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post #91 of 527
6/18/04 at 11:46am
I was reading a recent Mobius forum thread in which film historian Tim Lucas (who is working on the upcoming Videodrome DVD) stated that Cronenberg probably doesn't want deleted scenes and such from his films to be released. Having hungered to see The Fly's deleted scenes for *years*, this disturbs me.

On the one hand, if Cronenberg's terms aren't met and he declines to contribute to the Fly SE, then we may get the deleted scenes, but if he does participate, then we might not. Either situation would be bad.

To whomever is working on this release, just remember: an audio commentary and a photo gallery does not a "special" edition make!
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post #92 of 527
6/18/04 at 11:57am
Well hopefully, knowing the legendary status of these scenes, Cronenberg will make an acception. If they get his participation at all, that is.
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post #93 of 527
6/18/04 at 12:01pm
The difference with THE FLY is that at least one of the deleted scenes- the "monkey cat" scene, which is also the most notorious deleted scene- was deleted largely due to test audience reactions and not neccessarily because Cronenberg didn't like it. I think (hope) he might make an exception for that scene at least.

Vincent
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post #94 of 527
6/18/04 at 12:07pm
As I understand it, the monkey-cat scene was deleted because of a test screening in which the audience felt Brundle was being cruel to the animals (the audience was shown the film twice, once with the scene, and once without, and Tim Lucas also thinks the questionaire was "loaded" to produce such a response).

Cronenberg "tended" to agree (I don't think he had final cut), and the scene was deleted.

Watching The Fly as it stands, it feels like there's a chunk missing in the latter third of the film.

The monkey-cat scene provided foreshadowing of Brundle's "final solution", showed an important intermediate makeup stage, revealed the fate of the surviving lab baboon, and marked a pivotal moment in Brundle's mental degeneration.

Isn't that worthy of the DVD?

The other deleted scenes are also sound very interesting, and not at all like the usual ho-hum deleted scenes for other films.
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post #95 of 527
6/18/04 at 12:42pm
Yeah, I'd love to see the monkey-cat scene, the leg-bite scene, and the butterfly coda here and the second "twin nightmare" sequence that was cut out of Dead Ringers.
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post #96 of 527
6/19/04 at 5:14pm
Maybe you don't want Cronenberg's *total* consent for an SE's content. A quote from the current Macleans (Canada's Newsweek/Time):

"I don't put bloopers or any extra footage on my DVDs - this stuff was taken out of the film for a reason. It's like if you're a poet and you say, 'At the end of the book I'm going to show you these really bad lines of poetry that I realize are horrible.' Why would you do that?"
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post #97 of 527
6/19/04 at 5:14pm
Maybe you don't want Cronenberg's *total* consent for an SE's content. A quote from the current Macleans (Canada's Newsweek/Time):

"I don't put bloopers or any extra footage on my DVDs - this stuff was taken out of the film for a reason. It's like if you're a poet and you say, 'At the end of the book I'm going to show you these really bad lines of poetry that I realize are horrible.' Why would you do that?"
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post #98 of 527
6/19/04 at 7:18pm
Well if we're not getting any deleted scenes OR director commentary on this thing, then it won't be much of a special edition at all. Anything else would be pretty lackluster in comparison.
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post #99 of 527
6/19/04 at 7:18pm
Well if we're not getting any deleted scenes OR director commentary on this thing, then it won't be much of a special edition at all. Anything else would be pretty lackluster in comparison.
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post #100 of 527
6/20/04 at 4:37am
Actually, it seems like it's either commentary AND a proper film transfer or deleted scenes-- two good points versus one good point, and it all depends on Cronenberg's participation. I own four Cronenberg DVDs, none have deleted scenes and Videodrome isn't going to have any. It depends on your preferences for supplements whether you think Cronenberg's participation is a blessing or a curse. I myself am now torn. I'd double dip, if a director-approved version comes out down the road, finally, or, better yet, Cronenberg can cave-in and permit deleted scenes on his discs.
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post #101 of 527
6/20/04 at 4:37am
Actually, it seems like it's either commentary AND a proper film transfer or deleted scenes-- two good points versus one good point, and it all depends on Cronenberg's participation. I own four Cronenberg DVDs, none have deleted scenes and Videodrome isn't going to have any. It depends on your preferences for supplements whether you think Cronenberg's participation is a blessing or a curse. I myself am now torn. I'd double dip, if a director-approved version comes out down the road, finally, or, better yet, Cronenberg can cave-in and permit deleted scenes on his discs.
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post #102 of 527
6/20/04 at 7:17am
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"I don't put bloopers or any extra footage on my DVDs - this stuff was taken out of the film for a reason. It's like if you're a poet and you say, 'At the end of the book I'm going to show you these really bad lines of poetry that I realize are horrible.' Why would you do that?"


1) Because people are curious about the creative process and want to see the things the creator thought didn't work;

2) Because a lot of the time, material gets cut for reasons OTHER than that it sucks - time, pacing, etc.

It's Cronenberg's business if he doesn't want to include deleted scenes, but his reasoning doesn't fit all - or most - situations...
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post #103 of 527
6/20/04 at 7:17am
Quote:
"I don't put bloopers or any extra footage on my DVDs - this stuff was taken out of the film for a reason. It's like if you're a poet and you say, 'At the end of the book I'm going to show you these really bad lines of poetry that I realize are horrible.' Why would you do that?"


1) Because people are curious about the creative process and want to see the things the creator thought didn't work;

2) Because a lot of the time, material gets cut for reasons OTHER than that it sucks - time, pacing, etc.

It's Cronenberg's business if he doesn't want to include deleted scenes, but his reasoning doesn't fit all - or most - situations...
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post #104 of 527
6/20/04 at 11:11am
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It's Cronenberg's business if he doesn't want to include deleted scenes, but his reasoning doesn't fit all - or most - situations...
Except those involving the DVD releases of his own films, which is really all he needs to justify. If he doesn't want deleted scenes on the disc because he thinks they'll alter a viewer's perception of the finished film then that's fair enough.
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post #105 of 527
6/20/04 at 11:11am
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It's Cronenberg's business if he doesn't want to include deleted scenes, but his reasoning doesn't fit all - or most - situations...
Except those involving the DVD releases of his own films, which is really all he needs to justify. If he doesn't want deleted scenes on the disc because he thinks they'll alter a viewer's perception of the finished film then that's fair enough.
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post #106 of 527
6/20/04 at 1:38pm
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Except those involving the DVD releases of his own films, which is really all he needs to justify. If he doesn't want deleted scenes on the disc because he thinks they'll alter a viewer's perception of the finished film then that's fair enough.


That's what I said - I noted that it's his business if he wants to exclude them. However, his quote seemed to question the rationale behind EVER including them, and it implied that deleted scenes are cut ONLY because they suck. I objected to that part...
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post #107 of 527
6/20/04 at 1:38pm
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Except those involving the DVD releases of his own films, which is really all he needs to justify. If he doesn't want deleted scenes on the disc because he thinks they'll alter a viewer's perception of the finished film then that's fair enough.


That's what I said - I noted that it's his business if he wants to exclude them. However, his quote seemed to question the rationale behind EVER including them, and it implied that deleted scenes are cut ONLY because they suck. I objected to that part...
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post #108 of 527
6/21/04 at 8:38am
good for you colin, good for you.
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post #109 of 527
6/21/04 at 8:38am
good for you colin, good for you.
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post #110 of 527
6/21/04 at 10:05pm
As a huge fan of The Fly who has been begging to do this DVD for years, you can rest assured that I'm doing everything I possibly can to resolve this. The good news is Cronenberg's in for the commentary. As for the rest ... we'll see.

Cheers,

David Prior
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post #111 of 527
6/21/04 at 10:05pm
As a huge fan of The Fly who has been begging to do this DVD for years, you can rest assured that I'm doing everything I possibly can to resolve this. The good news is Cronenberg's in for the commentary. As for the rest ... we'll see.

Cheers,

David Prior
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post #112 of 527
6/21/04 at 10:17pm
THAT'S great news. Good luck David.
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post #113 of 527
6/21/04 at 10:17pm
THAT'S great news. Good luck David.
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post #114 of 527
6/21/04 at 10:53pm
Thread Starter 
Perhaps showing him this link might help? the reaction of the fans about the deleted scenes?

in other news? are there plans for interview with other cast and crew members? John getz has retired from movies and is a teacher or something now. hopefully you can interview him.

JACOB
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post #115 of 527
6/21/04 at 10:53pm
Thread Starter 
Perhaps showing him this link might help? the reaction of the fans about the deleted scenes?

in other news? are there plans for interview with other cast and crew members? John getz has retired from movies and is a teacher or something now. hopefully you can interview him.

JACOB
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post #116 of 527
6/22/04 at 1:30am
that is very good news David

I am stoked already
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post #117 of 527
6/22/04 at 1:30am
that is very good news David

I am stoked already
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post #118 of 527
6/22/04 at 3:53pm
Normally I'd be excited, but if its an "either/or" thing, then I'd rather have the famous cut scenes than Cronenberg's commentary. I really hope we get both though.
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post #119 of 527
6/22/04 at 3:53pm
Normally I'd be excited, but if its an "either/or" thing, then I'd rather have the famous cut scenes than Cronenberg's commentary. I really hope we get both though.
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post #120 of 527
6/23/04 at 2:45pm
I assume this means a new transfer as well?

I'm giddy that this SE is actually going to happen.

The film stands very well on its own, but the deleted scenes have a mystique all their own (and are not the redundant kind, like the other Dead Ringers dream sequence was cut for being). I hope and pray that we'll get them too.

The completeness of said scenes is also an issue.

As I understand it, the monkey-cat and leg amputation scenes are supposed to be one long sequence. Brundle creates and then kills the monkey-cat, then climbs up onto the roof and has pain in his side, causing him to fall onto an awning, where the leg bursts out and is bit off.

Presumably, the rough cut (preview screening) version ended after the monkey-cat's death.

It's also unknown how complete the leg amputation was (how much was cut together). The whole scene may have been scrapped before it was cut together due to the underlit leg amputation shot.

What a wonderful opportunity it would be to see this sequence completed...
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