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post #31 of 50
8/4/03 at 6:34pm
Why is this cropped? Is it closer to the cropping seen in theatrical release?
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post #32 of 50
8/4/03 at 8:38pm
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I concur with Mr. Harris, but do have one question.


GARY what did mr. harris say? i cant find anything in this thread that he posted.
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post #33 of 50
8/5/03 at 5:44am
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GARY what did mr. harris say? i cant find anything in this thread that he posted.
No response as of yet...

Cheers,
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post #34 of 50
8/5/03 at 6:35am
oh? hmm.

gary when you said...
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I concur with Mr. Harris, but do have one question.
it seems like you are responding to something he said already.
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post #35 of 50
8/5/03 at 6:43am
I think that Gary is refering to this thread in which RAH champions the new transfer.

It's a great transfer. I love this new edition.


Gordy
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post #36 of 50
8/5/03 at 6:44am
Robert Harris said in another thread:

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As we seem to be behind on the Bits column, I wanted to make it known that I've screened Warner's new release of Casablanca.

Someone has handled digital cleanup properly as while the grain structure is still very much intact and similar to that of the previous release, the dupe sections now look appreciatively better, with a better rendition of gray scale and better contrast values.

Both visually and sonically, the new Casablanca is a treat and is highly recommended.

Its the best that I've seen it look in decades.

RAH
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post #37 of 50
8/5/03 at 6:46am
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it seems like you are responding to something he said already.

I am...
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"Someone has handled digital cleanup properly as while the grain structure is still very much intact and similar to that of the previous release, the dupe sections now look appreciatively better, with a better rendition of gray scale and better contrast values.

Both visually and sonically, the new Casablanca is a treat and is highly recommended.

Its the best that I've seen it look in decades."

It is all in my comparison HERE

Cheers,
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post #38 of 50
8/5/03 at 6:48am
Comments on the cropping?

RAH...would love to know what you think given the framing comparisons on the dvdbeaver site...
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post #39 of 50
8/5/03 at 7:58am
The cropping seems minimal, certainly not enough to be concerned about (as Gary said), but would also love to hear Mr. Harris's thoughts about why it might be.
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Why is it cropped on all 4 sides?
Actually, comparing the two region 1 images the SE has as much or more image on the left side.
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post #40 of 50
8/5/03 at 8:18am
I'm not sure about why there is cropping - it certainly wasn't done to piss us off!

It may be that different telecines have slightly differnt opticals and cannot capture the full information of an Academy ratio from 1.37:1 to 1.33:1 for the film-to-tape transfer.

The remastered edition of The Shining is also cropped on all four sides in comparison to the dogshit edition. Why, I do not know.

On most occassions, cropping isn't noticeable, but it does happen. Just because a DVD is in it's OAR, it doesn't mean your seeing the whole picture - could be zoomed-in, but still 2.35:1, for example.

Actually, cropping on vintage 1.37:1 Academy ratio films is often the worst of all - or at least it used to be.


Gordy
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post #41 of 50
8/5/03 at 9:18pm
"Someone" is probably (though I can't find confirmation of this) LDI, who has also done work on next month's Treasure of the Sierra Madre (which I did read somewhere ). Ferreting out the specific releases on which they work can be a chore, but Casablanca is a probable candidate, particularly given the upcoming Sierra Madre. Whether they've done either primary or ancillary work on The Adventures of Robin Hood remains unclear -- that may be a WB only restoration (various reports have LDI providing clean-up and "anti-flare" services, at the least, on Singin' in the Rain, so ... the plot thickens).

Gary's site is the only place that seems to be addressing cropping, but off hand I'd back Gordon's assumption: telecine discrepancies in line with all home video transfers. I just bought the release today (Best Buy has it for $17.99 this week, in accord with their usual "WB digipak first week discount"), but haven't had a chance to watch it yet.
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post #42 of 50
8/6/03 at 8:00am
Minor nitpick; It seems they employed the "auto-play" feature which I absolutely despise.

BTW, great review Herb.
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post #43 of 50
8/6/03 at 8:33am
"Auto-play"?? I had to click on Play Feature on menu before I could play the film.
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post #44 of 50
8/6/03 at 8:43am
Really, Peter? That's weird; on my copy, the film will automatically begin after a while if it is left on the main menu! Which I don't like. If I am getting things ready before I watch a DVD, the last thing I want is the film to begin while I'm arranging chips, dips and in the case of a film like this - the Martinis!


Gordy
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post #45 of 50
8/6/03 at 8:54am
Almost all WB discs will go into auto-play after the main menu runs for a few minutes.

Most never notice bcs they hit play manually within this time-frame.

It's a safety feature so that the menu doesn't cause burn-in to your CRT or plasma by just hanging there for hours and hours if you happen to forget the DVD was left in the player.

It's one of the reasons we'd often use WB DVDs as "demo discs" in the AV shop where I used to work...never had to worry about the DVD ending and going back to the main-menu which would just sit there and burn in the displays...the movies wouuld play over again and "loop" a few minutes after the menu would come up.
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post #46 of 50
8/11/03 at 2:41pm
I picked up my copy of Casablanca this weekend and checked out some of the material on the disc, and I have to admit, this is one mighty fine DVD for a 60-year-old movie! Right up there with Warner's DVD of Citizen Kane.

One thing I noticed about the theatrical trailers: the original trailer looked really wonderful - they don't make them like that anymore! The 1992 re-release trailer, however, didn't look as good as the original trailer. There was some obvious distortions on the left hand side of the screen.

The Casablanca tribute feature, in which Lauren Bacall talks about the different versions of the film over the years, was quite informative. Who'd have known there were different versions along the way? I remember the 1980's TV series, and somehow that one just didn't have the feel of the movie. But the Looney Tunes cartoon short "Carrotblanca" was absolutely wonderful!

And who would have thought that some of the classic moments of the film involved models, matte paintings, trick photography, etc., a la Citizen Kane? We don't think about such things today because we're used to seeing them all the time, but back then that was mighty impressive.

That has me thinking... if they did Casablanca today in 2003, who knows who would have played the roles? I could probably see Harrison Ford as Rick, but that's about it. Let's face it, they just don't make 'em like this anymore, this is one beautiful film, and Warner did it justice with this DVD. Well done!
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post #47 of 50
9/1/03 at 2:59pm
Well, I bought this DVD 3 weeks ago, but just got around to watching it yesterday afternoon. Having never seen it (I KNOW, I KNOW!) I was literally stunned. I mean, I've always WANTED to see it, but the acting was superb, watching Bogart's Rick wielding a great power of authority within the Cafe Americain, and being a sentimentalist at heart. And Bergman- whoa! What a beautiful woman and wonderful actress.

Now, I'm not as young as most of you are-I'm 45- but seeing this movie really makes me appreciate those classics of yesterday. I couldn't get over, after seeing part of a commentary on the 2nd disc and the quality of the film prior to its restoration, the quality of this disc. This has quickly become one of my most treasured DVD's.

Thanks for the great review!
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post #48 of 50
9/1/03 at 3:58pm
I didn't think there would be much of an improvement over my existing R2 copy, but I was completely blown away. Another fabulous triumph from Warners.

Citizen Kane, Now Voyager, Mildred Pierce, Casablanca, The Prince and The Pauper; the restorations, the standard of the transfers just gets better and better.

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So many films, so little time...
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post #49 of 50
9/1/03 at 4:56pm
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That has me thinking... if they did Casablanca today in 2003, who knows who would have played the roles?



J-Lo and Affleck... or Britney Murphy and Aston Kuthcher! "Dude, we'll SO always have Paris!" :p)
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post #50 of 50
9/1/03 at 5:46pm
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"Dude, we'll SO always have Paris!"


HAHA!
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