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post #91 of 313
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A 0.19 difference in AR really doesn't matter much to me. I just want those first three remastered.

Well, I think that's around 11% picture info missing. So, why not do 1.85:1 off the 2.35:1 movies also, just to make the best out of the DVD format? OAR are OAR, nothing else!
post #92 of 313
I've been wanting to complete my collection recently, and buy the Volumes 2 and 3 of the DVDs, but I suppose I'll hold off if these new ones are less than a year away.

Hopefully, quality control at MGM will be better, since two of the DVDs in my set were without booklets. I tried emailing MGM to no avail.

I just watched Dr. No last night, and well, I'm sure going to love those new Lowry-cleaned transfers. Though truthfully, the transfer didn't look as bad as I thought it would.
post #93 of 313
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I just watched Dr. No last night, and well, I'm sure going to love those new Lowry-cleaned transfers. Though truthfully, the transfer didn't look as bad as I thought it would.


I agree. Dr. No is enjoyable just as it is - with very vivid colors - it is a visual treat. Actually a very pleasant outcome considering we are talking about a very popular film with goodness knows how many print transfers taken from the negative over the years. Then again perhaps they used master copies to make prints from thus not using the negative as much as some studios have done with other popular films.

However, I will be very interested to see how good the Lowry scans will be. Both in DVD and HD-DVD. Perhaps they can work some magic and make us believe we are back in 1962 again.

post #94 of 313
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Perhaps they can work some magic and make us believe we are back in 1962 again.

Oh, wouldn't that be nice. The problem is, once you left the house, it wouldn't feel like 1962 anymore.
post #95 of 313
I'm reading Jack Finney's Time and Again right now, and it might give you some tips on how to walk out into 1962.
post #96 of 313
Are they going to release all of the Bond films individually this time? I got some of them back during the 2000 run, and wanted to get some others when they re-released everything in 2003 but the ones I wanted were only available in the box sets. I just want to get 3 more Bond films and I hope MGM releases them individually this time.
post #97 of 313
As others have stated above, I think for a lot of enthusiasts, MGM are really going to have to meet some tough criteria if they want to encourage selling these films to us all over again. So far, the list looks like this:

1) Each and every film is going to have to look as good as it can. Some, particuarly the earlier films, were covered in all sorts of damage the first time round.

2) The original soundtracks are going to have to be included for every film as well as the spangly new remixes.

3) The first three films are going to have to be in their correct ratio and not cropped to 1.77:1.

4) OHMSS and Licence to Kill are going to have be uncut.

5) All captions and subtitles are going to have to burnt-in and not player-generated.

6) The extras are going to have to be mind-blowing (evidence so far suggests that they might be, but time will tell).

7) No authoring/encoding cock-ups.

8) They must all be available separately as well as in a boxset.

Somehow, I can't see MGM satisfying every one of those criteria, especially the first five. If they do, however, it will be a fitting celebration of some of the most enjoyable films ever made.
post #98 of 313
Hey, sort of related to this, I have a question: Does the Casino Royale disc include the Barry Nelson TV show from the 1950s?

Seems to me, WRT the 007 series, that any new discs will need to first and foremost correct the problems with the transfers from the 1999-2000 DVDs. Specifically, I refer to The Living Daylights, which has cropping issues and missing subtitles, and Octopussy, which also has missing subtitles.
post #99 of 313
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Hey, sort of related to this, I have a question: Does the Casino Royale disc include the Barry Nelson TV show from the 1950s?
Yes it does. CR is a pretty good release, actually. Here's a link to the HTF Review. (Back from when Ron did them!)
post #100 of 313
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Hey, sort of related to this, I have a question: Does the Casino Royale disc include the Barry Nelson TV show from the 1950s?


Yes, it does. The ending, however, is missing. I believe the ending is known to exist - indeed, I believe a version with the ending intact was rleased on VHS about ten years ago, but the quality of the final section is rather poor, IIRC. It would be nice, if MGM return to this title, if they could see their way to restoring the final moments for any future release. Poor quality is better than nothing at all, guys!


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Specifically, I refer to The Living Daylights, which has cropping issues and missing subtitles, and Octopussy, which also has missing subtitles.


AKAIK, this matter was addressed as soon as it was discovered and replacements were offered to those who required them and corrected versions also made their way into shops. Can anyone confirm this?
post #101 of 313
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Are they going to release all of the Bond films individually this time? I got some of them back during the 2000 run, and wanted to get some others when they re-released everything in 2003 but the ones I wanted were only available in the box sets. I just want to get 3 more Bond films and I hope MGM releases them individually this time.


If that is all you're after, why not just pick up the three you need in Amazon Marketplace? Most individual titles are priced around or significantly lower than the price point they were when they were available individually.

For example,

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/off...?condition=all

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As others have stated above, I think for a lot of enthusiasts, MGM are really going to have to meet some tough criteria if they want to encourage selling these films to us all over again. So far, the list looks like this:

1) Each and every film is going to have to look as good as it can. Some, particuarly the earlier films, were covered in all sorts of damage the first time round.

2) The original soundtracks are going to have to be included for every film as well as the spangly new remixes.

3) The first three films are going to have to be in their correct ratio and not cropped to 1.77:1.

4) OHMSS and Licence to Kill are going to have be uncut.

5) All captions and subtitles are going to have to burnt-in and not player-generated.

6) The extras are going to have to be mind-blowing (evidence so far suggests that they might be, but time will tell).

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Richard,

Your points are well taken, but the two key elements are price and video appearance. If the reissues are terrific looking (in the category of the best that Lowry has done) and the price is right - many of us are lambs to the slaughter regardless of the rest of your list.

If I were marketing the Bond DVDs (and trying to maximize profits) - I'd sell them individually this time thus eliminating backlash as well as tempting those that can be tempted to double-dip.

Then, I'd release them again in High-def and force early adopters to buy them in boxsets again (or price individual titles so high that the boxsets become a plausible alternative). The thing about boxsets is that it is guaranteed additional free publicity over single releases. Look at us with all of our 'what will the new boxsets be' threads over the years - plus boxsets get much better exposure in the general press. Box sets are also big gift items and it is often Mrs. Consumer that buys the gifts. Mrs. Consumer may not know everything we like but she knows that we like Bond doesn't she? It also allows $ony to keep moving the dogs of the series as well. Therefore, I doubt that boxsets will be leaving the Bond franchise any time soon.
post #102 of 313
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many of us are lambs to the slaughter regardless of the rest of your list.








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Therefore, I doubt that boxsets will be leaving the Bond franchise any time soon.


I can certainly understand that for the US market but here in good ol' England, we've never had a Bond boxset (well, OK, we have, but it was a massive great metal limited edition thing, and it didn't even come out until all the films had been released and even then was really expensive, so that doesn't count) and we have always had individual releases of these films. I expect many other coutnries are the same. We've all been lucky enough to be able to pick and choose which ones we want, whereas those in America seem to have always had the unfortunate task of collecting three of four big boxes with a bunch of seemingly random films in them. So, from an international point of view, constraining us to buying either a boxset or nothing is not going to go down too well. It laso limits the number of units a shop can carry, considering the amount of space it will take up, which won't please retailers.

Here's to hoping that MGM really do go out on a limb for the fans and casual buyers alike and try to please everyone.
post #103 of 313
Speaking of CASINO ROYALE, when is MGM going to get off their butts and do a proper adaptation of this for the big screen (a serious version, mind you). Sure, the plot as it appears in the book wouldn't be the most exciting action movie, but it would be easy to spruce it up and still retain the core of the plot.

Heck, an extended card playing sequence, where the stakes are much higher than just a night of fun, placed in the middle of the movie could be fairly exciting.
post #104 of 313
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I'll hold off if these new ones are less than a year away...


Not to be a crank, but is there any hard evidence that the Bond movies will be re-issued on R1 DVDs again?

I'm also missing a few titles and all this talk is making me reconsider picking them up.

As you know, Thunderball is going for $30 on Ebay.

Is all this re-issue talk just speculation?
post #105 of 313
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Speaking of CASINO ROYALE, when is MGM going to get off their butts and do a proper adaptation of this for the big screen (a serious version, mind you). Sure, the plot as it appears in the book wouldn't be the most exciting action movie, but it would be easy to spruce it up and still retain the core of the plot.

tarantino wants to but its up 2 eon
post #106 of 313
I don't know how this will affect the restoration efforts of the Bond franchise and subsequent re-release, but Sony now owns MGM and whatever library Warner Brothers/Turner did not aquire. Columbia/TriStar/MGM/Sony Classics will now be known as Sony Pictures.

The next time you see Bond may very well be on Blu-Ray as it is scheduled to launch late next year if Sony and their followers have their way.

Dan
post #107 of 313
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Wasn't there talk of a rerelease for Never Say Never Again? I seem to remember that the NSNA DVD was somehow edited and wasn't complete. I have it but haven't watched it yet, so I can't say. Who put this disc out? Was it Warner or MGM? The disc and package give no indication.

Also, how much of the ending of the TV Casino Royale is missing from the MGM DVD? I think MGM did a nice job with the Casino disc, including the movie, a 20 min documentary, the trailer, and the TV version from the 1950s.
post #109 of 313
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4) OHMSS and Licence to Kill are going to have be uncut.


What has been cut from the region 1 versions?
post #110 of 313
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What has been cut from the region 1 versions?


Actually footage is missing from all regions:

OHMSS is missing:
- the shot of the shadow of a cable car moving across a cliff side when Bond's helper is climbing a cliff
- right after Telly Savalas delivers the line, "Tracy, don't be so proud. Your father's own business is not entirely within the law," it cuts to Bond and Draco in the helicopter, completely cutting the line "His brotherhood also have exotic ways of keeping it a closed shop"
- after the stock car race, when Tracy says "We didn't even stop for the prize," Bond's line "I told you that crowd would discourage them" has also been cut.

Licence to Kill is missing various extra shots of gore, when Felix gets thrown to the shark and when the guy explodes in the pressure chamber. Apparently TV showings here in England have shown extra bits.
post #111 of 313
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Licence to Kill is missing various extra shots of gore, when Felix gets thrown to the shark and when the guy explodes in the pressure chamber. Apparently TV showings here in England have shown extra bits.

Dave, isn't 'Licence to Kill' also missing some of the violence from the beginning when Sanchez takes care of the guy that he finds with Lupe? I remember it having more gore when they cut his heart out and it seems like they edited some of the screams. Is my memory playing tricks on me or is that footage missing?
post #112 of 313
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Wasn't there talk of a rerelease for Never Say Never Again? I seem to remember that the NSNA DVD was somehow edited and wasn't complete. I have it but haven't watched it yet, so I can't say. Who put this disc out? Was it Warner or MGM? The disc and package give no indication.

MGM puts out NSNA but it's not marked. They actually did re-release a fixed version. You could send in the disc with the missing footage for exchange or buy a new one from the store. The re-release will have three asterisks on either side of the words Never Say Never Again on the white label on the top of the case. The old version will have no asterisks.

The missing footage from the Casino Royale television episode is available on the VHS version. You can find it on Ebay or www.spyguise.com may still have it.
post #113 of 313
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Dave, isn't 'Licence to Kill' also missing some of the violence from the beginning when Sanchez takes care of the guy that he finds with Lupe? I remember it having more gore when they cut his heart out and it seems like they edited some of the screams. Is my memory playing tricks on me or is that footage missing?


There's many versions of this film that have been released but found this:

Jump to the bit about 'Cuts'

and this:

http://www.deadkenny.co.uk/bondcuts.htm
post #114 of 313
Thanks for the links, Dave. Good information.
post #115 of 313
I can confirm that Dave's second link above (i.e. http://www.deadkenny.co.uk/bondcuts.htm ) gives the most accurate information for OHMSS and especially LTK.

The cuts to OHMSS are as follows ( the cuts apply to all regions, sadly):


It's pretty much as Dave says -

- the shot of the shadow of a cable car moving across a cliff side when Bond's helper is climbing a cliff

- right after Telly Savalas delivers the line, "Tracy, don't be so proud. Your father's own business is not entirely within the law," it cuts to Bond and Draco in the helicopter, completely cutting the line "His brotherhood also have exotic ways of keeping it a closed shop"

- after the stock car race, when Tracy says "We didn't even stop for the prize," Bond's line "I told you that crowd would discourage them" is now over an exterior shot of the car, not of Bond and Tracey, as originally seen (the shot of Bond and Tracey is lost as a consequence).


The cuts to LTK as follows (again these cuts apply to all regions ):

1) There is an extra shot seen from under the water which conifrms that Felix has lost one of his legs to the shark. The bloody stump is seen, as is what is left of the leg.

2) Krest's head is seen to expand still further then explode during the decompression sequence.

3)As Dario is slowly dragged into the grinder, more gore can be seen shooting out through the blades and his death throes are also more graphic.

4)As we watch Sanchez burn to death, he falls to his knees, flailing and screaming, then collapses.

It is strange how these four shots significantly change the tone of the film as a whole. Change it for the better in my opinion - violence is clearly seen to have consequences here and even the villains now gain our sympathy before they die. This is important for us, since it better enables us to understand just how far Bond has been pushed and also how he is able to turn off his emotions at will. I would ask MGM to seriously consider reinserting this footage.
post #116 of 313
I am really, really looking forward to the new dvd's. The rumored date is October of 2005. They will have new video transfers for all of the films. In addition the audio on Dr. No through The Man With The Golden Gun will be new 5.1. The original audio tracks will also be included.

It seems that the original extras will be included. There will also be new extras on the discs as well.

The following article link has info and several related articles to this project.


http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/articl...ons.php3?t=&s=

Hope this helps!!
post #117 of 313
Trouble is, these new versions were intended to tie in with the release of the new film. But that's now not going to happen until late in 2006 so will these discs still be out next year?

5.1 remixes are not necessarily a good thing. The 5.1 track on Moonraker, for example, is awful. You have to crank it right up to hear the finer details and then the dialogue is distorted. I much prefer the raw, vibrant original tracks.

DTS, on the other hand, now that would be something!

Count me in with those that want to see Licence To Kill uncut.

John
post #118 of 313
Remember guys that Sony bought the MGM library and studio holdings so it may be that their ideas for the Bond franchise will be different.

I wouldn't put it past them to release these new High Def. restorations and remixes on Blu-Ray in 2006 with better than DTS audio... Blu-Ray can do uncompressed LPCM at 24/96 and above.

Dan
post #119 of 313
The reason Moonraker may sound bad is the 5.1 track dates from the circa 1997 Laserdisc re-issue, at a time when 5.1 remixes were still in their infancy.

The other possibility is that it's a direct transfer of the original 70mm 6 track elements (I believe Moonraker was also the first Bond in Dolby Stereo - Spy who loved me was just stereo), in which case any disappointment with the audio quality lies with the original mix and is therefore as original, raw and vibrant as it gets!

In all honesty I don't think any of the pre-goldeneye bonds sound very good - or as good as they should in terms of fidelity. Spy who loved me through to Licence to Kill should be remixed from original elements by Mi Casa for the truly ultimate edition - in addition to their original 2.0 tracks.

I'd also be interested to see what happens with Octopussy as this was in 70mm 6 track as well and yet was the only post-spy who loved me Bond not too have a 5.1 mix - just plain Dolby Surround.

M
post #120 of 313
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In all honesty I don't think any of the pre-goldeneye bonds sound very good - or as good as they should in terms of fidelity. Spy who loved me through to Licence to Kill should be remixed from original elements by Mi Casa for the truly ultimate edition - in addition to their original 2.0 tracks.

Agreed. Goldeneye is the first of the Bond films to really showcase the abilities of DD 5.1. Goldeneye does a good job of balancing the fine line between using the surrounds and abusing the surrounds. For example, the sounds of the swirling winter winds above the underground Russian monitoring station in Goldeneye is an audio pleasure.
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