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KILL BILL: The multiple versions thread (6 from Miramax; Japanese, SEs, etc.)

post #1 of 275
4/20/04 at 9:12am
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From today's New York Times:

"Miramax is planning to release a half-dozen different DVD editions related to "Kill Bill."

"This is the beauty of having two volumes," said Rick Sands, chief operating officer at Miramax. " `Vol. 1' goes out, `Vol. 2' goes out, then `Vol. 1 Special Edition,' `Vol. 2 Special Edition,' the two-pack, then the Tarantino collection as a boxed set out for Christmas. It's called multiple bites at the apple. And you multiply this internationally." Mr. Tarantino has also cut an alternate version of the movie for Japan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/20/mo...=all&position=


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We knew it was envitable, but it just seems wrong when you read the marketing strategy in print.

Let the gnashing of teeth begin.
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post #2 of 275
4/20/04 at 9:14am
At least you know about it before they get released (except for Vol. 1, of course). A little patience will keep the "double dipping" to a minimum.
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post #3 of 275
4/20/04 at 9:17am
I too appreciate advanced word of the upcoming versions. Empowering the consumer to make the choice that is right for him ahead of time is a good thing.

However Mr. Sands' apparent tone (he seems to relish the multiple bites at the apple) doesn't help promote a positive image with regards to "money grubbing studio execs". Can't believe the PR person let those comments out...
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post #4 of 275
4/20/04 at 9:22am
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...then the Tarantino collection as a boxed set out for Christmas.


Wow!

I wonder how many titles I'll be double-dipping on with this?
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post #5 of 275
4/20/04 at 9:35am
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I too appreciate advanced word of the upcoming versions. Empowering the consumer to make the choice that is right for him ahead of time is a good thing.


Ya, the information comes out AFTER Volume 1 DVD gets released though.

Plus, most people wouldn't come across this information on the web and not everyone reads the NY Times.

Sorry, but QT and Miramax are milking it for all it's worth.
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post #6 of 275
4/20/04 at 9:42am
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"This is the beauty of having two volumes," said Rick Sands, chief operating officer at Miramax. " `Vol. 1' goes out, `Vol. 2' goes out, then `Vol. 1 Special Edition,' `Vol. 2 Special Edition,' the two-pack, then the Tarantino collection as a boxed set out for Christmas. It's called multiple bites at the apple. And you multiply this internationally."


I can just picture this guy salivating at the prospect of raking in all that moolah.

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post #7 of 275
4/20/04 at 9:53am
You call this crazy... meanwhile how many releases of Lord of the Rings have there been?

Fellowship Theatrical Fullscreen
Fellowship Theatrical Widescreen
Fellowship Extended Edition
Fellowship Extended Edition Box set

Two Towers Theatrical Fullscreen
Two Towers Theatrical Widescreen
Two Towers Extended Edition
Two Towers Extended Edition Box set

Return of the King Theatrical Fullscreen
Return of the King Theatrical Widescreen
Return of the King Extended Edition
Return of the King Extended Edition Box set

Lord of the Rings - Theatrical versions Boxset
Lord of the Rings - Extended Edition boxset (surely coming)

And there's also a bunch of 3rd party offshoots (Nat'l Geographic specials, etc...)


Therefore I can buy every version of Kill Bill and not get mocked LOL
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post #8 of 275
4/20/04 at 10:00am
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...the two-pack, then the Tarantino collection as a boxed set out for Christmas.
I wonder if this means there'll be one version with the two parts edited into one, followed by the same thing packaged into a boxed set w/other Tarantino movies?

All I want is a version w/both parts edited into one. Don't care as much about the extras.
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post #9 of 275
4/20/04 at 10:02am
As long as I can get a two-pack of special editions for both volumes, with no bigger/re-edited editions coming out afterwards (different packaging excepted, a la "Tarantino box set," which would likely include the Miramax Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown SEs that I already own), I'll be happy.
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post #10 of 275
4/20/04 at 10:31am
This ain't double-dipping, it's a bath!
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post #11 of 275
4/20/04 at 10:45am
Sounds nice. I didn't pick up the Volume 1 DVD because I wanted to pick up a boxset of the two volumes. Now it's just a matter of waiting for the "ultimate" boxset, the "Tarantino boxset". I'm guessing that's the one most people will want to pick up, as it should probably contain both films in 2-disc versions.
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post #12 of 275
4/20/04 at 11:02am
For LOTR, Widescreen and Fool Screen don't count as two releases, and the Extended Edition is included in the Box set, so I really don't see New Line milking the franchise as much as money-grubbing Miramax is...
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post #13 of 275
4/20/04 at 11:11am
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For LOTR, Widescreen and Fool Screen don't count as two releases
Why not? They have different UPCs
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post #14 of 275
4/20/04 at 11:37am
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Why not? They have different UPCs

I'd say that they don't count as seperate releases since you'd never be in the least bit tempted to pick them up.

I must admit, I am already wondering what the special editions will include that will be different from the theatrical editions and the Tarantino edition. If Tarantino does an extensive recut to work volumes 1 and 2 together then the previous editions might be the only way to see the theatrical versions. It would be nice if they included the theatrical versions in the Tarantino box set, but somehow I suspect they won't. CHA-CHING!!!
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post #15 of 275
4/20/04 at 11:40am
I picked up Kill Bill 1 because it was on sale for $11.99 and I'll do the same for #2. Then I'll wait for him to put the film back together before I buy it again.
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post #16 of 275
4/20/04 at 11:49am
I can find nothing wrong with what New Line did with LoTR. There was plenty of advanced news, not just on the 'net, but on ragshows like ET and Extra, Variety, etc. Anyone who cared to know had access to the info.
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post #17 of 275
4/20/04 at 11:54am
How's it going everybody, new here.

So:

Vol. 1: 16.99
Vol. 2: 16.99
Vol. 1 SE: 19.99
Vol. 2 SE: 19.99
Vol. 1 & Vol. 2 two-pack: 34.99
Tarantino Collection: 49.99

TOTAL 'BILLS': $159

So do you think this Vol. 1 & Vol 2 two-pack is just a repackaging of the Special Editions or whole new content and box, etc.?
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post #18 of 275
4/20/04 at 12:36pm
Seems like overkill to me - but at least they didn't wait until KBV2 had been released to make the announcement.

I'll wait for the version where the 2 are combined into one movie.
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post #19 of 275
4/20/04 at 12:50pm
I picked up Kill Bill 1 because it was on sale for $11.99 and I'll do the same for #2.


Wow; where'd you find it at that price? I just used a rental because I'd have had to drive 40 mins to pick it up for almost $16 or get it online for that price. If I'd bought it online I wouldn't have been able to watch it again before seeing Kill Bill volume 2.

I knew ther were going to be multiple DVD releases of Kill Bill well before KBv1 came out on DVD. Then again, I'm on this board almost every day. Tarantino has already said the Japanese edit will be available in the US at some point. I'm not sure how I feel about a cut that has both volumes back as one film again. If anyting, it would probably be a little shorter. My biggest concern is whether they'll try to cram it all on one disc or not. It could probably be done, but at what cost compression-wise? If they split it to 2 discs it almost defeats the purpose.

I think I'll pick up the current DVD release and first KB2 release for cheap used at BBV or Movie Gallery. I would have snatched KB up for 11.99 had I had the opportunity though!
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post #20 of 275
4/20/04 at 1:05pm
Who couldn't 'quess' Vol. 1 & 2, would be released together?
The shocker's are the the SE's (I thought the 1 & 2 set, would be the SE), The Tarantino Set (All of his movies???), and the Japanese Version (can't buy the 1 & 2, till I find out what's this is about).
Only good thing is, and this may be a bit kind hearted, is that there is a KB for everyone & every price point.
However, if your a fan of this film, this is going too HURT!!!
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post #21 of 275
4/20/04 at 1:52pm
I just hope the two-pack comes out at the same time as the Vol2 stand-alone.
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post #22 of 275
4/20/04 at 1:52pm
Just give me Vol. 2 in a DVD comparable to Vol. 1 for ~$16 and I'll be happy. They can keep all the subsequent versions.
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post #23 of 275
4/20/04 at 2:09pm
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`Vol. 1' goes out

Bought it
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`Vol. 2' goes out
I'll buy it.
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`Vol. 1 Special Edition

I'll buy it.
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`Vol. 2 Special Edition
I'll buy it.
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the two-pack
Hmmm. Depends on if we get any new stuff.
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the Tarantino collection as a boxed set out for Christmas

Also depends on if we get any new stuff or if the box is just really really cool looking.
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Mr. Tarantino has also cut an alternate version of the movie for Japan
That's a no-brainer. I'll buy it.
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post #24 of 275
4/20/04 at 2:20pm
Unless there's some changes to the movie itself a la the LOTR EEs, it doesn't seem like it would make much sense for them to release a Vol. 2 stand-alone and a Vol. 2 SE. They certainly wanted to get a Vol. 1 disc out there in time for Vol. 2 hitting the theaters, but what would be the point of two different DVD releases of Vol. 2 if the version of the movie doesn't change from one to the other? Maybe the Miramax COO was just thinking out loud.
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post #25 of 275
4/20/04 at 2:49pm
I will wait for the super duper box set as there are plenty of other movies I want to buy
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post #26 of 275
4/20/04 at 3:36pm
I dont think we really know what these will be yet. The Special Editions could be the Japanese cuts. The Two pack could be special edition vol 1 and 2 together. And then the Tarantino boxset would probably be all of the Miramax movies together in one set with nothing new.
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post #27 of 275
4/20/04 at 5:22pm
And don't forget how bloody long we're gonna have to wait for these things. KB1 took 6 months to come out on dvd. So let's have KB2 coming out in October, or thereabouts, then the limited theatrical release of the combined Japanese cut, which I believe is in summer (?), then the single volume special editions, which will probably come out on the same day (imagine the confusion), first quarter of next year at the earliest, if KB2 barebones is being released this 4th quarter. Throw on another 6 months or so, and then the Japanese/combined edit in maybe summer 2005 or christmas 2005. And this is an accelerated timeline, i don't expect them to be turning out editions that fast.

For a minute there, I thought Anchor Bay owned Kill Bill!
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post #28 of 275
4/20/04 at 5:48pm
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Fellowship Theatrical Fullscreen
Fellowship Theatrical Widescreen
Fellowship Extended Edition
Fellowship Extended Edition Box set

Two Towers Theatrical Fullscreen
Two Towers Theatrical Widescreen
Two Towers Extended Edition
Two Towers Extended Edition Box set

Return of the King Theatrical Fullscreen
Return of the King Theatrical Widescreen
Return of the King Extended Edition
Return of the King Extended Edition Box set

Lord of the Rings - Theatrical versions Boxset
Lord of the Rings - Extended Edition boxset (surely coming)


Lol! Releasing a Widescreen and Fullscreen edition is hardly "double dipping" (Also to be fair: The Extended Editions and Ext Ed Box Sets were released at the same time and they didn't expect anyone to buy both! )

And since the Theatrical Edition boxset offers nothing new then really you're left with:

Fellowship Theatrical
Fellowship Extended Edition / Box Set

Two Towers Theatrical
Two Towers Extended Edition / Box set

Return of the King Theatrical
Return of the King Extended Edition / Box set

Which is cool by me!

Kill Bill seems to have managed to have invented 5 versions based on two (or is it ONE) film(s) (if the salivating person quoted is anything to go by). LotR only managed 6 versions from three films!
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post #29 of 275
4/20/04 at 7:54pm
i will keep watching my downloaded copy until a Kill Bill DVD comes out that interests me. the current DVD, even though its tempting at 9.99 after rebate, is not enough for me to upgrade my freebie.

also i probably will not buy a DVD version with a B/W House Of Blue Leaves scene. IMO the whole impact of the scene is lost and dropped my rating of the film from 9.5 (.5 taken off for the lame scene with vivica a fox) to an 8. total puss out from QT. or brilliant marketing move. movie fan my ass, hes a huckster. miramaxe is the perfect place for him.
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post #30 of 275
4/20/04 at 8:20pm
Man, that's bad. Well now I know what to get. The two-pack I assume will be nothing more then a single box containing the two SEs (similar to how you can buy the three theatrical cuts of Lord of the Rings separately or in one box, but the same editions), and I would think the QT box will be a re-edit into a single movie, so that's what I'll target. The SEs I'm figuring will be like X-men 1.5 or the 2 disc version of Master and Commander, same cut of the movies, but with more extensive bonus content.

I am glad I didn't buy the current release of KB1 (didn't have the money at the time), cause now I can simply get the SE release of each individual part for the theatrical cuts.
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