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post #241 of 415
3/28/07 at 6:18pm

Re: Genesis on SACD soon

Any pro reviews of any of these discs yet?
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post #242 of 415
3/29/07 at 12:16am

Re: Genesis on SACD soon

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Originally Posted by Craig Rosenthal
Took the plunge on the box set from www.hmv.co.jp last night at 11,512 yen (shows as 12,088 yen but drops to 11,512 yen at checkout for some reason). Shipping is another 1,200 yen. At 110 yen or so to the dollar after the credit card fees for foreign transactions, it will be about $120 or so.

Hopefully these really are NTSC Region All DVDs as it clearly states on the HMV site, although I care 90% about the SACDs and 10% about whether the DVDs are viewable.

If you want the full track lists, go to www.hmv.co.jp, then scroll down until you see the "English" link at the bottom of the page. Then search for Genesis and scroll down to the box set. The page that displays when you click it shows the full track lists for the first discs, with a link at the bottom that will bring up all of the discs.

To all recent posters: thanks for keeping this thread alive and thanks for the HMV Japan link -- I gave up on this thread about 6 months ago and just stumbled back over it yesterday. It must have been fate because right after I ordered the SACDs my wife showed me an Amex Gold Card Events email that had Roger Waters coming back to NY in the Fall (I saw him last fall). Right below Roger Waters was the Genesis pre-sale at Giants Stadium that started today. Needless to say, I also bought two tickets today for the upcoming Genesis show.

The box set is marked as sold out - limited edition on HMV's site now. It isn't even listed, you see it if you click on the link in your order status.
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post #243 of 415
3/29/07 at 1:26am

Re: Genesis on SACD soon

i'll try to find it but the producer has posted on steve hoffmans board
he said it, the box, is not limited and hmv can just order more if they choose to.
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post #244 of 415
3/29/07 at 1:30am

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found it

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/sh...&postcount=558
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post #245 of 415
3/29/07 at 9:34am

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You can order the NTSC version of the boxed set directly off the Genesis website for 92 pounds (including shipping to the US), which works out to about US$180.

Think I'll wait for HMV Japan to get 'em back in.
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post #246 of 415
3/29/07 at 5:24pm

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I'm *hoping* that once these are actually released , that we'll have the choice of more places offering SACD/NTSC combos. I think I could spring for these if I could find them for the $120 that some people got, but not for much more than that.
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post #247 of 415
3/31/07 at 5:11pm

Re: Genesis on SACD soon

I noticed the entire catalog sans Calling All Stations is available on mini-lp replica sleeves, how is the remastering on them? I've considered getting a few of them on ebay
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post #248 of 415
4/4/07 at 5:29am

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CD Universe has the 1976-1982 Box Set (NTSC) on their web site for $150.09. They show a release date of 4/17.
http://www.cduniverse.com/productinf...=7413901&BAB=B
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post #249 of 415
4/4/07 at 9:23am

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Took delivery of the box set today.

Haven't had time to listen to it in 5.1 yet. However, I did watch the Lyceum show on my computer and it was a welcome change from the 5th generation VHS bootleg copy which of course I've never seen personally ...

I've read the booklet that came with the discs and for once we have something that is informative and not afraid to be critical - full marks to Genesis for allowing honesty rather than the sort of uncritical saccharin that normally gets dumped on us.

More on the small matter of sound quality once I've had chance to have a good listen (though be warned my system is probably not up to the exacting standards of a lot of folks here).
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post #250 of 415
4/4/07 at 9:24am

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I noticed the entire catalog sans Calling All Stations is available on mini-lp replica sleeves, how is the remastering on them?
Same as on the last remaster before the 5.1. I've got the whole set and they are a delight to own, provided they're kept in pristine condition.
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post #251 of 415
4/4/07 at 9:39am

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Originally Posted by Luna5
CD Universe has the 1976-1982 Box Set (NTSC) on their web site for $150.09. They show a release date of 3/17.
http://www.cduniverse.com/productinf...=7413901&BAB=B

Just placed order with $10.00 discount through google checkout
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post #252 of 415
4/4/07 at 11:26am

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Originally Posted by Danny Tse
Just placed order with $10.00 discount through google checkout
Looks like their price went up to $159.99...it was $150.99 when I posted earlier. Release date was also changed to 4/9 from 4/17. Didn't take long to go up!
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post #253 of 415
4/4/07 at 11:26am

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EDIT: PLEASE IGNORE THESE COMMENTS (EXCEPT THE ONE ABOUT THE 'MAKING OF' SECTIONS) - SEE MY MESSAGE BELOW

First listen (sampling a couple of tracks from each album) seems to indicate a not terribly aggressive mix [if that's the right term - i.e. each speaker doesn't seem to have a different instrument coming out of it]. Also - zilch bass, unless my system is screwed up (quite possible, I suppose). The 'making of' comments by band members on each DVD seem to be pretty good (only seen the Abacab one so far).

I think I'll forego making any further comments on sound, however, as my tinnitus has decided to flare up and I'm probably not going to be in the best position to judge the finer points for a couple of days.
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post #254 of 415
4/4/07 at 10:25pm

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I got mail from HMV wanting confirmation to ship because the shipping fee was higher than the original estimate. Maybe $15 more (it was in yen). But looks like the price stayed the same.
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post #255 of 415
4/5/07 at 7:04am

Re: Genesis on SACD soon

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Originally Posted by andrew markworthy
First listen (sampling a couple of tracks from each album) seems to indicate a not terribly aggressive mix [if that's the right term - i.e. each speaker doesn't seem to have a different instrument coming out of it]. Also - zilch bass, unless my system is screwed up (quite possible, I suppose). The 'making of' comments by band members on each DVD seem to be pretty good (only seen the Abacab one so far).

I think I'll forego making any further comments on sound, however, as my tinnitus has decided to flare up and I'm probably not going to be in the best position to judge the finer points for a couple of days.

Looking forward to reading some more of your impressions, Andrew!
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post #256 of 415
4/5/07 at 12:54pm

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I should always remember in the Markworthy household to check if my darling children have been 'adjusting' the home theatre system before posting any comments ...

I discovered today that the system was completely screwed up in its settings. Having got things back to normal (and shot the children) I had another listen. Note that I've got tinnitus (mild, but still alas there) at the moment so these aren't necessarily the most accurate of interpretations. However:

(1) Collins's voice is very prominent in the mix. I personally like this and it doesn't sound jarring.
(2) The instrumental lines can be easily distinguished.
(3) The mix is a little more aggressive than I first thought but not in a 'gimmicky' way (e.g. no instruments whizzing round the speakers at every opportunity)
(4) There is plenty of bass, but not overpoweringly so.

I am far more positive about this set now my system is working properly and it gets a definite thumbs up.

Something I thought I'd mention are the nice visuals. Basically, each track shows a different view of the sleeve art. This is perhaps at its best on Trick of the Tail where each track has a 'cut out' picture of the character on the sleeve representing the song in question. It's a small point, but nonetheless a neat little touch.
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post #257 of 415
4/5/07 at 1:38pm

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My box set arrived today. I also got an email saying that shipping was higher than expected, which I agreed to. The USPS delivered it today, via Global Express Mail.

First off, it is exactly as HMV advertised -- SACD + DVDs that are NTSC. Again, I really ordered this for the SACDs, not the DVDs. The DVDs do have a DTS 96/24 soundtrack, in addition to Dolby Digital. I quickly compared the Abacab discs and there was clearly a difference between the openness of the SACD and the DTS 96/24 on the DVD. The SACD was much fuller. My initial reaction to the video quality (at least for the Abacab videos) is mediocre at best.

I only had a little time to listen today as I was off from work, and my wife had a couple of really amazing surprises for me for my 40th birthday. I had a little downtime this afternoon, so I am typing this with Duke on SACD playing, and I am pretty happy with the mix. The surrounds are thankfully used for ambiance, and not directly for instruments. The soundstage isn't very "forward", so it appears that this mix is meant to be played reasonably loud. I have no issues with the bass - my Velodyne is being kept busy, and the vocals are anchored clearly in the center of the soundstage.

This was definitely worth the money and like all good things in life, worth the wait.

Craig
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post #258 of 415
4/5/07 at 4:59pm

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The surrounds are thankfully used for ambiance, and not directly for instruments.


If Abacab is also mixed that way, I won't be buying it.
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post #259 of 415
4/5/07 at 5:22pm

Re: Genesis on SACD soon

Anyone have a good link for a good description of all the extra stuff included? The bonus SACD, et al?
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post #260 of 415
4/5/07 at 5:46pm

Re: Genesis on SACD soon

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Originally Posted by LanceJ


If Abacab is also mixed that way, I won't be buying it.

elaborate?

http://www.genesis-box.com/
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post #261 of 415
4/5/07 at 10:39pm

Re: Genesis on SACD soon

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Originally Posted by andrew markworthy
I should always remember in the Markworthy household to check if my darling children have been 'adjusting' the home theatre system before posting any comments ...

I discovered today that the system was completely screwed up in its settings. Having got things back to normal (and shot the children) I had another listen. Note that I've got tinnitus (mild, but still alas there) at the moment so these aren't necessarily the most accurate of interpretations. However:

(1) Collins's voice is very prominent in the mix. I personally like this and it doesn't sound jarring.
(2) The instrumental lines can be easily distinguished.
(3) The mix is a little more aggressive than I first thought but not in a 'gimmicky' way (e.g. no instruments whizzing round the speakers at every opportunity)
(4) There is plenty of bass, but not overpoweringly so.

I am far more positive about this set now my system is working properly and it gets a definite thumbs up.

Something I thought I'd mention are the nice visuals. Basically, each track shows a different view of the sleeve art. This is perhaps at its best on Trick of the Tail where each track has a 'cut out' picture of the character on the sleeve representing the song in question. It's a small point, but nonetheless a neat little touch.

I assume these visuals are only when playing the album on the dvd vs the sacd disc.
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post #262 of 415
4/6/07 at 3:26am

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I assume these visuals are only when playing the album on the dvd vs the sacd disc.
Yes. Sorry, should have said that. I've got a system that plays both SACD and DVD, but I've largely only used the DVD because it has all the extras.

Not sure that I totally agree with Craig re: the surrounds only being used for ambience - there are some instruments and vocals placed at the rear. However, it's not out and out surround as e.g. the 5.1 mix of Tubular Bells.

I think the perennial problem with 5.1 is that because it opens up so many more possibilities than stereo (and let's face it, there are enough with that format) inevitably whatever someone does it won't suit all. Too aggressive a mix and it sounds as gimicky as early stereo 'ping pong' demonstration records. Too much towards the ambience and you can legitimately ask if it's any advance on high quality stereo. Personally, what I think has been done is good and they are albums I'll play repeatedly, but I won't be ditching my mini lp stereo discs. But then again, I'm a Genesis fan.
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post #263 of 415
4/6/07 at 3:05pm

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My box set arrived today.
Other Craig, since you ordered the Asian set (I did as well, from CD Universe), can you comment on the language used in the packaging & booklets? English. Japanese, both?? Just want to know what to expect. Thanks!
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...I won't be ditching my mini lp stereo discs.
Andrew, have you had a chance to listen to the stereo mix (high-res or standard) on the SACDs yet? Curious how this mix compares to your mini LPs and the previous remasters.
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post #264 of 415
4/6/07 at 6:09pm

Re: Genesis on SACD soon

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Originally Posted by Lance J
If Abacab is also mixed that way, I won't be buying it.

Just to clarify what I mean about "ambiance", I use this term to include effects, etc. that make for an "in the mix" feel. It is my strong conviction that music in surround should sould like music, have a soundstage that fits, etc. These discs (at least what I've heard thus far) are mixed well. Simply put, once I started to listen to the discs, I just didn't want to do anything else but sit there, relax, and listen.

What I was trying to get accross was that this isn't one of those make your head spin mixes with a different instrument in each channel -- those gimmicky sort of mixes make me dizzy.



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Originally Posted by Craig S
Other Craig, since you ordered the Asian set (I did as well, from CD Universe), can you comment on the language used in the packaging & booklets? English. Japanese, both?? Just want to know what to expect. Thanks!

Everything is in English, and only in English. Aside from the "Made in EU" stamped on the discs, you wouldn't know this was an import.
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post #265 of 415
4/6/07 at 8:18pm

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Originally Posted by Craig Rosenthal
Just to clarify what I mean about "ambiance"
Gotcha. For a minute there I thought Silverline had a hand in mixing these.

BTW: is there a stereo track of any kind on the dvd?
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post #266 of 415
4/9/07 at 12:36pm

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For those of you that ordered via CD Universe (as did I, but the single disc versions), do you think I expect to receive mine before 4/17?
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post #267 of 415
4/9/07 at 3:27pm

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Everything is in English, and only in English. Aside from the "Made in EU" stamped on the discs, you wouldn't know this was an import.
Awesome. Thanks!
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post #268 of 415
4/9/07 at 10:49pm

Re: Genesis on SACD soon

Got my box set from HMV Saturday. Abacab and Duke SACD sound great, also played some of the Trick dvd which also sounds very clear, didn't compare with the SACD disc yet.
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post #269 of 415
4/11/07 at 7:35am

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For those of you that ordered via CD Universe (as did I, but the single disc versions), do you think I expect to receive mine before 4/17?
I just got a status e-mail from CDU on my box set order, and it looks like they expect to ship about the 16th. So, no, I wouldn't count on them arriving before the 17th.
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post #270 of 415
4/11/07 at 9:26am

Re: Genesis on SACD soon

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Originally Posted by andrew markworthy
However, I did watch the Lyceum show on my computer and it was a welcome change from the 5th generation VHS bootleg copy which of course I've never seen personally ...


Well unfortunately the band did not use the best sources out there. A few people I know who are big time bootleg traders got their copies of the box set and the stuff that they traded (or made themselves) is of better quality. The fan groups out there did a lot of work and got lucky finding master tapes of many of the programs on there. The Lyceum show is out there available for trade from the master tape, and the copy on the DVD is not, it is of lesser quality. I have yet to see any screen shots for comparison but it would be nice to see for myself.

I think the dates for the US releases are in May as opposed to April as well.
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