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post #31 of 157
3/10/08 at 8:36pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

I would be happy with the DVD, but would be overjoyed if TLG made its way to Blu-ray.
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post #32 of 157
4/4/08 at 9:44am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

I just stumbled on this thread as I'm cleaning up and going through some old movie tapes from off HBO to see what I can get rid of. Not this one apparently. There are a lot of great 70s movies yet to come out - Badge 373Report to the Commissioner, 92 in the Shade, Sky Riders, Fast Break, Freebie and the Bean. What gives?
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post #33 of 157
4/4/08 at 10:17am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

I stll want "Twilight's last Gleaming" out the door ASAP, but I'll take "Report to the Commissioner" too!
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post #34 of 157
6/22/08 at 8:26am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Well how much LONGER is WB going to sit on this title? When are the "Highly" paid executives going to figure out a date to release this title. One chance has already been lost when it was not released with the Lancaster box. How many "YEARS" must we wait? I don't want to be dead & buried when it gets released.
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post #35 of 157
6/22/08 at 11:28am
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Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Jeff,

First of all, do us all a favor and downsize your signature
font considerably, please.

Okay....

Listen, I am perhaps one of the biggest fans of this film which
kind of puts you in a fortunate position since I have been continually
talking with the studio regarding this title.

As far as I know the situation that is holding up this title's release
has not changed. Warner has the opportunity to do something better
with this release but it means that they need to further delay it. That
is all I can say.

The title has not been forgotten.
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post #36 of 157
6/22/08 at 12:06pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

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Warner has the opportunity to do something better
with this release but it means that they need to further delay it. That
is all I can say.

The title has not been forgotten

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The only thing in my mind that really justifies a continued long term delay is if we're going to get a multi-disc extra packed Blu-Ray release. If there is no possible Blu-Ray release on the horizon, then get the title out the door!

I appreciate your info but....I have to wonder about the priority this title has in the scheme of things.

Again I can only internally justify & accept any further long term delay if we're going to get a restored multi-disc, extra packed Blu-Ray release.

But, who am I. Certainly not someone with any power & influence. Just a nameless, faceless citizen with a few $$ to spend on a movie.

So I just sit & wait..........................
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post #37 of 157
6/22/08 at 1:29pm
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Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Jeff,

I can't speak for the studio.

However, I say again that while this title is on their priority list
it needs to sit a while longer for reasons I would agree with
the studio to be necessary.
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post #38 of 157
11/10/08 at 5:37pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Ronald,

Any word on a possible release this year?

Thank you for your reply.

Bob Engleman
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post #39 of 157
11/10/08 at 6:05pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

I might as well chime in too, since I'e been quite vocal about my desire to see this title out the door ASAP! I was going to hold off for a couple more weeks before asking.

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I can only internally justify & accept any further long term delay if we're going to get a restored multi-disc, extra packed Blu-Ray release

As I said in a prior post, this is the only circumstance that I can accept for a long term delay. But of course, my voice is but one tiny one in the vast wilderness.
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post #40 of 157
11/11/08 at 1:33am
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Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Situation has not changed.

When this title is finally announced I hope I can talk a little
more about why it was held up for all this time.
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post #41 of 157
11/11/08 at 3:57am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

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I hope I can talk a little
more about why it was held up for all this time

Do you mean you will still be prevented from commenting EVEN after the title's release, whenever that will be, whether it is 2009 or somewhere far beyond? THX.
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post #42 of 157
11/11/08 at 4:32am

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Post removed by owner. No reason to introduce politics in this discussion
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post #43 of 157
11/17/08 at 10:11am

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post #44 of 157
11/17/08 at 11:20am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

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Originally Posted by AdrianTurner
Post removed by owner. No reason to introduce politics in this discussion

You're joking, mate! Censorship is alive and well on the HTF. You do realise this is Twilight's Last Gleaming we are talking about - one of the most politically subversive movies ever made in Hollywood - so to censor some politically ironic comments by me seems particularly inappropriate.
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post #45 of 157
11/17/08 at 11:56am
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Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Adrian,

Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Ron Epstein and I
am co-owner of this forum and the person solely responsible for
what you feel is the "censorship" of your posts to this forum.

Tell me, Adrian, when you registered here did you bother to read
the forum rules? I would assume you did since during the registration
process you pressed the OK button allowing you to continue and confirm
that you did.

So, for what reason did this thread deserve a controversial Obama comment
that had little to do with the direction this thread was following? Surely
you were aware that such a post is a violation of one of the strongest policies
we have in place concerning the discussion of religion or politics. Your recent
excuse for posting the comment was an absolute "stretch" as far as I am concerned.
Don't you think your comment perhaps would have invited further political discussion
from someone who might not have agreed with your statement?

So, after being aware of our policies (since you hit OK at signup)
you went ahead and posted a current controversial political comment
which when removed, you then publicly accuse us of censorship. I am certain
that since you are aware of the rules here, you knew that it might have been
better to take this matter up with me privately, but you didn't. Now I have the
need to make a public rebuttal which I rather would have avoided.

I hope all of this was a misunderstanding. I welcome you here, and it
is my hope that you will continue to be a member and respect the rules we
have in place. If you can't, then yes, I am afraid further posts may be "censored."

Thank You
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post #46 of 157
11/17/08 at 1:46pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

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Originally Posted by AdrianTurner
You're joking, mate!
No we're not. Here's another of those Rules you agreed to when you signed up:
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18. No public disagreements. Anyone arguing with a moderator regarding enforcement of forum rules and guidelines or disciplinary action will be immediately removed. This includes “indirect” argument, where a member vents about a moderator’s action being “unjustified”, “excessive”, etc.
Ron Epstein just gave you a huge break, more than I would have. Make the most of it.
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post #47 of 157
11/17/08 at 2:06pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Hey Ron, I know you said you can't tell us, but man. What is the big "secret" about the circumstances of the non-release of this title? This is more secret than the Zapruder Film and the Warren Commission Findings.

Can you give hints and/or even a rough estmiate of when things might change?
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post #48 of 157
11/17/08 at 2:21pm
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Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

I'm sorry, John, I really don't mean to create such a mystery
about the reasons this film has not been released as of yet.

The situation is, Warner knows how much this film means to me.
I campaigned to get this released many years ago. When it was
promised, and not delivered, Warner was very kind to call me and
explain the reasons for its delay.

I can't just come out in public and discuss those reasons -- especially
without the consent of the studio. The reason for creating this
"mystery" surrounding the delay was only a way of letting fans know
that the decision to release this film is still a priority with the studio.

When will they finally release this film? I don't know. I had thought
it would finally be out earlier this year with the Burt Lancaster set.
I ceased bothering the studio with questions regarding a release date
because I know there is a specific reason for them wanting to wait.

Believe me...I am just as frustrated over waiting so many years for
this title to see the light of day. However, I know the studio has been
looking at the film elements and they are very optimistic that they
have a potentially fine release on their hands.

I know they are reading this thread. Maybe they will allow me to
come out with a statement on their behalf. Otherwise, The only thing
I can recommend is to continue to post your interests in seeing this film
released. I would also bring it up at the next WB chat that should be
happening early next year. I think by that point they should have a better
idea of where they are situated with this title.
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post #49 of 157
11/17/08 at 2:43pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Ron, that's OK, and I wasn't trying to give you a hard time about it. Just wow, very mysterious. Hope we get it soon, maybe 2009.
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post #50 of 157
11/17/08 at 9:00pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Dear Ron and Michael - I am most desperately, heartfeltingly, grovellingly sorry and humbled, behaving as I was, like an Englishman with a sense of irony and humour and a general instinctive distrust of governments, banks and movie discussion forums. Rest assured that I will restrict any future postings to a discussion of release dates, aspect ratio, transfer quality etc.

Which brings me to Twilight's Last Gleaming. Will it get a blue-ray release?
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post #51 of 157
11/18/08 at 4:49am
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Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Adrian,

Thank You.

Well, we are still waiting for the announcement of a sDVD release
which is definitely in the pipeline, but currently being delayed.

My gut feeling (if that means anything) is that there will be
no BD release. I say that only because this is one of those niche
titles that I don't think the studio will feel deserves a BD release --
especially in a time where smaller classics aren't selling well in
the BD environment. But who knows? By the time this title finally
surfaces BD may be in higher gear and there may be a shift in
attitude towards films of this caliber.

Once again, a belated Welcome Aboard!
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post #52 of 157
11/18/08 at 11:29am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

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Well, we are still waiting for the announcement of a sDVD release
which is definitely in the pipeline, but currently being delayed.

My gut feeling (if that means anything) is that there will be
no BD release

Wonderful, some info.

From my POV, the only good reason for the continuing delay was a feature packed BD release. If Mr Epstein does believe that there will NOT be a BD release, I'll take that as pretty good info.

Since it appears we'll ONLY get a SD release, then my continuing position is to get it out the door!! Waiting for another Burt Lancaster set or the release of some other DVD is not from my POV a good enough reason to keep sitting on this title. Since it seems to be a SD release I'm REALLY hoping for it to be released real soon in another Region, like say Japan. In that case, I'll buy it from the other Region. I went thru this same situation with another title - "All That Jazz". I ended up buying it from the UK.
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post #53 of 157
11/19/08 at 4:15am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

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Originally Posted by Jeff_HR
Wonderful, some info.

From my POV, the only good reason for the continuing delay was a feature packed BD release. If Mr Epstein does believe that there will NOT be a BD release, I'll take that as pretty good info.

Since it appears we'll ONLY get a SD release, then my continuing position is to get it out the door!! Waiting for another Burt Lancaster set or the release of some other DVD is not from my POV a good enough reason to keep sitting on this title. Since it seems to be a SD release I'm REALLY hoping for it to be released real soon in another Region, like say Japan. In that case, I'll buy it from the other Region. I went thru this same situation with another title - "All That Jazz". I ended up buying it from the UK.
There are other good reasons beyond just waitng on a BD release. Just think about it.




Crawdaddy
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post #54 of 157
11/21/08 at 6:02pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
There are other good reasons beyond just waitng on a BD release. Just think about it.




Crawdaddy


Are you privy to the delay rationale?
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post #55 of 157
11/21/08 at 6:08pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

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Originally Posted by Jeff_HR
Are you privy to the delay rationale?
Yes, I'm aware of the reasoning.
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post #56 of 157
11/21/08 at 6:59pm

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

I was just a bit curious if it was ONLY a one Man secret.
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post #57 of 157
11/22/08 at 5:03am

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Originally Posted by Jeff_HR
I was just a bit curious if it was ONLY a one Man secret.
It's not a real secret if you think logically as to what would prevent a film's release onto DVD beyond marketing reasons.





Crawdaddy
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post #58 of 157
11/22/08 at 7:11am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Not sure if this is the reason or not but here it goes.

The film explores the how the military and politicians protect itself from the most dangerous threat of all – the truth. It also exposes one of the reasons that once we were in Vietnam, we found it so hard to get out.

This could be too much of a conspiracy theory on my part for even I to blame, but the film was produced by Lorimar Pictures and released by Allied Artists, which Lorimar purchased in 1980. Warner owns both companies through their purchase of Lorimar in 1989. So there should not be any who owns the right’s problem, however, I am not sure why Key Video (CBS/Fox) ended up releasing the VHS, unless that was their deal at the time since in 1978 Allied Artists was basically bankrupt and did not have a video arm.

So that leaves the only other reason, besides the conspiracy of not releasing a politically charged film during a similar conflict, that someone such as writer, author, producer, or actor has some rights to the film that cannot be cleared.
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post #59 of 157
11/22/08 at 1:40pm

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besides the conspiracy of not releasing a politically charged film

Be VERY careful!

Well it could be a rights problem. And in rights hell for forevermore.

Or an elements problem, & if it requires restoration, I can understand a very long delay especially since this is an old "catalog" film that doesn't appeal to the young adult & teen crowd that most Studios seem to cater to so much. If it is a case of continually looking for better elements (Like WB did with "King Kong" - 1933), there comes a point where you have to go with the best that you have & quit looking under every rock and pebble all over the globe & get it out the door.

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When it was
promised, and not delivered
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this film is still a priority with the studio
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Warner has the opportunity to do something better
with this release but it means that they need to further delay it

If this title is a "priority" with WB, it must not be a very high priority, otherwise IMHO they would have released it already - presumably with the Lancaster Set. What is "the opportunity to do something better"??!! Well IMHO that would have been multi-disc, extra packed Blu-Ray release. But Mr Epstein seems to have shot down that idea.

If it is a physical resources problem because WB is devoting all their resources to Recent Theatrical Release titles because all they wish to do is to appeal to the demographic that watches & buys those films AND not to the demographic that likes & buys older catalog titles - well in that case it could be buried in the vault forevermore or even killed.

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It's not a real secret if you think logically as to what would prevent a film's release onto DVD beyond marketing reasons

Well Mr Crawford seems IMO to be subtly hinting that the delay is NOT Marketing related. Marketing considerations cover a whole lot of territory & reasons for delays.

I don't know - my brain & way of reasoning logically has never been like other people and perhaps it is even deficient these days. To me info that is very closely held by a small number of people who don't spread the info about is a SECRET. I just hope I'm still alive to see this release.
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post #60 of 157
2/24/09 at 9:13am

Re: Please release "Twilight's Last Gleaming" (Warner Bros.?)

Ron,

Any new info on this title, you're in a position to share, would be appreciated.

Bob Engleman
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