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post #61 of 157
2/24/09 at 9:19am
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Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

The most recent update I have from a few days ago is not anytime
soon.

I hate to keep pounding on the fact that the studio wants to get
this title out, but I have a feeling most of you have lost faith in that.

There is a legitimate reason for the continued holdup. I promise
once this title is finally released I will be able to talk more about it.

All I can again say is that the studio has not abandoned this title.
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post #62 of 157
2/24/09 at 1:47pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Bummer, I saw Ron had posted in this thread again and got my hopes up this was finally a release date.
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post #63 of 157
2/25/09 at 5:02am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

I for one am certainly interested in "WHY" this title is not out! When the story is finally told, I'll be reading about it with bated breath.
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post #64 of 157
2/25/09 at 7:14pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

I've been dying to see a proper release of this also. I'll bet there's a rights problem. Maybe something to do with the Ray Charles song at the end? It's also possible that they simply can't find a good print of the movie, though I think it's unlikely.
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post #65 of 157
2/26/09 at 10:13am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

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Originally Posted by scribe1964
I've been dying to see a proper release of this also. I'll bet there's a rights problem. Maybe something to do with the Ray Charles song at the end? It's also possible that they simply can't find a good print of the movie, though I think it's unlikely.

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The most recent update I have from a few days ago is not anytime
soon.

I hate to keep pounding on the fact that the studio wants to get
this title out, but I have a feeling most of you have lost faith in that.

There is a legitimate reason for the continued holdup. I promise
once this title is finally released I will be able to talk more about it.

All I can again say is that the studio has not abandoned this title.

Only a very, very few know what is going on with the release delay.
I'm going to take a wild guess & guess that perhaps WB is waiting for the 35th or 40th anniversary, since the 30th has come and gone. I only hope to still be alive when the sun shines on this title.
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post #66 of 157
2/26/09 at 10:52am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

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I'm going to take a wild guess & guess that perhaps WB is waiting for the 35th or 40th anniversary, since the 30th has come and gone. I only hope to still be alive when the sun shines on this title.

I hope you're wrong about this. I don't want to wait until 2012 or 2017 to get this!
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post #67 of 157
2/26/09 at 12:41pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

I thought it was Billy Preston, not Ray Charles, who sang the song.
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post #68 of 157
2/26/09 at 1:26pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

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I thought it was Billy Preston, not Ray Charles, who sang the song.

You may be right. It's been 30 years or so since I've seen the movie.
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post #69 of 157
2/26/09 at 6:18pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Quote:
Originally Posted by scribe1964
I hope you're wrong about this. I don't want to wait until 2012 or 2017 to get this!

I hope that I'm DEAD wrong!

Unfortunately, those in the KNOW won't talk, so we're left to make wild guesses.
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post #70 of 157
2/27/09 at 2:25am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

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Originally Posted by Jeff_HR
I hope that I'm DEAD wrong!

Unfortunately, those in the KNOW won't talk, so we're left to make wild guesses.
Perhaps in our next chat with Warner coming soon, you can ask Warner yourself about this title.






Crawdaddy
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post #71 of 157
2/27/09 at 6:19am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
Perhaps in our next chat with Warner coming soon, you can ask Warner yourself about this title.






Crawdaddy
Well Crawdaddy, if I can be guaranteed the ability to ask a question & I'm available, I'd ask away. That, of course, doesn't stop somone else from asking! But I suspect that those ULTIMATE persons in the know would be equally secretive about the info. In that case we the people "out of the know" would more than likely gain little if any info about a release date &/or DVD/BD specs and we would waste a valuable question.
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post #72 of 157
3/24/09 at 7:56am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

So no one could manage to put the question to WB as to when we'll see a release of this title, or even get a bit of info about it. TOO BAD!

So I guess the greatest mystery in the history of Home Video continues on!

(I'm unable to take part in chats during the early evening due to working hours, so I could not spring the question)
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post #73 of 157
3/24/09 at 9:01am
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Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

I purposely avoided the question.

I did not want to put the studio on the spot to a question they
are not yet ready to answer.

There's little I can add to what I have said already. The situation
with this film is complicated at the moment. However, as of this
week the studio has actually moved an inch or two forward from
where it has been in getting this title out.

That's not to say a release is imminent, but it does show that the
title is still very much on the mind of the studio to get out to you ASAP.
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post #74 of 157
3/24/09 at 10:00am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Quote:
There's little I can add to what I have said already. The situation
with this film is complicated at the moment. However, as of this
week the studio has actually moved an inch or two forward from
where it has been in getting this title out.

That's not to say a release is imminent, but it does show that the
title is still very much on the mind of the studio to get out to you ASAP.
In an attempt to "read" between the lines, I see the complicated aspect as being a rights issue. Either a music &/or ownership of the story elements. I guess an inch forward movement is better then none or backwards.

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That's not to say a release is imminent
If it is NOT imminent, then WB wanting to put it out ASAP seems IMHO to be a bit confusing. Oh well, I'm guessing if I don't see this in the next 12 to 18 months, then I may NEVER see it in my life.

Thanks for the info that things moved "forward" an inch.
I'll sure be interested in the story of this title's journey to video release. It ought to be a WHOOPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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post #75 of 157
3/24/09 at 10:04am
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Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

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If it is NOT imminent, then WB wanting to put it out ASAP seems IMHO to be a bit confusing

No it's not.

If the studio could, it would have been out two years ago.

This is a title that has always been on their front burner. The
most current news I am hearing is positive, but only small steps
in the overall scheme of getting this title out.
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post #76 of 157
4/15/09 at 3:57pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

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If the studio could, it would have been out two years ago.

To me that sounds more & more like the film is in "Rights" Hell!!

If I were to place a bet, I'd bet that the opening song is part of any "Rights" Hell that this film "might" be in.

Maybe I should hire a SPY!
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post #77 of 157
4/16/09 at 6:11am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Sounds to me like the aborted and abortive releases of BOOMERANG. If it does come out, I hope that the commentary explains the situation. Warner Bros. is bringing out TELEFON next month and that is also based on a book by Walter Wager.
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post #78 of 157
5/20/09 at 7:53pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

I've seen three different versions of the film and none of them were proper (as far as aspect ratios and such are concerned). Hope Warners gets it right if they do get it out.

On a sidenote, in an interview I read, Aldrich said the initial theatrical release to have been 2 hours and 27 minutes long and that the cut he did for TV was 143-144 minutes. Might be a memory failure on his part, but I found it interesting (this was certainly after he had cut the Vera Miles scenes, which I'd like to see as DVD extras, if possible).
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post #79 of 157
5/27/09 at 4:14am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Ach!

Just watched a German trailer (from the Japanese DVD) for the movie, and it would appear as if some scenes (such as cutting wires in the silo (which I kinda felt was missing from the film and had thought, "wouldn't it be great if...") and Lancaster making faces while opening the safe etc.) are missing from the VHS release by CBS FOX.

I was also watching an all-widescreen version missing about 1 hour of footage and noted differences in music pacings, start and end credits, dialogue coherency at different scenes...

The version released by CBS FOX Video runs for ca 144 minutes. IMDB says full running time is 146, which I am forced to at least slightly doubt, given the quote by Aldrich (though he also stated it being 2 hours 23 minutes long during the same year, not referring to either TV or theatrical versions).

Confusing? No way!

But it leaves me to wildly guess that Home Video releases so far are editions cut for television. Not that it makes any sense, because the director suspected that profanity caused the loss of a few minutes on the TV version, which led to the 143-144 min. runtime.


Edit: credit runs appear to be the same, after all.
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post #80 of 157
5/27/09 at 3:55pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

But I reckon this sums it up pretty well:


Q: What's the story behind Twilight's Last Gleaming? The French version was severely cut.

A: First off, I should never have made that film.


- The interview, conducted in 1983, has, by the way, been translated into French and from French back into English (the one with this one question, that is. The rest of the quotes or references to them are from two separate interviews from 1977).
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post #81 of 157
5/27/09 at 4:45pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

I wasn't even born when this film was theatrically released, but then again, according to Elonet.fi, in Finland it was cut to 125 minutes by Jerker A. Eriksson (love that first name) and then again in 1989 (if even released) to 2 hours. I hardly even find it a mystery that it "died".

I'd be glad if anyone who saw it upon its original release could confirm the scenes I described in my second post, but find it hard to believe that anyone could remember such fine detail, had they not worked closely with the film.

I'm having a feeling I'm getting out of touch now. I'll just stop, then.
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post #82 of 157
8/31/09 at 1:23pm
Ron,

Amy recent news? Thanks for sharing.

Bob Engleman
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post #83 of 157
8/31/09 at 1:46pm
Thread Starter 
No, nothing that I have heard further than post #75 above. 
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post #84 of 157
12/23/09 at 10:27pm
Well I'm back again to pester & needle & infuriate. When IS the film coming to DVD &/or BD??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Over all the LENGTHY time that this POTENTIAL disc release has been discussed, I've been racking my brain trying to coming up with JUST 1 decent reason for this ENDLESS delay. I've been unable to discover any JUSTIFIABLE reason for any further delay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wait - I know why it is delayed! WB had such success with "House of Wax" that they want to do it in REAL 3D - which means Holographic! So that means NO RELEASE until the 22nd century!
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post #85 of 157
12/23/09 at 10:45pm
I am sure it will be announced as a archieve Title in the future, as Warner isn't really doing much in the way of catalog titles anymore,
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post #86 of 157
12/25/09 at 11:54pm
 

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I am sure it will be announced as a archieve Title in the future, as Warner isn't really doing much in the way of catalog titles anymore


Well Sir! That remark certainly flies in the face of what Mr Epstein has been saying all along. Or has WB been lying to him all along? Hmm....??
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post #87 of 157
12/26/09 at 1:21am
It was no disrespect to Ron, and I was just being realistic, as WB has been throwing alot of titles that were promised a retail DVD editions, only to appear in the Archieve program (like FREEBIE AND THE BEAN, DONT BEAFRAID OF THE DARK, I recall in the WB chat was stated as "being in the work"), so I am not getting my hopes up. Of course, if it does appear as a retail disc, that'll be great news as well.
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post #88 of 157
12/26/09 at 4:21am
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No disrespect taken.

I don't have an update for you. I did recently meet with
Warner for other purposes than discussing upcoming
release dates.  

I don't know what to tell all of you at this point.  The
situation regarding TLG has probably not changed as
far as reasons delaying its release.  While I do not
personally think this title will end up as an archive
release, I am very uncertain about the future of classic
titles like these.

I am in a difficult position here because I have been 
the voice of the studio for the past two years on this
title as well as The Bowery Boys releases.  Because
there are lengthy backstories to the delayed status
of both these titles and because I want to respect my
sources, I have always had to be very limited in what
I can say to all of you.  Of course, that doesn't
exactly make me look reputable when plans aren't
executed in the timeframe that was discussed.

Really, I am walking on eggshells here trying to 
say only what I can in order to keep your trust that
there were definitive plans in place to get these titles
out as regular releases.   All of you need to know that
because of our consistent attempts to bring these 
titles up in forum posts and studio chats, Warner made
a real effort to ramp up the releases.

What has happened over the past year at the 
studios is very frightening.  The studios have made
huge cuts in staffing.  We saw it first hand when we
visited a few of them nearly two weeks ago. There 
are more empty cubicles than working people.  In 
addition, the studios have scaled back on many
previously planned projects.  This is the result of 
a bad economy.  As with most every job out there
these days, there are less people doing more.  
Attitudes have changed from the top on down and
titles that were on the front burner a year ago are
being reconsidered as far as their sale value.

I have to stress to all of you that this is merely
my opinion based on what I have observed.  There
has been a significant revamp within the studio Home
Entertainment divisions and I think all of you are
witnessing the fallout with some of these titles you
thought were going to be released over the past year.

I am not saying TLG or THE BOWERY BOYS are
not being released.  That was never relayed to me.
Just for the fact that prep has begun on both releases
tells me that there is still significant interest in getting
them out.   I just think (and this is my opinion) that 
under the current climate the studio is probably initiating
a "wait and see" attitude on these titles mainly because
they were planned for mainstream release rather than
being delegated to the archive series.  
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post #89 of 157
12/27/09 at 9:48pm

Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

I don't know which studio has this title (originally
released on VHS under KEY VIDEO), but I would love
to see Twilight's Last Gleaming released to DVD.
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post #90 of 157
12/28/09 at 9:41am
"Wait & See". Hmm.... I think "WAIT" is the operative word here.
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