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post #211 of 1200
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Yes, thats all it is.But i still wish they would release it, for completeness sake


Yes it would be nice, but forgive me if I don't lament over that dis-inclusion as I would have if the Alien DVDs did not include the Dallas Cocoon sequence, or something like that.
post #212 of 1200
Actually Nightmare 1 had more than the kiss cut... There was Tinas bloody popping bubble of blood as she hits the bed (I have not seen it), Glens death was toned... 30 minutes of deleted scenes were on the laserdisc... The whole subplot with Nancy's sibling getting murdered by Freddy, more character development scenes, etc...

The book states that Glen, Rod, Tina, and Nancy all had their siblings killed by Freddy... Thats why they are all only children now... It did try to connect them to each other more and why Freddy was coming after this group...

If I remember correctly, the uncut Nightmare 5 is where Freddy feeds Greta her own stomach (not the dolls)... It was pretty nasty if I remember correctly... Havent seen it since 1989 though (the uncut version)...
post #213 of 1200
I am actually pretty surprised not one thing at all has slipped out about the Friday the 13th set yet..

The set has been being worked on... You would think something (even one thing) would have slipped out by now... Paramount has done a pretty good job of keeping this set pretty quiet up to this point...

I am very interested in what the specs will be...
post #214 of 1200
The least they could do is tease us a little.
post #215 of 1200
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I am actually pretty surprised not one thing at all has slipped out about the Friday the 13th set yet..
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The least they could do is tease us a little.
There's been several things that have been talked about of special features that'll be on the set. Here's a link to a message board that has a thread discussing all the news on the set: http://www.fridaythe13thforum.com/sh...threadid=28219

The first post is updated eveytime something new comes up. Enjoy!
post #216 of 1200
I have the officially released Video CD of the original Friday the 13th. It was released in China (I believe) a couple years ago. I've met Tom Savini several times and I got him to autograph it for me. The picture/audio quality is superb, but it contains no extra features.
post #217 of 1200
Heard an interesting rumour this evening that the so called "Special Editions" of the series are not going to be that special after all. Without going into much details, what is hoped for is going to be much like pissing in the wind.

If such is the case Paramount...thank you, have you spared me about a hundred bucks this fall to spend elsewhere....
post #218 of 1200
Chuck,

Gossip, Gossip... Dont leave us in suspense... Share what you heard... Dont let us go on being excited if there is no point...

I have a feeling you dont have good news to spread... In any event, better to tell us now, so at least I dont go with false hope for 6 more months...

Also, it's possible that who told you whatever could be wrong, but I would still like to know what you heard anyways...
post #219 of 1200
I believe the news was going around that this would be a 4 disc set at one point.

This would mean 2 films, plus special features (perhaps only commentaries and odd deleted scenes) per Disc!
post #220 of 1200
I am at a loss for words. I had gotten fairly excited at the possibilities. Of course I feel it could go either way.

Paramount is always throw of dice. They usually do a GREAT job with transfers. I cannot complain about many of my DVDs in terms of PQ or Soundtrack. Extras? well they did really good with the Trek Movies but they seem almost ashamed of their Friday the 13th movies.

Anyone know how they ended up selling the rights to Newline?

I hope they go all out but odds are they won't put too much effort. Will it look good? yes, will there be some cool extras? I am sure.

But will they dig deep, find unrated cuts, mix and match where it is needed, restore when required? Why, most of us will re-buy even with half effort.

If an uncut Friday 2 or 7 falls on their lap in mint condition will they use it? ABSOLUTELY. Will they dish out $ and time to hunt for it?

We'll see I guess...
post #221 of 1200
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but they seem almost ashamed of their Friday the 13th movies.


Well, let's not be too surprised by that. These films may have made Paramount a ton of money, but they are not exactly "good" films. Fun maybe, but don't forget how tremendously cheesy they can be. Not even scary at all once you pass the age of 10.

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I believe the news was going around that this would be a 4 disc set at one point.

This would mean 2 films, plus special features (perhaps only commentaries and odd deleted scenes) per Disc!

What does that mean? They are going to release the special editions gradually at the rate of 2 films per release? I know that it is just a rumor, but is that the premise of it?
post #222 of 1200
All I know is somewhere (Dark Horizons?) posted a report that Australia would be getting a 4 disc set of the Friday 13th Special Edition films this September or October. I tried to find it again but couldn't. It was talking about 4 discs for all 8 movies!
post #223 of 1200
I doubt that they'd do that in R1. If they were going to be that sloppy, I'd assume they'd just repackage the current versions in a big box.

I haven't lost faith yet...I'm confident that we'll at least get something marginally substantial.
post #224 of 1200
Hopefully...
post #225 of 1200
Personally, I wont shell out the cash unless some or all of the movies are uncut...

Interviews alone do not warrant something that will probably cost $150-$200... I can look on a message board and find out if the interviews had any important information...

I would pay for the set in a minute even if all the movies were in uncut format/with trailers and no other extras...

Bunch of interviews and commentaries, but only theatrical versions equal no sale for me... Most extras like that I never watch or listen to anyways...
post #226 of 1200
Will,

Obviously Paramount wasnt ashamed enough to let the series profit them for all those years... To this day, it still gives them a profit...

IMO, if you are 100% truly ashamed of something, you wouldnt even want the money the series provided... You would be so ashamed that you wouldnt want one thing to do with it... They would have sold full rights (movies and all)...

In that event, they would have killed off the series after the first movie...

But, money talks...

Ashamed or not, this series is one of Paramounts best known franchises next to Star Trek and it wouldnt kill them to give it proper treatment...

If they dont feel it does deserve their time, there are many companies like Anchor Bay they could have leased the series (not even sold) to that would have given it the treatment we are looking for...

Sort of like how New Line leased Elm Street off in the mid 90's... The two disc Laserdisc set is so much better than the DVD that it's almost a joke... The extras are 10 times better than those on the DVD...

The little companies like Anchor Bay and previous Elite put so much more time into their products with limited funds and still sell at good prices with good quality and effort...

Example on TV sets:

Anchor Bay: Three's Company: Season 2... All 24 episodes uncut... Original Pilot lost and never seen for 27 years... Tons of extras... Price $29...

Paramount: I Love Lucy: Season 1... All Season 1 episodes... Ok set, but shoddy... Nothing but previous discs in a box... Original Price: $100...
post #227 of 1200
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Ashamed or not, this series is one of Paramounts best known franchises next to Star Trek and it wouldnt kill them to give it proper treatment...


I agree. I hope we all get what we have been waiting for here.
post #228 of 1200
Some random things...
Alternate Versions for
Friday the 13th Part 2 (1981)
The following scenes were cut from the film in order to avoid an "X" rating from the MPAA:
A close-up shot Jeff and Sandra being double-impaled while having sex on the bed.
A close up shot of Crazy Ralph and the wire cutting.
A scene at the very end where we are shown the inside Jason's shack and see Pamela's face. While there, her eyes open. It was cut by Paramount for looking too fake.
A facing shot of Mark's face being split by the machete.
Blood was trimmed from the shot of Jason driving the hammer in the cop's head.
The flashback footage showing Mrs. Voorhees decapitation was trimmed.
Bloodflow was cut from the shot of Jason driving an icepick into Alice's head.
Additional bloodflow was cut from the shot of Jason slicing Scott's throat.

Alternate Versions for
Friday the 13th Part 3: 3D (1982)
The following scenes were cut to avoid an "X" rating from the MPAA:
The death scene of Andy showed his right leg and stomach being cut apart.
Vera's death was longer, it included more blood and a shot of her reaction. It was cut because the board said that it looked too real.
A different ending in which Chris, is killed by Jason. Instead of being attacked in the water by his mother, Chris axes Jason in the head and goes out to lay in the canoe. The night becomes dawn and Chris gets out of the canoe to go back into the cabin. Chris walks up to the front door and opens it. Right there in the door is Jason with an axe in his hand. He grabs Chris by her hair and slices her head clean off of her shoulders.
Edna's death was cut of excess blood.
The impaling of Chili with the hot poker was cut. Originally, the impalement was shown, along with a splash of smoldering blood.
Debbie's death originally showed blood spraying across her upper half.

Alternate Versions for
Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter (1984)
The following scenes were cut from the film:
Nurse Rhonda was originally held up and gutted, but it ended up being cut out so that it only showed her being stabbed.
A scene cut in which Tommy shows Rob a fake guillotine. Tommy puts a stick in the guillotine. It drops and the stick is cut in two. Then, Tommy puts a fake arm in and cuts it off. Rob thinks its real and starts screaming. When Tommy starts laughing, Rob figures out that it is a joke. Trish comes in and asks Rob if he wants to stay for dinner. He doesn't.
One scene in which Doug and Sarah are on the porch. They stand outside and talk about not dancing.
In another scene, Mrs. Jarvis goes into Trish's room and tells her to go get a car part in town. Mrs. Jarvis also announces that she is going jogging before it storms.
A small scene cut during the time in which the Jarvis' car breaks down. In the original version, right after Trish tells Tommy to hurry up it cuts. It did continue with Tommy running up to Trish in a scary mask, scaring Trish. Tommy declares that he made the mask the first week that he got there.
Sarah and Doug are together in their room (before the party starts). They talk about how nice each others legs are and how nervous they are about going to the party.
A scene where Tommy shows Rob a toy soldier melting under a magnifying glass.
A scene where Trish finds her mother drowned in a bathtub.
The original script had character Tommy Jarvis splitting Jason's head open with a machete at the conclusion. Tom Savini wasn't particularly enthused with this lackluster method, and after a member of his effects crew (John Vulich) toyed with a prop machete used in Dawn Of The Dead, Savini got the idea of having the machete blade plowed into Jason's head, followed by the hilt hitting the floor and the villain sliding headfirst down the blade.
A scene after Rob finds his shotgun broken to pieces in which he sets up a motion sensor in the woods.
An extra scene at the very beginning in the moving ambulance: the two paramedics converse, the female medic says "I could've had the night off" and the male responds "Well, this was an emergency, like every damn thing." We then cut to the ambulance arriving at the scene and being directed to Jason's body, which is all we see in the wide release.

Alternate Versions for
Friday the 13th: A New Beginning (1985)
There is an alternate version of the film which runs 91 minutes and contains several small and mostly inconsequential differences. These are:
"Version 2" is in the lower right hand corner throughout the movie.
There is no close-up of Jason pulling the machete out of Neil's stomach during the opening sequence.
Duke's (the paramedic) line is altered when he sees Joey's body. In the original version he says "Bunch of pussies..." while in Version 2 he says "I'll be damned...".
There is a different angle briefly used in Pete's death.
The scene in which Ethel yells at Junior as he is eating his stew is re-edited to remove the profanity, and uses some different angles.
When Demon is about to open the outhouse door some of the profanity he uses is cut from the scene.
After Junior is decapitated there is an alternate angle of Ethel in the kitchen, and her dialogue is slightly altered.
The scene of Robin going to bed is re-edited to exclude some of her nudity and some dialogue.
Before the above scene is a scene of Violet in her room which originally was part of a scene which ocurred a few minutes later. When the scene happens a few minutes later, the footage that was previously used is not present.
When Pam fights off Roy with the chainsaw, she hits him twice in shoulder. Only the second hit appears in the original version.
When Roy dies, the camera stays on Pam, Tommy and Reggie instead of showing Roy falling on the spikes.
Eddie's death was cut to avoid an "X" rating; originally blood and his cranial innards spurted out of the straps as Roy twisted them.
When Lana the waitress is murdered with the ax, the shot of her body quivering was cut to avoid an "X" rating.

Alternate Versions for
Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives (1986)
The following scenes were cut to avoid an "X" rating:
Allen's insides were ripped out of his body by Jason. He dragged the guts and heart out; he dropped them on the ground where his heart laid steaming.
The triple decapitation of the 3 paintball players. The first print showed their heads being sliced right off of their shoulders.
The two camp counselors in the car's deaths were also trimmed: The woman speared in the water was cut of excess blood. The man was speared, lifted into the air, and then slid down the spear, leaving his insides on it.
Jason shoved the broken bottle into the caretaker's neck and he falls to the ground as the camera gets a close up of the blood coming out of the bottle.
Cort's death had a little more to it in the first print. After Cort is stabbed in the side of the head, blood begins to shoot out his head.
The wall-to-wall blood cabin originally had a lot more blood and guts in it. There were shots of livers and hearts running down the walls, but it was all thought too graphic to have in the film.
The backbreaking sheriff's scene had more to it. There were more screams, more bone crushing, and his legs began to kick.
A scene at the very end was cut. In it, a red-haired Elias Voorhees walked to his son's grave. Knowing he wasn't in the casket, Elias gives the camera a wicked glare.
Sissy's death was toned down. Originally, you could see her head torn off and dropped.

Alternate Versions for
Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood (1988)
The following scenes were removed from the film in order to get an "R" rating rather than an "X":
Jason's face is constantly masked in shadows to avoid shots of his moldy, decomposing face. The complex make-up was made to conform to actor Kane Hodder's face, but was later deleted from nearly the entire movie when the MPAA deemed it "a bit too grisly".
Judy's sleeping bag death was cut to absolutely no gore. In the uncut version Jason slams the sleeping bag against the tree repeatedly until the sleeping bag is soaked in blood.
Maddy's death, which is offscreen in the wide-release version, but in original prints a scythe is jammed into her neck and bursts from the other side.
Ben's death is much grislier. In uncut versions, Jason smashes his head into a mushy pulp and blood pours down his face.
Eddie's death was cut. In the original version, we see his head drop to the floor, but in the theatrical version, we only hear it.
Russ's head splits open as Jason hits it with an axe. This scene was also cut.
Amanda Shepard's death is virtually unseen in the wide release, which only shows her get stabbed from behind for a second and then cuts to Doctor Crew's shocked face. Uncut, she is impaled on the blade, which juts violently from her chest. Jason then lifts her off the ground on it and waits until she finally dies.
Dr. Crews was killed with a tree-trimming saw. Originally, Jason tore into his gut, spilling out a fountain of entrails and blood that spurted up into the air.
Melissa's death has an ax violently cleaving her face in two, splitting it down the middle in a gruesome close-up that left her eyes still wiggling in their sockets. Jason then tossed her aside, which is all we see in the cut release.
Dan's death was also cut. There was a shot of Jason's hand ripping through the front of his body with guts attached.
Tina Shepard has a vision of her mother's demise at Jason's hands while driving a car. Buechler originally wanted the vision to be of Jason holding the severed head of Mrs. Voorhees, but Gulf + Western wouldn't allow it.
A denouement scene was filmed in which a fisherman in a boat on Crystal Lake hooks a largemouth bass, but as he's reeling it in, Jason rises from the lake and pulls him under. The scene was removed from the final cut, because it was deemed too close to the ending of the original Friday the 13th and Part 3.
Michael's death was cut. Originally, Jason rammed the spike all the way through his body, causing blood to spurt out.
Tina's vision of Michael getting killed was also more graphic.


Alternate Versions for
Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan (1989)
The following scenes were removed in order to avoid an X-rating
Jim's death was much gorier. Originally, Jason shoves the entire spear gun through his stomach, then rips it out, causing Jim's intestines to slide out along with a large amount of blood.
Suzy's death was disturbingly gruesome. Jason shoves the spear through her stomach and twists it non-stop. There were close-up shots of Suzy's mouth gurgling blood and blood rapidly oozing from the spear wound.
Tamera's death in the original print was completely different. Originally, Jason repeatedly stabs her with a mirror shard in a shower while she's completely nude. Blood rapidly oozes from her stab wounds and Jason keeps stabbing non-stop.
The scene where the uncredited boxer gets the hot sauna rock shoved into his chest cavity was a re-shoot. Originally, Jason jammed two darts through his eye sockets, but it was deemed too graphic in the final cut, and the MPAA forced the crew to re-shot it.
A close up shot of Julius' head being knocked clean off was cut.


Alternate Versions for
Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday (1993)
The following cuts were made (some of the cuts were made in order to avoid an "NC-17" rating from the MPAA):
At the beginning, before Jason gets blown up by the FBI, the female cop shoots Jason in the head.
The fighting scene between Steven and Jason is longer. At one point Steven hides inside the climbing rack as Jason tries to grab him.
We see Duke being brought in the police station. Duke is brought in, having been found standing over the empty morgue cabinet that had held Diana's (Erin Gray) body. What was he doing there? "Trying to steal the body, obviously," Duke explains irritably, "but you f**ked up and let someone get to it before I could....if it's where I think it is, you're in a world of s**t."
In the morgue we see the coroner get some instruments from a cabinet.
More dialogue in the Duke interview.
The original ending where Steven kicks the knife in Jason's chest. Besides the giant hands there is also a creature which pulls down Jason into the ground.
Jason in the body of Josh kills the boyfriend of one of the waitresses after we see some dialogue between them and she leaves. Jason bangs the guy's head against a sink.
After the creature escapes Randy's body we see Duke fighting with it before it falls down the basement. Then there is a different dialogue where Steven asks Duke if the Voorhees which Jason has to be reborn trough must be alive.
Another dialogue where Robert Campbell talks on the phone in the Voorhees house while Steven hides in the closet. He says Jessica can never shut up about her family and he runs down the whole Voorhees family tree.
For the final edit, the character David (Jonathan Penner) and his murder were completely cut from the film. In bootleg prints, the character is dispatched by Deputy Josh (Andrew Bloch), who has been possessed by the Jason entity and who bashes David's head against a faucet.



The following appear in the workprint version only;
Alternate dialogue in the cell scene with Steven and Duke.
After Steven escapes from the police station, there is a scene showing him hide outside the diner as Vickie enters it.
More dialogue in the scene where Ward finds Steven in the back of the diner adoring his baby.
Before Jessica goes outside her house where Jason (in Robert's body) attacks her, she is shown inside the dark house looking around the living room, and jumping at the sudden lightning storm.
The creature that Duke fights with has grown to become a full-sized demon before Duke throws it into the basement.



Hope this helps everyone...
post #229 of 1200
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Anyone know how they ended up selling the rights to Newline?


I'm not sure of all the legal details, but I do know that Paramount sold only the rights to the character of "Jason", and not the whole franchise. Paramount retains ownership of the first eight films and the "Friday the 13th" title and logo. That's why New Line hasn't been able to use "Friday the 13th" in the title of any of its films, or include Paramount's footage in the "flashbacks" from FREDDY VS JASON.
post #230 of 1200
Matt,

Actually, New Line could use the Friday the 13th name if they want to... They just choose not to...

All you have to do is take a look at the Freddy vs Jason previews, DVD, merchandise from the series, etc... It does say "Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street" trademarks of New Line...

The official site has stated they have use to it as well...

Paramount owns the first 8 movies and possibly the characters from those movies (Tommy Jarvis for example)... I dont think they own anything else anymore...

New Line wanted to distance themselves from Paramounts movies... Thats why they no longer use the title... I dont see how it makes much difference... Most people know that it's a part of the series... Although, it would just seem strange IMO if something like Jason X carried the F13 title... It's just way too different from Paramounts movies IMO...

Actually, New Line no longer uses The Nightmare on Elm Street title either and hasnt in a long time...

I wouldnt expect the F13 of Elm Street titles to ever be used again... The last time either were used was 1989...

Another reason they keep the titles off is so people think every movie is new...

Believe it or not, there were people who did think Freddy vs Jason was a first in a series and the first time either character ever appeared...
post #231 of 1200
He's right. While sitting in the theater, I heard a girl say "I can't wait for Freddy Vs. Jason 2!" While she may not have been saying specifically that it was the first film... the way she said it made it seem like she'd never heard of the other ones.

I remember someone else also saying they heard a similar comment about Halloween: Resurrection (I can't wait for part 2!)
post #232 of 1200
It wasn't so much that Paramount sold the franchise. Sean S. Cunningham created the first FRIDAY THE 13TH film, and sold it to Paramount in the U.S. as a negative pickup. (That's how WB controls it in Europe, they bought it in that territory) Paramount then went into a long-term arrangement with Cunningham to make all the sequels (where he gradually became a silent partner) and the offshoot TV series (Cunningham's company was a prouduction partner in the show).

After the show folded and part 8 was done and it looked like Paramount's interest in the property had cooled (I think it was in one of the big anti-violence PMRC putsch of the '90's), Cunningham invoked his option to take the franchise elsewhere. That's how New Line got it.
post #233 of 1200
If you look in the legal indica on Paramount's DVD's for parts 5-8 it says "Friday the 13th is a registered trademark of New Line Cinema".
post #234 of 1200
That likely refers to the current use of the title.
post #235 of 1200
Yeah, it does, but I posted it in reference to the comment that New Line owns the Jason character but not the "Friday the 13th" name. They own it, they just choose not to use it. It's also mentioned in the legal indica of "Freddy vs. Jason".
post #236 of 1200
However, Paramount has a lot of other films to worry about. The majors can't give ALL of their attention to a certain title like BU or AB can. I'm sure both AB and BU would have problems if they were releasing 5-10 titles a month. They also don't have to worry about theatrical releases or anything else so to compare the two is a bit unfair.

I'm a die-hard F13 fan but if Paramount was to NEVER release another DVD then I'd be happy with what I've got. The V/A is great on all of them and that's what is important. Why people still doubt Paramount is beyond me. I was the first to "review" the first two films when released to DVD and my Paramount source made it very clear that new editions would follow after the original releases. We'd get 2 titles a year and then a re-release would follow and they haven't lied about this. Even in that original review, we made it quite clear that new versions would follow in the future and it looks like we're getting that.

I think horror fans can set themselves up when it comes to studios. I think certain films are just so big in the genre that studios can take advantage of fans and release a certain title many times because the fans will keep going back and buying it. We've seen this happy several times with Anchor Bay and EVIL DEAD, HALLOWEEN and now DAWN OF THE DEAD. I'm sure we'll eventually get another version of DAY OF THE DEAD, which would be their third. I'm sure something new could come from HALLOWEEN. From a business standpoint, Paramount was smart releasing bare bones discs and then following it up wih Special Editions. In fact, I've been joking the past four years that Paramount should do three releases. 1. Bare Bones 2. R-rated SEs 3 Uncut, SE. This way, they are just making more money because fans will buy them. I know I would.

From what I've heard from various sources (all involved with this set), Paramount is trying their hardest to do right with these films. However, I'm sure no one will ever be happy so I think the studio is pretty much wasting their time. Paramount could make each film 2-discs and I'm sure some (if not the majority) would be upset by something they did or didn't do. As for Paramount not caring about the series, let's just remember that all 8 films were on DVD because classics like HUD, ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST and THE AFRICAN QUEEN among many others. If Paramount was going by reputation or trying not to be embarrassed, we wouldn't have these F13 films in our collection before thes other films, which are considered masterpieces of American cinema.
post #237 of 1200
"I'm sure no one will ever be happy so I think the studio is pretty much wasting their time. Paramount could make each film 2-discs and I'm sure some (if not the majority) would be upset by something they did or didn't do. As for Paramount not caring about the series, let's just remember that all 8 films were on DVD because classics like HUD, ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST and THE AFRICAN QUEEN among many others. If Paramount was going by reputation or trying not to be embarrassed, we wouldn't have these F13 films in our collection before thes other films, which are considered masterpieces of American cinema"

The first half of your paragraph is based on what?
You certainly don't speak for all the Friday the 13th fans, or are you basing that assumption on your own sites’ forum members?
It’s more than obvious that some will be unhappy with Paramount (What no DTS, no THX?), but a blanket statement such as yours comes across as plain arrogant.
And the line about the Friday's being released before those 'classics'merely means those 'classics' needed to be restored prior to release, something the Friday series weren't in dire need of, you do the maths.

I'd also like to add having worked in the film industry during the Eighties, I had contacts working on part's 5 & 6 & even a close journalist friend visit the sets of F13th's 5, 6 & 7.
I can say that at that time Paramount were highly embarrassed by their success with such a lowbrow series.

It was during the filming of (at one point a Friday clone) April Fools Day, that a good friend mentioned Paramount tried their best to sabotage the originally ok'd script with more than the usual on set re-writes & additional filming, in effect changing the entire tone, to what we now know as a 'prank' movie.
But both times and regimes change, and It would seem that Paramount’s Home Video division are not as rabidly anti-horror as their theatrical side, hence the forthcoming box set with a surplus of extras.

Those with contacts in the industry are well aware they are actively looking for the MPAA cut footage with at least the alternate ending to Part 3 and other various trims already located & that Part five’s director Danny Steinmann is still AWOL.
post #238 of 1200
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The first half of your paragraph is based on what?


I'm not sure if my "first" paragraph is what you're talking about but it's based on the fact that AB and BU don't release films theatrically. Of course either of those studios would drool over owning F13 and I'm sure Paramount would as well if it were their only title to release. BU and AB own a handful of films while Paramount owns thousands. Paramount also has a larger group to sell to.

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You certainly don't speak for all the Friday the 13th fans, or are you basing that assumption on your own sites’ forum members?


Not one site but around twenty where Paramount seems to be Satan these days, or at least to F13 fans. The problem is that certain people throw blanket statements where they "claim" to know what the studio thinks and start passing this around as the truth.

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It’s more than obvious that some will be unhappy with Paramount (What no DTS, no THX?), but a blanket statement such as yours comes across as plain arrogant.


It might be looked at as arrogant but we'll find out for certain in around six months. There's no question that the majority is "unhappy" with what's out now and for the past five years they've been wanting SEs. We're getting SEs so let's see if Paramount will get some love.

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And the line about the Friday's being released before those 'classics'merely means those 'classics' needed to be restored prior to release, something the Friday series weren't in dire need of, you do the maths.


By doing the math, Paramount did remaster and give anamorphic transfer to all eight of the film so they did spend money cleaning them up. Personally, I like the fact that a studio releases their bigger titles with the same quality of something "low" like F13. They could have used the VHS and just put them on DVD but they did go to the trouble of making new transfers, which is a plus in my book.

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It was during the filming of (at one point a Friday clone) April Fools Day, that a good friend mentioned Paramount tried their best to sabotage the originally ok'd script with more than the usual on set re-writes & additional filming, in effect changing the entire tone, to what we now know as a 'prank' movie.


Just bought this one a few days ago. I don't think I've ever seen it except once on TBS so I can't wait. However, studios tampering with a film is certainly nothing new and it happens more than just with horror films. Paramount's OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN, which they were proud of, features tampering as well as it getting an X-rating with a scene having to be cut. This scene wasn't added back to the DVD and in the commentary the director says it was "thrown out". I guess we're lucky any extra scenes are available for these movies.

As for studios being embarrassed, we've heard this from actual director's as well. I'm sure there are many who are embarrassed that something "bad" like F13 was making more money at the box office than their "classic" film. I'm sure many are unhappy that F13 has lasted 20 years while their "classics" are all but forgotten. Disney is embarrassed by SONG OF THE SOUTH. Why? It's not available. The F13 films have always been available so it's not like the studio has tried throwing away the key on these films.

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Those with contacts in the industry are well aware they are actively looking for the MPAA cut footage with at least the alternate ending to Part 3 and other various trims already located


Certainly true. There are many people who know what's going to be released, which is a high point of having certain contacts at studios. Those who are in the "know" (yourself included) know that Paramount is certainly putting work into this. Since you know what's going on, wouldn't you say fans should be happy? Or, a better question, with what's going on, should anyone be unhappy?
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Speaking of April Fools Day...

I read the April Fools Day novel... *SPOILERS*

Damn!!! Paramount really butchered it... Everything ties together nicely and makes sense... What we basically have with the movie following the book is a middle with no beginning or end...

A shame as most of the scenes in the book were filmed... The entire 3rd act was filmed, but removed... Why??? Who knows... I would guess time... God forbid a movie run past 90 minutes...

I still like the movie to a certain extent, but many of the ideas were butchered...

The entire original beginning chapters and ending (about 40 pages after the joke) were completely removed from the movie... We are missing two days in the movie... The night before anyone arrives and the entire day and night after the joke...

The beginning sets up what is to come in the 3rd act after the joke ending nicely... It is a shame all of this was removed...

All murders on screen... I would assume they were possibly filmed... Because they are basically extensions... The set ups in the movie for the most part are the same... Nans was interesting with the two bobbing heads watching her from the woods which leads to a face to face with a killer and a pair of hedgeclippers... The happens right after she is crying by the tree, but she disappears with no explanation in the movie...

Muffy's nightmares about a ghostly figure trying to kill her are excellent forshadowing of what is to come after the joke... She thinks she is just nervous from what we find out later is trying to pull this prank off...

The killer watching Muffy through the window the night after the joke...

The killer (taller, more vicious, scarier) showing up in the Buffy costume the night after the joke...

Nan being so pissed about the abortion tape... Muffy still cant figure out why Nan is so upset the day after the joke... Muffy is confused and claims she never left such a tape... We learn she actually left a different tape and someone switched it... Makes more sense because why would Muffy leave such a tape even as a prank??? That is just out of character IMO...

Muffy jumping out and stabbing the killer with her fake knife she used the night before... She thinks this is another prank... She scares the killer who in turn becomes very pissed off and darts towards her...

Just more about Muffy, Skip, and family in general... Skips hidden jealousy and hatred of Muffy that Muffy herself doesnt know about... Muffy adores Skip... Little bits are actually set up in the movie of this, but nothing is done with it...

The book does tie up all the loose ends of the movie nicely... Shame much of it wasnt used...
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I dont know if 5.1 tracks on the Friday series would be very good... I just hope they leave the original mono and stereo tracks, because I think they sound better...

I notice that in many cases, the original mono tracks sound better and more natural... Thats the way they were shot and made...

The 5.1 track on Friday 7 was very lackluster IMO and just not good... Many 5.1 tracks on older movies just sound generic and fake to me... I thought the one on The Terminator was awful for example...

They are great for movies that were shot that way, but not for those that were not IMO...

IMO, it wasnt even worth the time or money Paramount invested to put the 5.1 track on Friday 7 because it just wasnt good...

Me personally??? I would be happy for a barebones set of uncut versions (those that exist) with original mono and stereo tracks... Good audio and video... Trailers... I am set...

I wouldnt expect THX certified, DTS, commentaries, interviews, etc... Interviews, Commentaries, and things like that I could really care less about...

I am one who thinks the Nightmare box is basically fluff that I would never watch again... The whole Nightmare Encyclopedia I could have lived without... More is not always better than less IMO... It's why I thought the Laserdisc two set of Nightmare 1 is so much better... Better extras, more Wes Craven involvement, uncut movie, and deleted scenes... The DVD really does pale in comparison and it's not even an uncut print...

The movie as shot, deleted scenes, and things like that are the interests of mine...

Michael Elliot,

It was a mistake on Paramounts part releasing another movie so soon after Friday 4, because Friday 4 was officially the last of the series... Paramount put it to a close... All the major newspapers announced Part 4 as the last in the series... The series was officially over and done...

Then something happened... Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter gave Paramount it's highest opening weekend for any movie from their company up to that point in 1984... Paramount was pretty surprised at the time... It's really the only reason they even continued the series from what I have heard...

Yes, they were ashamed that this movie gave them their highest opening weekend in the history of the company at that point, but they still happily took the cash and continued on through 4 more movies...

Ashamed, but obviously not ashamed enough...
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