there were some duds but hey they finished strong IMO.

Greg
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post #739 of 788
5/26/05 at 9:58am
Didn't the red Rambaldi ball remind you of the red sun of Krypton scenes in Superman the movie?
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post #740 of 788
5/26/05 at 11:14am
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The car crash could be a good explanation to take Sydney out of commission for a while in order to cover up Jennifer Garner's pregnancy, if the writers choose to do so.


If that's the case, they need a lead actress and shouldn't have made Nadia a zombie...

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Essentially the other crew could go on a few missions on their own (hence needing Nadia back) and handle things.


... because I'll be upset if Nadia is suddenly walking around at the start of next season just because Jennifer Garner is knocked up. That would rival the last several "resolutions" of the past cliffhangers. Nadia is a zombie right now and it will be extremely lame if she's healed in the first five minutes of the next season premiere while Syd is out for several episodes with her injuries.
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post #741 of 788
5/26/05 at 11:21am
As much as some people wouldn't like it, Nadia as the lead would seem most reasonable as a replacement for Sydney, unless they decide to use Garner's pregnancy as a plot device. Heck, they don't even need Nadia. I wouldn't mind if Jack, Vaughn, Irina, Sloane, or others took the lead role for a few episodes.
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post #742 of 788
5/26/05 at 11:59am
Maybe, just maybe, angry red ball somehow impregnated Sydney when she was on the roof.

Nah, that's just silly. Almost as silly as having zombie killers take over a town in Russia, where the streets are strewn with American cars.
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post #743 of 788
5/26/05 at 12:16pm
I'm not too sure if I liked the cliffhanger. The crash sure was surprising, but the revelation seemed a bit ridiculous. Isn't it a spy story cliche for a character to come out and say "I'm not who you think I am"?
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post #744 of 788
5/26/05 at 12:21pm
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Isn't it a spy story cliche for a character to come out and say "I'm not who you think I am"?
AFAIK, they usually say that after a short period of time. Sydney has known "Vaughn" for six years. He's been fooling everyone else at APO and the CIA for that period of time as well, or maybe they're all in on it too.
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post #745 of 788
5/26/05 at 12:40pm
Loved the ending of the ending. The "I have something to tell you" line is always cliche but the crash added a nice twist to the line rather than the fade out.

This could go anywhere from here. Remember, Irena seemed to know about it when they were talking when cutting the brake lines in the train. So there should be a tie-in somewhere in that exchange.
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post #746 of 788
5/26/05 at 12:53pm
I fully expect there to be some "flashback" style eps in the beginning of Season 5 to lay some memories/back story to the Vaughan.

I can see the crew w/o Sid, Nadia, or Vaughan handling things for an ep or 2 but thats about all they will allow for I think. While I firmly believe that they could handle and more lets not forget the STAR of ALIAS is Jennifer Garner plain and simple (like it or not) and thus I would not count on them letting "other characters" carry the load per se.

While I do agree with you guys about the "I'm not who you think I am I" being very trivial/cliche' would you really expect anything else?? Afterall this show is intended for the masses and not specific groups of folks like a lot of Sci-Fi shows tend to be.

Who knows where they will go, but hopefully they don't puss out on the opening of S5!!

See ya next Season

Greg
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post #747 of 788
5/26/05 at 1:24pm
In the end, he did the right thing, but in the beginning, he betrayed APO and conspired with Elena, which is what everyone thinks, with the exception of a few.


Can we define "everyone"? Few even know APO exists. Sloane hardly came with a clean slate to begin with. Historically speaking, Sloane's boss (Angela Basset) has been a lot more forgiving than Sid, and even Sid seems to be OK with Sloane's eventual actions.

The surprising thing to me is that the episode could have ended with him sitting behind his desk and I wouldn't have thought anything strange. I'd just have thought Sloan almost went over the edge, but pulled it together. Onwards and upwards. Alias forgives all kinds of questionable behavior for the greater good.

I guess my question is.. who exactly is pressing charges against Sloane and what, exactly, would those charges be? If none of APO reports Sloane doing anything wrong, who exactly would know? As for Irina, I accept her exit because she can't be a regular, but helping save the world is probably worth a pardon if recommended by the right people. Then she wouldn't have to go on the lam.

I think a big part of my enjoyment of the last two episodes is I really thought Lena Olin wouldn't be back on the show. As much as I enjoyed her, I was really disappointed that the business end was preventing her participation. Seeing her back on the show was like waking up to find out years ago that Michael Jordan had unretired, or what it'd be like to wake up and read a news report that George Lucas has decided to do another Star Wars movie. Not quite that scope, but similar feelings.
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post #748 of 788
5/26/05 at 1:51pm
Through the wonders of Tivo, I actually watched the "Alias" finale immediately before I watched the "Lost" finale. The result: Two "oops, I crapped my pants" moments within ten minutes. (The car crash at the end of "Alias" and Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
boom goes the dynamite
on "Lost").

[Spoiler text used so that "Lost"'s finale does not get ruined in a thread on another show. ]
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Isn't it a spy story cliche...
Have the makers of this show ever shied away from incorporating spy story cliches? I fully expect a villain to be holed up in an undergound volcano lair with a missle launcher next season.

Regards,
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post #749 of 788
5/26/05 at 2:36pm
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Can we define "everyone"? Few even know APO exists.
Fine, everyone else. Director Chase and the people at APO. He's being kept in jail as a precautionary measure until everything is straightened out.
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post #750 of 788
5/26/05 at 2:40pm
"Sydney my actual name is Vaughn Michaels but I thought that was dorky, Anyways let's get married."
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