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post #421 of 527
DavisDvd has the cover art for The Fly II.



I was hoping for the poster art. I hope The Fly has a better cover.
post #422 of 527
Thread Starter 
they do match the predator and predator 2 collectors editon.
I agree. I rather have the movie poster.

JACOB
post #423 of 527
It would be cool if the fly's eyes were made of some sort of reflective and non-paper material.
post #424 of 527
I really hope The Fly has a better cover than that. Why waste a perfectly good, iconic poster design?
post #425 of 527
Because it's Fox. See the Homer Simpson-head/Simpson Season Six set for proof.

When it comes to THE FLY's box art, Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid.
post #426 of 527
Thread Starter 
how do we complain to fox about the ugly cover? in time for them to change it?

here is something that you believe or not.

back in 1998.. I had conversation on the net with an actress from the x-files.. when the finally released the x-files movie on dvd.. I had made a suggestion to the actress about changing the cover a bit.. it would not be the same as the video.. they changed the bottom part of it for the dvd release.
I remember when I saw the poster art posted the first time and then it was revised to the new poster.. I think it was digital bits that said something about the change of cover art for it.
like I said.. believe it or not.
maybe there is hope.
JACOB
post #427 of 527
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back in 1998.. I had conversation on the net with an actress from the x-files..


Psst...GillianAnder73532 was actually a 55-year old guy from Michigan.

DJ
post #428 of 527
Sure, it'd be nice if all covers used the movie but in the end the content on the DVD (which, to me, seems like it will be one of the best of the year) is what's important.
post #429 of 527
Thread Starter 
it was the real gillian anderson.. she was working on the x-files tv series at the time.. I would talk with her during her lunch break from time to time.

JACOB
post #430 of 527
You could always buy the R2 release. I find the R2 covers are usually better than the R1 ones; I don't understand the need to create a completely different cover from the poster/video release of a film just because it's out on DVD.
post #431 of 527
I think it's a bold choice, rather striking. I kinda like it. Although I do agree that the poster art is very iconic (and better). We'll see how it goes. As has been stated, it's content that matters.
post #432 of 527
I heard Fly 2 wasn't that good can anyone else comment on this? I thought the Fly 1 was great though so I'll probably pick that up.
post #433 of 527
The Fly II to me is an amalgam of elements that the first film wisely avoided but this one gratuitously embraces to appeal to the fans of gorefest cinema. If you enjoy that kind of film (and it certainly can be entertaining)you might like it but don't expect to see the underlining, metaphorical themes of Cronenberg's masterpiece. If anything the sequel tarnished the integrity of the orignal when it was released and it will do so again with this SE. I know some will disagree but that's how I've always felt about it.
post #434 of 527
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Mr. David Cronenberg will be appearing at the san diego covention on thursday july 14, 2005! and also signing autographs!

JACOB
4:30-5:30 A Conversation with David Cronenberg-Director David Cronenberg
will appear to discuss his upcoming thriller A History of Violence, along
with writer Josh Olson. Plus, a special sneak peak at A History of Violence
footage. An autograph session with Cronenberg will follow in the Autograph
Area in the Sails Pavilion. Room 6CDEF



David Cronenberg, director (A History of Violence)
AA1 Thursday, 5:30 pm – 6:30 pm
post #435 of 527
Not to hijack the thread at all, but I saw A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE last week and it's astonishing. Really strong stuff all around. Great, tight story -- which is vastly different from the graphic novel source material -- and top-notch acting from Viggo Mortensen, Maria Bello, Ed Harris and William Hurt. Tentatively coming out the same week as both FLYs (9/30). Should be an interesting panel on the 14th; I might be there.
post #436 of 527
A few thoughts:

On The Fly II: Anyone who follows Cronenberg's films knows that they're sort of microverses. That is, the film is that little universe, and tells a complete story. Cronenberg doesn't like the idea of making sequels to his films (although others have made sequels, as in the case of Scanners).

In the case of The Fly II, Fox wanted a sequel, and Cronenberg wasn't available. So a small army of writers worked on the story (too many cooks in the kitchen). In fact, director Chris Walas was so frustrated by the way things were going that he tried to quit at one point. But then he convinced Fox to let him rework the film into something more salvagable, and I think he did an admirable job.

I personally don't feel that Fly II takes place in the same filmic universe as Fly I, since it doesn't follow the established rules of the Fly universe. I consider it to be a parallel universe, an offshoot. It doesn't "count".

However, setting aside any comparisions to the Cronenberg's film, it's much more enjoyable. Ity has its own rules, and it's the sort of "bad" film that's grown on me.
post #437 of 527
And what exactly are these "rules of the Fly universe" that Fly 2 defies?
post #438 of 527
That's a bit difficult to describe. Every film has its own dynamic, its own rules. Cronenberg's Fly has rules of its own (in terms of tone, characterization, etc.). The film's fictional science also has rules (based, for the most part, on real science concepts like gene-splicing, etc.). The Fly II's science fiction concepts (gene-swapping, Martin's cocoon metamorposis, etc.) don't jive with the rules established about the Telepods and the mutations (or, in the case of the cocoon, insect biology) seen in the first film (Indeed, in Cronenberg's film, the Telepods destroy objects and recreate them from raw stock--in a draft of the Fly II's script, it is stated that the pods work much the way the booths in the 1958 Fly film work: by transmitting atoms like a tv signal).

Then there are some continuity issues and flaws in logic:

In the first film, Bartok Science Industries funded Brundle's work, and was made to sound like a relatively small company. In Fly II, the sprawling company is called Bartok Industries (minus the "Science"), and is evil! I can't believe Seth Brundle would have worked for someone as obviously evil as Anton Bartok!

Also, we have the replacement of Geena Davis with Saffron Henderson (Are we to assume that, retroactively, Henderson played Ronnie in the first film? Henderson plays Ronnie in the birth scene, and overdubbed Davis' dialogue for the first "Seth Brundle videotape" sequence--actually a deleted scene from the first film). It is hinted at that Ronnie was taken in by Bartok and tricked into giving birth to Brundle's baby (he presumably told her it would be normal), whereas in Cronenberg's version of events (the first film's deleted epilogue/epilogues), Ronnie either aborted Brundle's child and got back together with Stathis, or decided to have the baby (without any sort of Bartok-interference). A logical extrapolation of Cronenberg's Fly universe would be that, after the events of the first film, telportation research would continue, but most likely without the sci-fi/horror aspects of the film (and would then change the world as we know it). As Cronenberg himself has said, Seth Brundle is akin to the first people working with radiation. Some died, yes, but the work progressed. Instead, Fly II gave us Bartok's master plan of using the pods to "control the form and function of all life on earth". Uhhhhh....wouldn't he just want to get filthy rich off having the patent to freakin' *teleportation*?????

And of course, the Telepods are structually different from the ones in the first film (which were destroyed and had to be rebuilt for the sequel), make different door/lock/teleportation sound effects, and for some reason don't work correctly at the beginning of Fly II (aside from Telepod 1 being severed from the computer and Telepod 2 being destroyed at the end of the first film, they worked fine).

And the second videotape of Seth Brundle that Martin watches (where he talks about his accident with the fly) should not exist. That was a private conversation from the first film between Seth and Ronnie that was not videotaped. The *only* way Bartok's people could get footage of that conversation...would be to go to the local video store and rent or buy first film!


But, as I've said, taken by itself, Fly II is a fun little gothic horror film, with a fine payoff at the end (we see Bartok pay for his evil deeds, and Martin--and perhaps, in a way, Seth--is redeemed.).
post #439 of 527
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I can't believe Seth Brundle would have worked for someone as obviously evil as Anton Bartok!


Yes, but the Fly II showed that Bartok masked his true personality pretty well. Martin Brundle thought of him as a father and genuinely loved him until he found out he was betrayed. So, I wouldn't say he was "Obviously" evil.

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It is hinted at that Ronnie was taken in by Bartok and tricked into giving birth to Brundle's baby (he presumably told her it would be normal), whereas in Cronenberg's version of events (the first film's deleted epilogue/epilogues), Ronnie either aborted Brundle's child and got back together with Stathis, or decided to have the baby (without any sort of Bartok-interference).

I'm not sure I recall that, if it is hinted at, where did it happen? (I suppose from her reactions to the sight of what she had given birth to might lend some creedence to that, but were there other hints?) I just figured that Bartok probably offered her a ton of money to give birth to Brundle's child

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Instead, Fly II gave us Bartok's master plan of using the pods to "control the form and function of all life on earth". Uhhhhh....wouldn't he just want to get filthy rich off having the patent to freakin' *teleportation*?????

Maybe he figured that it would just be easier to use the telepods as Gene Splicers and make money off of that. I mean, it would take quite an initiative, time and money to bring practical teleportation to the world. With Gene Splicing, they could just keep banks of the pods within their own facilities. It seems to be in line with his true character as well. Brundle was in it for more noble purposes and had enthusiasim about changing the world. Bartok's vision for the pods was more nefarious act of "playing God."

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and for some reason don't work correctly at the beginning of Fly II (aside from Telepod 1 being severed from the computer and Telepod 2 being destroyed at the end of the first film, they worked fine).

Perhaps the Bartok scientists has to rebuild code for the pods and lost the instruction for how the pods should treat organic matter. It even took Brundle much time before he was able to get that part right.

I was always thought it was quite silly how whatever object they put in the pods, (even non-orgainc ones) made a characteristic sound at the moment of teleportation.
post #440 of 527
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I can't believe Seth Brundle would have worked for someone as obviously evil as Anton Bartok!
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Yes, but the Fly II showed that Bartok masked his true personality pretty well. Martin Brundle thought of him as a father and genuinely loved him until he found out he was betrayed. So, I wouldn't say he was "Obviously" evil.

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Oh, he's evil. He's clearly evil.



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It is hinted at that Ronnie was taken in by Bartok and tricked into giving birth to Brundle's baby (he presumably told her it would be normal), whereas in Cronenberg's version of events (the first film's deleted epilogue/epilogues), Ronnie either aborted Brundle's child and got back together with Stathis, or decided to have the baby (without any sort of Bartok-interference).
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I'm not sure I recall that, if it is hinted at, where did it happen? (I suppose from her reactions to the sight of what she had given birth to might lend some creedence to that, but were there other hints?) I just figured that Bartok probably offered her a ton of money to give birth to Brundle's child

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Ronnie: "You said it wasn't gonna be like this! You promised!"

A draft of the script (and interviews) state that Stathis took Bartok's hush money after Martin's birth (and one draft states that he was told Martin died with Ronnie in childbirth).


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Instead, Fly II gave us Bartok's master plan of using the pods to "control the form and function of all life on earth". Uhhhhh....wouldn't he just want to get filthy rich off having the patent to freakin' *teleportation*?????
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Maybe he figured that it would just be easier to use the telepods as Gene Splicers and make money off of that. I mean, it would take quite an initiative, time and money to bring practical teleportation to the world. With Gene Splicing, they could just keep banks of the pods within their own facilities. It seems to be in line with his true character as well. Brundle was in it for more noble purposes and had enthusiasim about changing the world. Bartok's vision for the pods was more nefarious act of "playing God."

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Perhaps. As I've said, it works by itself (flaws in logic and all), but it doesn't quite fit with the nature of the first film.


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and for some reason don't work correctly at the beginning of Fly II (aside from Telepod 1 being severed from the computer and Telepod 2 being destroyed at the end of the first film, they worked fine).
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Perhaps the Bartok scientists has to rebuild code for the pods and lost the instruction for how the pods should treat organic matter. It even took Brundle much time before he was able to get that part right.

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It's been theorized that Bartok's people took the pods apart and put them back together again (which would explain the new--and less impressive/creative--computer console), but why would they tinker with technology they had no clue about (remember, Brundle kept the project's existence quiet)? All they had to do was reconnect Telepod 1 to the computer and Telepod 3 (prototype), and it would have worked fine. And the computer was left on at the end of the film (and taking typed commands instead of verbal ones), so there's little chance that they wouldn't be able to access it without Seth's password, etc.
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I was always thought it was quite silly how whatever object they put in the pods, (even non-orgainc ones) made a characteristic sound at the moment of teleportation.
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Too true. The cat meows. The dog barks. The phone beeps. The cactus makes a squishy sound. Another violation of the first film's rules. But, once again, if Fly II is taken by itself, it works better.
post #441 of 527
I saw an interesting promo on Fox the other day, so I decided to watch Family Guy on Sunday. The episode's pre-credits teaser featured Stewie testing his Teleportation Pod, only to discover that his Teddy bear is in there with him. He comes out fused with the bear. Clearly, the animators used Cronenberg's Fly as reference. Very cute!
post #442 of 527
Dvdanswers.com reports that Fox has announced a one-week delay for the Fly/Fly II SEs (from Sept. 27 to Oct. 4).

Can anyone confirm/deny?
post #443 of 527
Thread Starter 
october 4th is the day before my birthday.. and a lovely birthday present it will be. to get both special edition dvds for my birthday!

JACOB
post #444 of 527
Have seen Fly II artwork but no Fly I yet?
post #445 of 527
Correct. I wonder if Fly I will also be in the "Collector's Series". Hmm.
post #446 of 527
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Have seen Fly II artwork but no Fly I yet?


It's coming.
post #447 of 527
That's what I like to hear!

I gotta say that this disc seems like it's gonna be the horror fan's DVD of the year
post #448 of 527
Okay David whats on the cover. Spill the beans.
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post #450 of 527
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I saw the panel with david cronenberg promoting his latest movie.. I was able to ask the last question.. which was about the fly remake dvd and deleted scenes.. I also thank him for giving permisison on the deleted footage.

he said that some scenes didn;t work..(generally deleted scenes).. sometimes the pacing was not working.. however sometimes he didn;t want to show the deleted footage cause maybe the actor might have given a bad performance and he didn;t want to emberessment of the actor.. which I thought was interesting.. he said he liked the documentary for the fly dvd.. he did a commentary and you will see the cat monkey scene.. It was the only scene I could think of at the moment when doing the questions.. the important thing.. was saying thank you for changing his mind about the deleted scenes and letting us see it.

JACOB
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