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post #121 of 148
4/27/04 at 12:44pm
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Does anyone know if they'll reissue the soundtrack as well? I've been trying to track it down, but the 1989(?) CD release seems to be hard to come across (at least in my neck of the woods).


Yes, EMI/Capitol is releasing an expanded (for the first time on a U.S. release) original-soundtrack CD on the same day the SE DVD comes out.

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For Immediate Release

Capitol Records/EMI To Release The Expanded and Remastered Version Of
"The Good, The Bad & The Ugly" Soundtrack
Includes An Additional 10 Tracks By Film Composer Ennio Morricone Restoring
The Soundtrack To Its Original Score Length
Landmark Score Defined The "Spaghetti Western" Genre
In Stores May 18, 2004

Hollywood, CA, April 5, 2004 - Capitol Records/EMI will release an expanded
version of the soundtrack to the film "The Good, The Bad & The Ugly". 10
tracks of film score that have never been released in America will be
included, thus restoring the film score to its original length. It will be
in stores on May 18, 2004.

The soundtrack has also been 24-bit remastered and the album packaging
includes original movie art. Ennio Morricone composed the landmark film
score. The distinctive "whistle" heard in the long, tension-building scenes
with minimal dialog, became the sonic signature for the "spaghetti western"
film genre.

The soundtrack release coincides with MGM Home Entertainment's release of
"The Good, The Bad & The Ugly" 2-DVD Collector's Edition, also in stores on
May 18. It is the third film of an epic western trilogy directed by Sergio
Leone. Released in America in 1966, it stars Clint Eastwood as the "Man With
No Name" (The Good), Eli Wallach as "Tuco" (The Ugly) and Lee Van Cleef as
"Angel Eyes" (The Bad).

The original release of the soundtrack has been certified gold by the RIAA.

Press Contact:
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Tracklisting: The Good, The Bad & The Ugly Soundtrack
1. Il Buono Il Brutto Il Cattivo (Titoli) The Good, The Bad & The Ugly (Main
Title) 2:38
2. Il Tramonto [The Sundown] 1:12
3. Sentenza 1:39 (unreleased)
4. Fuga A Cavallo 1:05 (unreleased)
5. Il Ponte Di Corde 1:51 (unreleased)
6. Il Forte [The Strong] 2:20
7. Inseguimento 2:22 (unreleased)
8. Il Deserto [The Desert] 5:11
9. La Carrozza Dei Fantasmi [The Carriage Of The Spirits] 2:06
10. La Missione San Antonio 2:13 (unreleased)
11. Padre Ramirez 2:36 (unreleased)
12. Marcetta [Marcia] 2:49
13. La Storia Di Un Soldato [The Story Of A Soldier] 3:50
14. Il Treno Militare 1:22 (unreleased)
15. Fine Di Una Spia 1:12 (unreleased)
16. Il Bandito Monco 2:43 (unreleased)
17. Due Contro Cinque 3:45 (unreleased)
18. Marcetta Senza Speranza [Marcia Without Hope] 1:40
19. Morte Di Un Soldato [The Death Of A Soldier] 3:05
20. L'estasi Dell'oro [The Ecstasy Of Gold] 3:22
21. Il Triello [The Trio (Main Title)] 5:00
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post #122 of 148
4/27/04 at 1:04pm
Wow, awesome news about the soundtrack re-issue. Thanks for posting that, Randy, that's great.
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post #123 of 148
4/27/04 at 4:53pm
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm looking for - Great news, and thanks. Now I just have to keep an eye on my local Amazon; they haven't listed it yet that I've seen...
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post #124 of 148
4/27/04 at 8:02pm
Devin, Amazon appears to have it listed here:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=music

Amazon's track listing is wrong (just copied from the old CD), but the date and listing (remastered) appear correct. The price is certainly friendly. But if you ever need a soundtrack CD, even imports, Intrada is the online retailer to bookmark.

To tie this back in with the DVD, I'm actually quite surprised that MGM & EMI didn't get together to market a deluxe version of the movie that includes the remastered DVD and CD. The synergy is certainly there, and the projects were obviously timed together. It's a landmark score, with the music an integral part of the movie (hence the DVD featurette on Morricone). Personally, I can't think of another film and score that has had a bigger influence on me as a movie and film-music fan.

And, Lyle and Jon, I do agree with you. The new SE DVD seems to have everything except the original movie, which obviously was good enough as it was. I'm surprised (and a tiny bit disappointed) that the original version is not available as a branching option on the new DVD. I plan on keeping the old DVD for that, but it won't have the improved audio-video presentation.
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post #125 of 148
4/28/04 at 4:55am
Thread Starter 
Thanks a lot for that news Randy, just might purchase the cd as well

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post #126 of 148
6/1/04 at 2:26pm
Just got mine in the mail from Best Buy and I'd say it's been one of the most all around annoying experiences I've had with packaging. First, when I removed the rear sheet the adhesive pulled off a chunk of the case surface. Next, both discs were floating inside and are scratched up as a result. This is a no-brainer exchange and I'll definitely be cracking it open in-store to save myself another trip. The last time I had to deal with multiple floaters was with the Rambo Trilogy.
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post #127 of 148
6/2/04 at 4:32am
I did indeed pick up the new soundtrack from Amazon.ca. It was only later I heard that two of the tracks (one of the 'Soldato' tracks and the finale 'Il Triello') are about two mins shorter than the european version. Odd. The disc still sounds pretty sharp - a great buy

Regarding the DVD, I was also pleasantly surprised to find an 'audio only' extra about the soundtrack after watching all the way through the "Il Maestro" Morricone featurette on the second disc; I don't recall reading anything about that in any of the materials, nor did I see it listed in Oscar's post above of the extra features.
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post #128 of 148
6/2/04 at 9:01pm
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Regarding the DVD, I was also pleasantly surprised to find an 'audio only' extra about the soundtrack after watching all the way through the "Il Maestro" Morricone featurette on the second disc;


It's a great feature. Jon Burlingame, the commentator, really knows film scores, and this one in particular. It was a treat to hear him recite the words to "March," which have always been obscured on the original recording.

It really makes me pine for what would have been a fantastic feature: an isolated score during the film with Burlingame commenting between cues.
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post #129 of 148
6/3/04 at 3:29pm
The way Burlingame talks, it sure seems to me that he's referencing musical cues that should follow his remarks, but they're missing. A screwup, or a rights issue? The former seems like the natural explanation, but the absence of any mention of this extra might indicate a rights problem making it less useful (and certainly harder to follow) than it might have been otherwise.
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post #130 of 148
6/3/04 at 4:42pm
Great news!
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post #131 of 148
3/24/06 at 8:16am
Hello. I've read this topic, everything that has been said on this subject two years ago.

Here's what I found out on amazon.co.uk customer reviews:

1)
Whoever remastered the soundtrack for this needs firing goes through patches of appaling quietness, effects disappearing completely (to give an very good surround sound of actors reading scripts into mikes in a studio) and terrible balance.

2)
The so-called "improved soundtrack"....is a disaster. The original soundtrack was a work of art.....perfect....infact stunning for it's time. Now, dialogue, sound effects....and worst of all, the music, have an unreal, unfocused, stupid quality that defies belief. If it ain't broke don't fix it!
And as for the boring, repetative, uninformative commentary by some fat yank on valium......how much more insulting to fan's of this film can you get?
Rubbish. Buy the version released a couple of years ago. It is the correct version. This new one is crap.

3)
The soundtrack now has completely different sounding guns that no longermake that distinct 'double syllabal' explosion but more like paintball pellets being fired. This is due to the new 5.1 audio output the studio has created for the film. This was because the music and sound effects were recorded on the same track in 1966, the studio had to re-do the sound effects to seperate the music. Technical stuff I know but all explained in the extras.
Which incidentally are nothing special. The commentary is painfully slow and at times frustrating with the film critic and Eastwood biographer straining to get his words out.
Some short documentary bits and bobs but nothing to get the fans of the film excited over. No behind the scenes golden nuggets here I am afraid. No lengthy interviews with anyone from the film just short excerpts from Clint, Eli and AlbertoGrimaldi (the producer). Who really dont tell us anything new.
Some kind of college lecturer of film music tells us what he thinks of the music by Ennio Morricone and speculises about the ideas of where he came up with the idea for the main theme. But because he has no actual connection with the film (probably was'nt even born) his ideas are no more valuable then any other fan. Even I could have been on the extra disc and given my opinion of the film at this rate and I am no more an authority on the subject then the next person who has this in their DVD collection.

4)
To cap it all the extrascenes do not 'blend' in with the rest of the film. It switches from mono to stereo so noticably.
Unfortunately it gets worse.
The studio that remastered the film decided to upgrade the soundtrack. This led to certain limitations, i.e the original sound effects (gunshots) were mixed on the same track as the music. Obviously they have to keep the music so they had to re-do the sound effects. Big Big mistake, what we end up with now is a tinny "blat" for ALL the gun shots in the film. In my opinion ruining the impact of certain key scenes.
There is an interesting additional scene involving Tuco's meeting with the three bandits who sneak up to Blondies room but on reflection you can see why the director Sergio Leone had it cut to the editing room floor.
The commentary is painfull, it is by a film critic who spends ages getting to the point about a certain scene which has by then been and gone and he spends most of his time saying "ermmm" or/and "errrrr" What he does eventually come up with is fairly interesting but takes such a frustratingly long time about it.

OK - THANK YOU FOR READING ALL THIS.
I think I don't want to buy this 2004 2-disc special edition. But I don't know WHICH edition to buy! There are several more, older editions. I don't know anything about them and, what is even worse, it seems to me that I can't find older editions anywhere anymore.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP - WHAT EDITION IS GOOD AND WHERE TO FIND IT?
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post #132 of 148
3/24/06 at 9:41pm
With some reservations, I would still recommend the 2-disc extended cut. The dubbing on the new scenes is noticeable, but it's still the best solution to the issue. The only major problems I have with both the additions and the new soundtrack are a) some very visible print damage to the restored footage that possibly could've been fixed digitally, and b) that the score goes noticeably out-of-sync during part of the final showdown. (It jumps right out, as the film was specifically edited around Morricone's music!) As I understand it, the latter problem may have been caused by the attempt to match up the English dub track with an Italian print, but it still seems like it should've been correctable.
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post #133 of 148
3/25/06 at 12:12am
speaking of Leone, I gave up and bought the first 2 which dont even have announced dates here yet, from the UK MONTHS ago-they are more than adequate.
Thought I hear Paramount Germany has released the first two (FOD and FAFDM) that are supposed to be first class plus...
I kind of hope they will release the original version of GB&U as the dubbed voices sound just a tad odd...
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post #134 of 148
3/25/06 at 6:53am
Thanx both of you for answering me.

But you didn't say anything about the earlier DVD versions...? I would like to see some comparison from someone who owns (or has seen) at least two different editions of this great film.

Does anyone knows where I can buy earlier versions (and which one)?

Mark - I'm not sure I understand you correctly - did you want to say that soon we can expect completely NEW Good-Bad-Ugly DVD edition?

I have one question that puzzles me for a long time - concerning the all 3 films: lip-sync is english, not italian - no doubt about that, especially when we know that Eastwood, Van Cleef, Walach, Kinski - are NOT italian-speaking actors, but english. So, we see their lips move talking english - yet everything has been re-dubbed in english. I understand re-dubbing in italian language - for italian market; but WHY RE-DUBBING IN ENGLISH? That never did make sense to me.

Thanx.
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post #135 of 148
3/25/06 at 7:17am
Filip,

these movies were filmed without location audio. So no dialogue was recorded while shooting, which means it had to be completely re-created in the studio.
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post #136 of 148
3/25/06 at 1:59pm
I like the new 2 disk set, especially the packaging. But the gunsound was a terrible choice.
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post #137 of 148
3/26/06 at 12:51am
Id be interested to know if anyone here watches it with the Italian mono track, I gather the sound effects have been untouched ? Or are they completely different to the original english dub anyway ?
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post #138 of 148
3/26/06 at 5:52am
The sound effects have not been touched, as per the original theatrical release, on the Italian track.
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post #139 of 148
3/26/06 at 7:55am
Flip- Don't know if this helps, Amazon U.S. appears to have the 2004, 179 min, Extended Collectors Set (2 disk) and also the 1998, 162 min, DVD release. Both anamorphic, 2.35:1.
Prices 21.99 and 12.99 U.S. respectively.
I'm for the '98 single.
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post #140 of 148
3/26/06 at 8:28am
Christian Preischl:

Thanx for the explanation. I was thinking something like that myself, but I wasn't sure. That answer leads to another question: WHY there was no location audio? Was it cheaper that way? Easier? As far as I know, only some porn movies are filmed in that way.


Antonio S:

Thanx for the information, but:

1) Although it says that release date is 1998, and run time is 162 minutes, it also says - DVD features: 14 minutes of never before seen Italian footage. ?!? I thought that these extra 14 minutes (which, by the way, I don't want) are included for the first time on the 2004 special edition (which has run time of almost 180 minutes).

2) That 1998 version on US Amazon is region 1 DVD. I live in Croatia, Europe. There's good chance that I would still be able to play that DVD, but anyway - I prefer to have region 2 PAL DVD - IF I CAN CHOOSE.

Nevertheless, maybe I'll buy that american edition anyway... but all this is still too confusing.
Is there anywhere on the web - region 2 PAL DVD with original sounds and music, and without extra 14 minutes with new dialogue?
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post #141 of 148
3/26/06 at 9:29am
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1) Although it says that release date is 1998, and run time is 162 minutes, it also says - DVD features: 14 minutes of never before seen Italian footage. ?!? I thought that these extra 14 minutes (which, by the way, I don't want) are included for the first time on the 2004 special edition (which has run time of almost 180 minutes).
In the original 1998 TGTBATU R1 DVD release, the deleted Italian footage is included as an extra.
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post #142 of 148
3/26/06 at 9:59am
Just to be sure - "included as an extra", means - these 14 minutes NOT inserted into movie, but only added in the Extra Features part of the DVD menu as separate feature? Thanx.
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post #143 of 148
3/26/06 at 11:36am
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Just to be sure - "included as an extra", means - these 14 minutes NOT inserted into movie, but only added in the Extra Features part of the DVD menu as separate feature? Thanx.
Correct.
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post #144 of 148
3/26/06 at 2:23pm
I'm sorry guys if I'm boring.

Region 1 edition came in 1998, but region 2 edition came in 2000. Although the cover art is completely different, I asume that contents of both DVDs are the same... right?

I found out several region 2 2000 editions on eBay, all coming from UK and very cheap. So... I'll try to buy one.

Damn... and I REALLY LIKE the artwork for the special editions...

I hope that 2-disk specials for the "Fistful" and "Few dollars more" don't have problems with sound... Strangely, on amazon.co.uk we still can buy region 2 2000 edition of these first two films, but not the Good-Bad-Ugly. Should I consider buying that older edition of first two films, or should I go straight for the special edition?

Patrick H. - may I ask why would you "still recommend the 2-disc extended cut"?
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post #145 of 148
3/26/06 at 2:47pm
Thread Starter 
check out this link http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=580
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post #146 of 148
3/26/06 at 2:56pm
they goofed with this. they should have included both versions of the film. the gunshot effects really create the aesthetic of spaghetti western as far as i'm concerned.
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post #147 of 148
3/26/06 at 3:35pm
Justin - I agree.

oscar - THANX! On that link you gave me, I found another link leading to 101cd shop, which still has region 2 2000 edition of GBU - and cheap! Oh yeah... I'll be watching it in a few days...
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post #148 of 148
1/2/08 at 8:19pm

Re: Leone's The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly 2-disc SE, May 18, 2004 (MERGED THREAD)

I just picked up last year's reissue of GBU. Didn't it suppose to have a booklet? Who should I contact to see about getting one?
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