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Rhino, The Transformers, and GI JOE: The End of Innocence

post #1 of 32
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I have been amazed by how fans of the classic Transformers and GI JOE cartoon series have allowed themselves to be raked over the coals by Rhino Home Entertainment. "Oh, it's great to have the series on DVD!" is what I keep hearing. I, however, feel that Rhino's work has been sub-par, at best.

Here's a bit of history:

The Transformers and GI JOE series used 1" broadcast film masters as the basis for the episodes that were aired in the original runs. These masters still exist today, but the image quality/colors/details are a bit worn down, as these were used to make all the tapes sent across the nation for broadcast. Rhino has the rights to these, as well as 35 mm film masters, which feature much more vibrant colors and detail, but often contain incomplete/backwards/missing animation that was originally corrected for the broadcast versions.

Let's examine some of the problems:


The Original Transformers Season 1 box set:

This set uses beautiful 35mm negatives as the basis for the DVD versions of the episodes (as stated, the original airings that most fans know and love came from the finished 1" broadcast master tapes).

Rhino made attempts to splice in footage from the 1" broadcast versions to correct some of these errors (as well as digitally cutting elements from the 1" tapes and pasting them onto the 35mm versions, which looks AWFUL), but MANY remain. As example fo this "cut-and-paste" method can be seen when Autobot Mirage turns visible inside the Decepticon ship at the end of "The Ultimate Doom part 3". He is surrounded by a jagged white "halo", as he has been sloppily cut from the 35mm version and pasted onto the background of the 1" broadcast version. Nearly every episode has some kind of error or change that was NOT in the original version (even many of the faction scene bumpers in MTMTE parts 1-3 have been replaced with bumpers from other episodes, due to their absence in the 35mm versions). Fire in the Sky, Fire on the Mountain, and Heavy Metal War (which is an utter *disaster* compared to the broadcast version of that episode) suffer the most from this.

Also, the end titles actually use the credits from SEASON *2* ("copyright 1985", etc.), NOT season 1. This is due to the fact that Rhino has access only to episodes without the episode titles and end title credits (just the end title background footage, as can be seen in the VHS releases from a few years ago), and had to recreate them for the DVD sets.

The sound is another issue. The DVDs come with the option of 2.0 and 5.1 surround sound tracks. The 5.1 track is HORRID, as the episodes were never MEANT to be mixed in 5.1. They just sound "wrong". Worst of all is the fact that Rhino ADDED A BUNCH OF *CRAPPY*, "STOCK" CARTOON
SOUND EFFECTS (fire, laser blasts, jet flybys) TO THE ORIGINAL AUDIO. These new sounds are distracting, and they drown out dialogue and sound effects in many cases. Thankfully, the original audio is kept intact on the 2.0 track, except for (inexplicably) the episodes on
disc 2, which contain the new 5.1 sound mix (the episodes in question are "Divide and Conquer,"Fire in the Sky", "S.O.S. Dinobots", "Fire on
the Mountain", and "War of the Dinobots").


This new sound mix is a travesty. For those fans who are unfamiliar with the series (as well as new fans who will be introduced to it via the DVD sets), this is a slap in the face. I (and many others) waited for YEARS to get the series on DVD. The DVDs should be the archival
version of the series, the one that is an accurate reflection of the way the series was during its original run. Instead, we have a patchwork of episodes, which are not entirely accurate to the original versions, and create the same kind of problems the Generation 2 versions did in the early 90s. Rhino may have the right to release the
series on DVD, but what right do they have to muck with the work of the original sound editors? These new sounds are not even part of the TF G1 sound library and are wildly incongruous with the *real* sound effects that were a staple of the series.

Still, aside from the inaccurate footage and a few episodes, the picture quality is excellent, the best the episodes have ever seen, but only because the 35mm masters were used, and not because Rhino "restored" them. The original commercial bumpers are also included (including, yes, that's right, crappy new *sound effects* on the 5.1 audio tracks). Thus, the sets are moderately worthwhile. It's a real mixed bag, folks.

Don't call it the "original" Transformers if you're going to pull these kinds of stunts, Rhino.


Season 2 part 1 is probably the best Rhino G1 DVD release to date. As before, the 35mm negatives were used as the basis for the episodes in the set,
but this time, they are almost entirely devoid of the errors that plagued the season 1 DVD set. Aside from a bit of tampering with historical accuracy (correcting the spelling of the title of "A Deceptacon Raider in King Arthur's Court", and mistakenly removing the
the camera shakes at the end of "The Core"), the episodes are pretty much the way they've always been, save for the new, pristine picture quality. As stated above, the versions Rhino has access to do not have actual episode titles or end credits, so they had to recreate the white-lettered titles from fan-donated screencaps.

As for the sound, the 5.1 mix is, once again horrible (crappy new sounds and all), but the 2.0 mix contains the original audio (except for "Changing Gears", "City of Steel", "Attack of the Autobots", and "Traitor", which have the crappy 5.1 sound mix in 2.0, too, for some unknown reason).

So, aside from four episodes having a sound problem, this set is excellent.


Before the season 2 part 2 DVD set was released, reliable sources indicated that Rhino promised to correct the "5.1 mix on 2.0 track" problem for future releases. Well, when season 2 part 2 was released, I was horrified to discover that EVERY SINGLE EPISODE in the set has the crappy 5.1 mix in 2.0. That's right, not a *SINGLE* episode in
season 2 part 2 has the original audio. Even the commercial bumpers have sound effects (although they consist of a sampled "transforming" sound effect that actually comes from the *series*, not a stock sound library).

I was upset, to say the VERY least (if you define "upset" as "flying into a rage and wanting to smash everything in sight...").

Aside from that little problem, the picture quality and historical accuracy of the set is great (overlooking a few errors, such as the normal forest converting into a metal one at the end of "The Key to Vector Sigma part 2", due to backwards animation that wasn't a problem in the 1" broadcast version). But, that one little sound problem has ruined the set for me, and I can barely bring myself to watch those episodes now. I hate it that much.

For season 3 part 1, Rhino finally took the hint and added an "original audio option". Further, there seem to be few errors relating to the 35mm versions being incomplete. However, the wrong title sequence (the standard season 3 intro) is used for several episodes of the "Five Faces of Darkness" mini-series, and the episodes are not quite in the right airdate *or* chronological order. Further, Rhino didn't think to put the alternate audio on a separate track for "Dark Awakening", so now we're stuck with the narrator telling us to watch "The Return of Optimus Prime" instead the option to hear either that or the original "So long... Prime" dialogue. Still, the set is a step up from the prior releases.


As for GI JOE (which I haven't seen since the 80s), there don't appear to be many animation problems with the Original Mini-Series set. I'd call the set perfect, except...the 5.1 and 2.0 tracks have the crappy Rhino-sounds added to them (this set came out before the "original broadcast audio option" was created for Transformers)!!!!

GI JOE season 1 part 1 is pretty spiffy. The episodes are in the correct order, and there are very few "Rhino-fixes" made to account for differences between the 1" and 35mm versions (although I'm not that knowledgable about the series, I did notice a few "fixes". Anyone out there notice anything else amiss?). The original audio is intact. The only real problem is that all episodes after the "Pyramid of Darkness" mini-series have the *SEASON 2* opening credits (featuring Serpentor and other season 2 characters), which is totally wrong. Worse, the chapter menus show the season 1 credits! Why don't the actual episodes??? *Sigh*. Also, it seems the Public Service Announcements are all clumped together as extras instead of being attached to the episodes proper. *Sigh*.


Bloopers that weren't there originally, horrid new sound effects, bad packaging design with spelling errors in the liner notes, incorrect title sequences, and much, much more than meets the eye. Hardly a sterling record for Rhino. I would have much preferred it if Rhino had used the lower-quality 1" broadcast masters with the white-lettered opening/end titles added on ( the broadcast versions are what we've known for 20 years, something that gives viewers common ground, not DVD-exclusive variations), and left the sound alone (the original audio should be the *default*, not an "option" Rhino was so "merciful" to provide us). If Rhino had some knowledgeable fans working for them or at least *consulting*, these sets would be much, much better. These DVDs are hardly "definitive". Unfortunately, a new generation will now think this is the way the series have always been. People may dismiss these series as "30 minute commercials", but they deserve better treatment. I can't beleive so many fans don't care about this sloppy treatment. I, for one, won't just take whatever Rhino spoon-feeds me. I care about quality.

If you feel strongly about this matter, please make your voice heard and e-mail Rhino at:

drrhino@rhino.com
post #2 of 32
I'm just not that anal about audio/video when it comes to a cartoon series from 20 years ago. Sure, it could have been a better release and I'm all for people being upset and whatnot, but in the grand scheme of things (aka life), I'm not going to stress about it. I'll watch the episodes, enjoy them, and be on my way.

EDIT: I just want to clarify that my stance above really applies to almost any DVD release of an older TV Series, Movie, etc... not just cartoons.
post #3 of 32
I am in the same camp as Joshua, but I realize there are diehards who really care about the inconsistencies and such. I'm one of the people who would pick this up and only be able to watch a couple episodes a week or so because, when it comes down to it, these shows were meant for kids and they're much harder for me to sit still through now than they were were I was a kid!

Yes, I am glad they are released. This is something I never imagined being able to own, so I'm glad I have the option to pick these cartoons up. And yes, it's also sad that they've bumbled some aspects of these Rhinomation releases. But In the grand scheme of things, we still come out on top.

Thank you, though, Greg, for compiling a list of screw-ups here so we know what's up.
post #4 of 32
I am in complete agreement with Greg K. I wrote reviews of these sets and posted them on my website:
http://kenshiroh.tripod.com/

Also, someone posted a list of all the visual errors on the season 1 DVD set. It is quite a long list! Note that these are only the errors that were introduced by Rhino, not ones that were there when the show was originally broadcast.

All of these errors could have been avoided easily. Many of their Transformer sets contain (really boring) documentaries about transformer conventions. While they are at these conventions, they should get some fans who have seen every episode hundreds of times and have them watch the DVDs (before they are released to the public) and write down all of the errors they find. These fans already make these lists of mistakes anyway after the DVDs are released. Better to have them point out the mistakes before the DVD is released and then fix them!
post #5 of 32
Although the errors due to carelessness on Rhino's part upset me, I ultimately agree with Dane and Joshua. I never thought I'd be able to own officially licensed box sets of these shows that I loved as a kid and while Rhino could have done a better job, I still can really enjoy them the way they are right now.
post #6 of 32
I forwarded this thread to someone I know at Rhino and he asked me to post the following as a response:

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Hey Gord,

If you would like to post - this is the reply from our production supervisor:

Rhino Home Video makes every attempt to present the best possible DVD packages and programming content to our fans. It is the mantra of our company and is at the very core of what we do.

However, Rhino does not own the programs we sell on DVD. We license TV shows & movies from the production companies who originally created them. They, in turn, provide us with "masters" from which we create our DVDs.

We do our best to work with what is provided to us, but our DVDs can only be as good as the source elements that they are created from. In this instance, the post production is done by a lab in New York at the behest of the owner of the series, and we have no control over what they deliver us.

We appreciate all of your comments, and as fans of the show ourselves, empathize your disappointment.


Just delivering the message,
Gord
post #7 of 32
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We do our best to work with what is provided to us, but our DVDs can only be as good as the source elements that they are created from. In this instance, the post production is done by a lab in New York at the behest of the owner of the series, and we have no control over what they deliver us.


If it is actually the fault of the "lab in New York", then they should make the lab in New York redo all the stuff they messed up on. In the future they should hire someone else to do the post-production.
post #8 of 32
Sounds like they're passing the buck on the A/V, but that still doesn't explain the spelling mistakes in the booklet. I know I said this stuff didn't bother me as much for TF and G.I.Joe, but in general, if you're going to put your name on a product that was delivered to you by someone else, I would think you'd want to avoid issues like these that would reflect badly on your company.
post #9 of 32
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I am in complete agreement with Greg K. I wrote reviews of these sets and posted them on my website:
http://kenshiroh.tripod.com/

Also, someone posted a list of all the visual errors on the season 1 DVD set. It is quite a long list! Note that these are only the errors that were introduced by Rhino, not ones that were there when the show was originally broadcast.

All of these errors could have been avoided easily. Many of their Transformer sets contain (really boring) documentaries about transformer conventions. While they are at these conventions, they should get some fans who have seen every episode hundreds of times and have them watch the DVDs (before they are released to the public) and write down all of the errors they find. These fans already make these lists of mistakes anyway after the DVDs are released. Better to have them point out the mistakes before the DVD is released and then fix them!

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Great site and reviews, Jeff! The screencaps really illustrate the problem.
post #10 of 32
Great site and reviews, Jeff! The screencaps really illustrate the problem.


Thanks!
post #11 of 32
When did the TF movie come out, in between which season set? Also GI Joe same question. I hated what they changed in the movies so I'm stopping my box set right before the movies.
post #12 of 32
Thread Starter 
When did the TF movie come out, in between which season set? Also GI Joe same question. I hated what they changed in the movies so I'm stopping my box set right before the movies.

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Here's the correct order:

The Transformers:

1. Season 1, 1984 (Rhino season 1 DVD set)
2. Season 2, 1985 (Rhino season 2 parts 1-2)
3. The Transformers: The Movie, 1986
4. Season 3, 1986 (Rhino season 3 parts 1-2)
5. "Season" 4, 1987 ("The Rebirth" 3-parter, will be in Rhino season 3 part 2 set)


GI JOE:

1. The MASS Device mini-series, 1983 (Rhino original mini-series set)
2. The Revenge of Cobra mini-series, 1984 (Rhino original mini-series set)
3. Season 1, 1985 (Rhino season 1 parts 1-2)
4. Season 2, 1986 (Rhino season 2 parts 1-2)
5. GI JOE: The Movie, 1987
post #13 of 32
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I am in complete agreement with Greg K. I wrote reviews of these sets and posted them on my website:
http://kenshiroh.tripod.com/

Also, someone posted a list of all the visual errors on the season 1 DVD set.


Nice job of illustrating the problems, Jeff!

I'm not a fan of the series but as an animation fan in general, and a video editor, it is plain to me how these errors happened.

When a US show is animated and shot overseas, the negatives are shipped back to the States for review. A "checker" views the reels and makes notes of any problems (and boy, were there problems in this case! The animation cameraman should've been fired!). If there's sufficient time and money available, retakes are ordered and the foreign studio (grudgingly) makes the necessary changes, shoots them again and sends over the new footage.

This takes months. So here in the States they go ahead and edit the show together anyhow, with the intention of replacing the problematic footage when it arrives.

From here, we have two possibilities: back then, there were still a few holdbacks who still edited film-based TV shows on film first, the transfer to video taking place late in the process for the addition of video-generated titles and such (if applicable here, I don't know if Transformers titles were video or photographic). The video master would then be shelved until the retakes arrived, at which time the corrected footage would be transferred separately and insert-edited onto the master. In this scenereo, there would be 21-minute (or so) 35mm reels of almost-complete episodes sitting on a shelf somewhere, representing the state of the episode when it was first transferred to video--without opening and closing credits, the episode title card, bumps or PSAs. If this was the case with Transformers, then it's easy to see how these reels could be mistaken for finished episodes 20 years later by someone digging through archives.

In the second scenereo, the unedited film (errors and all) is transferred to video and THEN the episode is edited, again being altered later when the retakes came in. This would mean there would NOT be semi-complete episodes existing on film, but rather just the negatives (and positives) of the raw footage from the animation camera. These would still be shelved and labeled with the appropriate episode name.

In both scenereos, any retakes that arrived later would've been shelved and labeled slightly differently. It's even possible that retakes from several episodes would be delivered all at once, resulting in vague archive labeling like "Sunbow retakes, 04/83" or somesuch, or, worse, handwriting in Korean. Again, that's something easly overlooked 20 years later, if it was still there at all, as it's the kind of thing that might be just tossed in a corner and eventually lost.

Anyhow, judging from the quoted response from Rhino, it sounds like the fiddling was done by that "lab" in NY, Rhino simply doing the DVD authoring and encoding. If that lab was unware of or unable to find/obtain the 35mm retakes, then they were faced with a no-win situation: do they make the DVD masters from the old 1" broadcast masters, which look terrible, or go with a pristine film source? Film, obviously--just look at the difference in image quality of those framegrabs on Jeff's site.

Okay, so what about the differences? As described by Jeff and the author of the "error list", the lab was obviously aware of a few of the discrepencies, based on their attempts to fix them. If they just used the 1" video master for all of the retake footage, you'd get a noticeable drop in picture quality every time one of those shots appeared. However, in my opinion that would've been prefereable to creating composite images as they did. I can see why they thought they needed to, but it wasn't the best choice.

So anyhow, I hope this helps folks understand why stuff like this happens. It wasn't handled well, that's for sure, and if they'd enlisted the help of some fans to view check tapes and point out problems, much could've been avoided (like wrong opening credits). But in the best of circumstances there still would've been issues regarding the retake footage, I'm afraid.

Sorry for the ramble!
post #14 of 32
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Anyhow, judging from the quoted response from Rhino, it sounds like the fiddling was done by that "lab" in NY, Rhino simply doing the DVD authoring and encoding. If that lab was unware of or unable to find/obtain the 35mm retakes, then they were faced with a no-win situation: do they make the DVD masters from the old 1" broadcast masters, which look terrible, or go with a pristine film source? Film, obviously--just look at the difference in image quality of those framegrabs on Jeff's site.

Okay, so what about the differences? As described by Jeff and the author of the "error list", the lab was obviously aware of a few of the discrepencies, based on their attempts to fix them. If they just used the 1" video master for all of the retake footage, you'd get a noticeable drop in picture quality every time one of those shots appeared. However, in my opinion that would've been prefereable to creating composite images as they did. I can see why they thought they needed to, but it wasn't the best choice.

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Ah, but you see, Rhino (or whomever) *did* splice in the 1" footage for certain missing/unfinished shots. They just didn't take the process far enough. There are comparisons between the 1" and 35mm versions on view as extras in the Transformers season 1 set, and yet the actual episodes seen on the DVDs proper still contain the error-ridden footage (even though they *obviously* knew it was the unfinsihed footage)!

I would have been happy (and willing to accept the decline in quality, which is marginal in most cases) if someone (preferably fans consulted for the project) had sat down, compared the two versions, and a made a list of what shots needed to be replaced with the 1" broadcast footage. That would have solved everything. Instead, we got only a minimal effort.
post #15 of 32
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In both scenereos, any retakes that arrived later would've been shelved and labeled slightly differently. It's even possible that retakes from several episodes would be delivered all at once, resulting in vague archive labeling like "Sunbow retakes, 04/83" or somesuch, or, worse, handwriting in Korean. Again, that's something easly overlooked 20 years later, if it was still there at all, as it's the kind of thing that might be just tossed in a corner and eventually lost.


There is an extra feature on the Season 1 set called "Outtakes an False Starts" which sounds like what you are describing. Here is how I described this feature in my review:

"I'm not sure exactly what this is supposed to be, because there is no explanation given. There are some bumpers (with Rhino-added sound effects), seemingly random clips (possibly retakes of messed-up scenes?), some season 2 bumpers, season 3 bumpers, and some clips from season 3 that were shown during the ending credits."

If they just used the 1" video master for all of the retake footage, you'd get a noticeable drop in picture quality every time one of those shots appeared. However, in my opinion that would've been prefereable to creating composite images as they did. I can see why they thought they needed to, but it wasn't the best choice.


I would have been happy (and willing to accept the decline in quality, which is marginal in most cases) if someone (preferably fans consulted for the project) had sat down, compared the two versions, and a made a list of what shots needed to be replaced with the 1" broadcast footage. That would have solved everything. Instead, we got only a minimal effort.


I agree.
post #16 of 32
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There is an extra feature on the Season 1 set called "Outtakes an False Starts" which sounds like what you are describing. Here is how I described this feature in my review:

"I'm not sure exactly what this is supposed to be, because there is no explanation given. There are some bumpers (with Rhino-added sound effects), seemingly random clips (possibly retakes of messed-up scenes?), some season 2 bumpers, season 3 bumpers, and some clips from season 3 that were shown during the ending credits."
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I believe these are just takes of shots and such takes that weren't used, for one reason or another, and have nothing to do with the 1" or 35mm versions.

Rhino was doing a good job with the VHS releases from a few years ago. Aside from the missing white-lettered titles/credits, the episodes were the completed broadcast versions. If only they had stayed on that path...
post #17 of 32
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Just got the season 3-4 box set.

Haven't gotten through it all, but I haven't noticed anything amiss in terms of alternate/incomplete animation. And the original audio is there, so that's great. However, one episode (Nightmare Planet, I believe) has *two* historical traliers at the end (the Quintesson and Decepticon trailers). Is this right? Did the episode originally have two trailers added to the end?

That aside, it's nice to see the trailers attached to the end of each episode as they should be. The PSAs in the GI JOE season 1 box set do *not* appear at the end of the episodes, but are instead clumped together as extras.

The interview with David Wise is excellent, as he actually *remembers* the series in detail, and has many intersting, never-before-heard tidbits of info to reveal. Cool.

Another extra is The Rebirth, edited together into one giant episode, without recaps/intros, etc. They call this an *extra*????

All in all, I'd say this is the best of the Rhino sets. Now, all they need to do is go back and fix/re-release the previous sets.
post #18 of 32
Does this old VHS release of the opening episodes most likely contain the correct presentation?

amazon.com link
post #19 of 32
Greg K, Nightmare Planet has always had two historical trailers. The finished episode is a little short, so I guess that the extra trailer was to pad it out.

JeremySt, as far as I know, the VHS releases are mastered using the 1" broadcast masters.
post #20 of 32
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For the most part, the various Rhino VHS tapes were accurate (the only problems were that some season 2 TF episodes wwre missing the white-lettered titles/credits, some episodes had the wrong main/end credits, etc.). But the actual episode content was based on the 1" masters.

It wasn't until the DVD sets started coming out that the trouble really started (The "Heroes" and "Villains" DVDs that came out prior to the season sets were fine, though.).
post #21 of 32
I just recieved Season 1 and Season 2: part 2 in the mail. I have watched the first 4 episodes. I must say that I cannot argue with Greg K's first post, but I also must add that I dont find the problems quite as offensive. Im sure the other new animation errors and re-mixed sound are horrible for the die hard purist and transformer superfan, but for the casual viewer they are very watchable, and look fantastic. For the most part, I hate revisionist history, but I really dont think Rhino's changes are a mis-representation of what this show is supposed to be.

The show is already on a sort of low budget level, and there are errors present from the original broadcasts that are far more distracting than any additional mistakes Rhino made, in my opinion. There are plenty of original mistakes in the animation and voice work that they make the rhino goofs seem minor in comparison.

Rhino should correct their mistakes, although I doubt they will. For now, Im very pleased to have what I have.

My biggest gripe is that the now out of print box sets carried a FAR too high price tag, and the new single sets would amount to an even higher cost to aquire all the episodes.

I have been tracking down the box sets used, and even then it aint cheap.

I recently ordered Season 2 part 1, and as soon as I can find them for a reasonable price, Ill get 3 pt1 and 3 pt2 - 4.
post #22 of 32
The changes never really bothered me much either. If not for the Internet, I probably wouldn't even be aware of the changes. I only need the last two sets to complete my collection.
post #23 of 32
How's the picture quality on the G.I. Joe DVD's? I was bummed out to hear that the PQ for the Thundercats DVD is pretty bad and hope the same doesn't hold true for the Joes.
post #24 of 32
Thread Starter 
The image quality for the GI JOE sets are equivalent to the Transformers sets. However, the "new" animation errors and sound effects still plague the DVDs, though not to the extent found in the Transformers sets.

I'm still at a loss regarding how people (particularly hardcore fans) can sit back and not be offended by these releases.

Yes, there are good things about the DVDs, like the image quality (which I attribute solely to the source material, not any "remastering" on Rhino's part), the inclusion of the commercial bumpers, recaps, and trailers, etc.


But still, for cryin' out loud:

What if someone (who had no association with the project orginally) came along and added the sound effects found on these DVDs to say, the Star Wars films? Or the original Star Trek tv series? Or some other movie or tv show?

What about adding incomplete/workprint footage into the afformentioned examples and advertising them as the "original, uncut" versions? How about putting the Star Trek: TNG opening titles for into the DVDs of the original Star Trek series' episodes?

Would fans sit by passively?

Why do the Transaformers and GI JOE deserve less?



Are these elements indicative of a *worthy* DVD release?

1. Incorrect opening/end titles for some episodes.

2. New, "stock" sound effects added in randomly by people who had no involvement with the creation of the sound effects for either series (although the "original broadcast audio" option for later TF and JOE sets fixed this problem by giving people the option to hear the original, unaltered audio).

3. Incomplete animation--that was originally FIXED for broadcast (and reruns and VHS)--billed as the "original and uncut" versions of the episodes. Or worse, attempts to fix/hide such errors that look like bad cut-and-paste jobs.

4. Episodes out of order (they often aren't in airdate OR production order).



Oh, and if you're hoping Rhino will release GI JOE: Season 2--Part 2, don't bother. Not gonna happen. The series is, and shall, for the moment, remain incomplete on DVD!

Any questions?


Someone has to fix this, someday, somehow. It IS misrepresentation, and it spits in the face of historical accuracy.


*Sigh*.
post #25 of 32
Well there's always Blu-Ray. Oh and a very similar thing *did* happen with Star Wars on DVD. *cough*lightsabers*cough*.

I'm glad that the PQ and audio is good for the GI Joe Season 1 DVD's.
post #26 of 32
Thread Starter 
Yeah, the Star Wars (original trilogy) DVDs have issues (such as the afforementioned lightsabers), probably because they were a bit rushed. We'll see how things are in the next release...

And let's not forget (or dredge up) the SE vs. originals issue. Although, in that case, it's the FILMMAKER who's changing things, not the DVD production studio. The same can't be said for TF and JOE.


Anyway, GI JOE has gotten much better treatment on DVD than the Transformers. Aside from the audio problems (the original mini-series set only), the instances of incomplete animation/Rhino fixes (which seem rare), and the wrong intros/lack of PSAs, the sets are pretty darn nice.
post #27 of 32
Oh, and if you're hoping Rhino will release GI JOE: Season 2--Part 2, don't bother. Not gonna happen. The series is, and shall, for the moment, remain incomplete on DVD!

Are you sure about this? Do you know why they won't release the final set?
post #28 of 32
Thread Starter 
By the by, here's a more recent thread on this topic that I started a while back, with more discussion/info (I suggest interested parties who want to continue this discussion jump over to the thread):

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...t=transformers
post #29 of 32
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As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong), Rhino no longer has the rights to either The Transformers (the original, that is--Beast Machines is coming out in the near future) or GI JOE. Paramount has the rights now, if I'm not mistaken.
post #30 of 32
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Paramount has the rights now, if I'm not mistaken.
No, Paramount has the rights to newly made TF/GIJ items (Cybertron and Sigma 6, etc.).

Rights to the originals are now owned by Sony Music. They have given ZERO indication as to when they plan to start releasing them, nor whether they plan to start from the beginning all over again or pick up where Rhino left off.
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