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Any plans for Burton to make a sequel to Planet of the Apes?

post #1 of 48
3/21/04 at 10:24am
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Yes, I like BOTH the original Planet of the Apes movie with Charlton Heston and the retelling done by Tim Burton.

I was wondering though if there are any plans on the table for Burton to do the next installment?
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post #2 of 48
3/21/04 at 10:29am
Oh please, I hope not.
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post #3 of 48
3/21/04 at 11:15am
Oh please, I hope not.


only if he gets it right this time...otherwise, fuggedaboudit
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post #4 of 48
3/21/04 at 11:39am
I liked Planet of the apes (the new version) and I do hope another movie is made.
Of course I can't remember anything about the original Planet of the apes, so if there are any discrepencies, I don't know about them.
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post #5 of 48
3/21/04 at 11:43am
Please, please no. The remake just didn't work at all.
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post #6 of 48
3/21/04 at 12:11pm
Burton has said that if there is another one, he will not be involved (Commentary on the PotA DVD). Good move I think. And just for the recored I really liked Burton's version.
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post #7 of 48
3/21/04 at 1:20pm
The original sequels were pretty....um....awful if you ask me. Why you would want to remake them is beyond me. Besides I'm sure there are enough "atom-bomb worshipping cult" jokes in Futurama already.
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post #8 of 48
3/21/04 at 2:00pm
I'm sure any sequels to Burton's version will go in a different direction than the original's sequels, much like Burton's went away from the original itself.

I know the writer had a trilogy in mind, but the number crunching at Fox will ultimately decide if there's one or not.
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post #9 of 48
3/21/04 at 5:15pm
but the number crnching at Fox will ultimately decide if there's one or not.


Anyone know what the numbers on Burton's PoTA are ?

I thought his remake was original in many ways, but ended up falling apart under it's own weight.... Cool ending, but I can't see a sequel being built on that premise.
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post #10 of 48
3/21/04 at 5:26pm
According to IMDB, Burton's remake did $180,011,740 domestically and $178,900,000 outside the United States for a worldwide tally of $358,900,000.

I would be suprised if Fox didn't release another Planet of the Apes film, with or without Burton's involvment.
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post #11 of 48
3/21/04 at 5:41pm
Gotta love the rampant threadcrapping right away. I personally enjoyed the new PotA a lot, especially since I'm a die-hard Burton fan. It was weird and dark and a total mind-fuck of an ending. Hopefully a sequel in the same style (hopefully with Burton) is in the works.
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post #12 of 48
3/21/04 at 6:33pm
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The original sequels were pretty....um....awful if you ask me.
I would disagree. I thought both Escape and Conquest were excellent extensions of the orignal film.

Burton's film has serious diverged from the original through it's ending, so any sequel has got to head through brand new territory. I didn't think too highly of the remake and its joke twist ending, but if they have some creative way to use it, then maybe a good movie could be found.
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post #13 of 48
3/21/04 at 7:06pm
Unlikely. Burton had problems with the studio all throughout production, that and the trouble finding who would direct it, star in it, script and creative changes, etc, etc.

Burton seems pretty committed to several upcoming projects in teh next few years, that and I'm sure most people would not line up to see a sequel to POTA anyways. But who knows, it is Hollywood after all.....

I myself like the film quite a bit( I loved it when I first saw it) and have the 2-Disc DVD, which is still reference quality.
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post #14 of 48
3/22/04 at 1:14pm
Anyone know what the numbers on Burton's PoTA are ?


I think after the disappinting take with Tomb Raider 2, the traditional number crunching of diminishing returns will re-emerge.

In the last several years, sequels have been performing as well if not better. Traditionally they drop off in business, and I think that's the model Fox will be using to decide on a sequel. If the production will cost so much, and it can only be expected to bring in 70% of the original, is a sequel profitable?
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post #15 of 48
3/23/04 at 1:11am
I saw a bit of some E! special recently (maybe The E! True Hollywood Story?) and it was about Mark Wahlberg. I caught the part about Planet of the Apes, and was very amused at how clueless some people are.

A lady who had some connection to Wahlberg was being interviewed and said that the Planet of the Apes remake was a failure. Then she explains (something to the effect of) 'It didn't have Roddy McDowell, so no wonder that it didn't work.'

Have you gone mad?? I was surprised that 1. such a moronic comment was made by someone and 2. that the editors at E! actually used it.

Did anyone else see that bit?

Personally, I enjoyed all the Planet of the Apes films, and would love to see another one.

IMO, the best one is Beneath the Planet of the Apes - which, aside from clip from the first film, also does not feature Roddy McDowell.
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post #16 of 48
3/23/04 at 3:38am
PotA Burton is a retelling not a remake, just for facts' sake. Oyvey moy, you wanna talk about a bad remake? A scene by dreadful scene godawful remake is the Gus Van Sant 1998 Psycho. I urge everyone to steer clear of it.
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post #17 of 48
3/23/04 at 3:49am
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I thought the apes in the Burton film were far more of a threat than in the original. Again, I am a fan of BOTH films and can appreciate them for what they are.

The original had the trial going on and the only way they could even make a connection to apes was to have them walk around swaying from side to side. Other than the hunting, there was very little to consider them a real threat to humans.

In Burtons film, the movements of the apes were far more convincing as was the brute force in which they beat humans and each other.

But we are also talking about two different eras of movie making here and digital effects enable filmmakers to really stretch the bound of their imagination.
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post #18 of 48
3/23/04 at 9:32am
I have read that Mark Wahlberg once said that he didn't want to do a PotA sequel if Tim Burton wasn't involved. However, I think the big obstacle is coming up with a good paycheck to lure Mark back in and if FOX wants to do a sequel. I think I rather see another X-Files movie than a PotA sequel.

Be Seeing You,
David Blackwell
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post #19 of 48
3/23/04 at 10:00am
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I personally enjoyed the new PotA a lot, especially since I'm a die-hard Burton fan. It was weird and dark ...


This is precisely the reason I didn't care for PotA at all, BECAUSE I'm a die-hard Burton fan. This movie had Studio all over it and not a hint of Burton's typical Weirdness, Darkness or design flair that has so defined his prior career. I was certainly expecting weird and dark but instead got an incoherent mishmash of crappy soundstage sets and campy performances that could have come from ANY half-talented Hollywood hack working today. When I see a Tim Burton movie I expect to know, immediately -- from the stunning stage pieces to the creepy characters all the way down to the Danny Elfman score -- that it's a TIM BURTON MOVIE. This one really disappointed.
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post #20 of 48
3/23/04 at 11:36am
Hopefully, if only for more of Estella Warren in a bikini.

"Get your hands off her, you damn dirty ape!"
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post #21 of 48
3/23/04 at 12:42pm
I kinda liked the musical, but now that Troy McClure is no longer with us, I really can't see it being filmed in its entirety.
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post #22 of 48
3/23/04 at 12:49pm
Burton should stick to his own quirky movie plots and stories and stay the hell clear of established icons and classics. Burton in that area just tends to produce an incoherent mess much like his audio commentary on POTA.
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post #23 of 48
3/23/04 at 1:58pm
I really enjoyed the Burton's re-imagination of PoTA, and was hoping for a sequel, if only to bring some meaning to the ending.
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post #24 of 48
3/23/04 at 2:25pm
I liked Burton's vision, and am aware there were problems with the studio on it. I prefer he steers clear and does his own works unless he gets full control.
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post #25 of 48
3/23/04 at 2:26pm
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When I see a Tim Burton movie I expect to know, immediately -- from the stunning stage pieces to the creepy characters all the way down to the Danny Elfman score -- that it's a TIM BURTON MOVIE.


Well to be fair, this was one of Danny's best scores of late. In my opinion.
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post #26 of 48
3/23/04 at 6:05pm
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PotA Burton is a retelling not a remake, just for facts' sake


No matter what Burton says, it's a remake. He said "Batman Returns" wasn't a sequel, too, but that's because he was in denial over the fact that he's directed a sequel and a remake. Many concepts that originated in the original film were used in Burton's remake, and the original film's screenwriters (Michael Wilson and Rod Serling) were credited in Burton's remake. The FACT is that it's a remake. To say otherwise is nothing more than a semantics arguement.
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post #27 of 48
3/23/04 at 6:42pm
I enjoyed Burton's version, but the backlash, and Burton's reluctance to explain the ending make it unlikely.
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post #28 of 48
3/24/04 at 12:41am
By today's standards, a 100 million dollar movie making 180 million would be an unqualified success. However, I think the movie suffers from more then backlash at this pointit's nearly forgotten. I can't imagine Fox starting production on a movie that was not really beloved, and would be too late even if it was. Especially since the studio doesn't usher sequels lightly.
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post #29 of 48
3/24/04 at 8:23am
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Burton's reluctance to explain the ending make it unlikely

Reluctance? Listening to his commentary, it was more like inability.
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post #30 of 48
3/24/04 at 8:41am
I don't really see what's so confusing about the ending, aside from one rather huge "coincidence" that would have to occur for it to come about the ending makes perfect sense.
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