JFK Assassination 40th Anniversary Thread - Page 4

It's missing because Bobby Kennedy wanted it destroyed to keep it from becoming a macabre souvenir. Nothing sinister about it when we have the autopsy photos and x-rays.

In addition, conspiracy buffs are NOT encountering any roadblocks to the evidence, they are in point of fact lying deliberately about the nature of the evidence and withholding the details that can be found in the Warren Report and other investigations that prove why their conspiracy charges are nonsense to begin with.

"The evidence is not worth anything since it was either tainted or lost."

That is false. We have all of the physical evidence relevant to the investigation that is still in the National Archives to this day. Nothing tainted, nothing lost.

"The various character assassinations of key people to keep the truth hidden is another indication that there is much more going on."

Mind telling me who you're talking about? Mark Lane, the first of the major conspiracy buffs, who among other things tried to peddle fraudulent stories involving atrocites committed by US servicemen in Vietnam that never happened? Jim Garrison, whose witchhunt against an innocent man named Clay Shaw was regarded by all those who remember the real case as the worst case of proseutorial misconduct in the history of American jurisprudence? Robert Groden, the guy who only manages to be an "expert" away from JFK by becoming OJ Simpson's photo expert and making an idiot of himself in the civil trial?

"The fact of getting off 3 shots from that bolt action is incomprehensible to me, sorry."

Whether you like it or not is immaterial. That's how it happened and there are plenty of tests done that will tell you that three shots in eight seconds is perfectly plausible.

"THe Magic Bullet? Don't buy it. If some of the physical evidence was still around to be examined, I might be convinced."

All of it is there. The problem is you don't like the answers it has to tell.

"Even documents that were unearthed are redacted and less than forthcoming"

About what? We have the names of every single Dealey Plaza eyewitness who appeared before the Commission. We have all the reports conducted at the time on the rifle, the autopsy and there's nothing missing. This is a false statement, pure and simple and since you're not willing to be specific and tell us just what is missing that is supposed to cause all this doubt, I think this is just another example of conspiracy double-talk designed to obfuscate about what the real nature of the evidence is, and the lack of concrete answers to be found from buffs.

The documentary was one of the best produced on the subject, taking its place with such gems as the 1967 CBS series, the 1993 CBS special and 2000's "False Witness."

The juxtapositioning of the lies of Oliver Stone's movie with the truth, delivered in blunt terms by Jennings, offers a taste of what a real documentary dealing with Stone's garbage should be like. I was surprised though that after mentioning how Perry Russo's false testimony was the key to Garrison's entire case, Jennings didn't mention how Stone totally zapped Russo out of existence from the movie.

There is no confession. Pure and simple.

I had to revisit this assertion once again.

"The fact of getting off 3 shots from that bolt action is incomprehensible to me, sorry."

Dr. John Lattimer, a man 89 years old, was able to do it using that very type of rifle in a demonstration on the program last night in 7.2 seconds. One second less then what Oswald needed to fire three shots.

No, it won't be rerun but you can buy a VHS or DVD from them. They had a phone number for that I can post when I check the tape again.

"The former mistress of LBJ"

There is not a scintilla of evidence that she ever was a mistress of LBJ.

"said that he told her he was going to get those goddamn Kennedys and it would all be over soon."

This is what is known as hearsay and innuendo from an unreliable source.

"She also told of a party at a Texas oilman's house the night before the assasination. She said that J Edgar Hoover was there as well as LBJ."

Hoover was in Washington on 11/21 and LBJ was in Fort Worth with JFK.

"The mistress talked to LBJ the morning of the assasination and he once again mentioned how it was going to be over soon."

LBJ stayed in the same hotel as JFK and attended the same morning breakfast. This is just more BS from someone who can be blown out of the water in ten seconds by those with an elementary knowledge of the basic chronology of the assassination.

"They mentioned that there was an unidentified latent print from the Texas Depository. The print was taken to one of the formost latent print analysts w/ 35 yrs of experience. He matched it to one of LBJs strongarms who had been previously tried for a murder. The print was submitted to the FBI and after 18 months the FBI said there was no match. This expert swore on his life that this was an absolute match. Does anyone know more on this fingerprint?"

No, because the story is bogus. There was no latent print on the 6th Floor of anyone other than LHO.

"A doctor who was trying to save Oswald's life was called away from the ER to take a phone call. It was LBJ on the other line asking him to get a death confession from Oswald. The doctor was shocked to be taking a call like that and he told the lead doctor about it. LBJ denied making this phone call, but the switchboard operator of the hospital confirmed that LBJ had indeed called and had demanded to be connected to the ER."

More garbage. This is Charles Crenshaw who already spun some tall tales about his supposed involvement in trying to save JFK's life when he wasn't even there. White House phone logs reveal no such phone call to Dallas, and LBJ was at that moment not in any position to make a phone call.

"It was some shocking stuff if true."

Except that none of it is. This is just third-rate tabloid stuff that is too often broadcast in a slick fashion so that those who know better would have to do ten hours or so in rebuttal to show why all of that stuff is garbage to begin with. It is so easy to tell a simple lie in a few seconds and it takes so much longer for the damage caused by such lies to be wiped out.

"The motives for the assasination were that Kennedy was going to remove troops from Vietnam"

This is just the fantasy wish of left-wing people who think JFK was going to become a 60s flower child in the White House had he lived. The fact is that JFK was a traditional Cold Warrior who just three weeks before his own death guaranteed a deeper US committment when he directed the coup that led to the murder of South Vietnamese President Diem. And Bobby Kennedy repeatedly insisted in oral history interviews for the JFK Library in 1964 there was no Vietnam pullout plan, ever.

"cutting that big military spending, slowly take away the CIAs power"

What does either of that mean? That JFK was going to become an appeaser of the Soviet Union and give them a unilateral military advantage even though JFK had won the Presidency by campaigning about a "missile gap"? And that JFK, who had used the CIA to implement assassination plots against Castro, was going to gut America's leading intelligence agency and give the Soviets an advantage? Just try to imagine Kennedy pushing those ideas before a Congress that wouldn't give him anything while he was alive because they thought he was a lightweight, and you'll find that no "coup" needed to murder JFK to prevent those kinds of appeasesment policies from being implemented. The Congress, which would have to approve any such measures, would have stopped JFK in his tracks from doing such things detrimental to American security, and JFK would have been run out of office by an irate American public.