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Genesis on SACD soon

post #1 of 415
7/3/03 at 11:18am
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Per Nick Davis.
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post #2 of 415
7/3/03 at 11:21am
Damn!! You beat me to it, Joe!!!
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post #3 of 415
7/3/03 at 2:45pm
Well thats great news!

I'll be first in line for these no matter SACD or DVDA.
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post #4 of 415
7/3/03 at 4:00pm
I think the comments on the thread above that Genesis will be effectively shooting themselves in the foot by not including early stuff in the initial release are right. A hefty part of the consumer base are 40-somethings like me. Sure, the later 'pop' Genesis is enjoyable, but we want Selling England, Foxtrot and of course Lamb first. Releasing one album from each era would be a far better idea, and a good compromise to suit *all* the fans.

Having said that, I'm not ecstatic about this headlong rush into surround sound re-releases. Yes, nice for an occasional listen, but to me it's more often a gimmick than a fulfilling experience. There are of course exceptions - e.g. Tubular Bells or DSOTM. In most cases, however, I'd be far happier to see a stereo release taking advantage of the improved sampling rates *and* a 5.1 disc released in tandem. Too much to hope for from SACD, I guess.
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post #5 of 415
7/3/03 at 5:14pm
I would vote for the old stuff too.

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they will be released in SACD hybrid

Hopefully these discs don't end up cracking and flaking all over the place too...
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post #6 of 415
7/3/03 at 5:16pm
Andrew, all SACDs have stereo tracks. Nothing is lost by including a MCH track on the disc.

And, generally speaking, most DVD-A include stereo tracks except for Silverline titles.

I'd buy any high-res Genesis. Of course I'd prefer the old stuff, but I think the albums they're proposing can sound pretty neat in surround sound.
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post #7 of 415
7/3/03 at 9:23pm
I would be willing to buy high-res discs of everything up through Abacab, especially if in surround.

I will not buy the last 3 discs no matter what they do.
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post #8 of 415
7/3/03 at 11:47pm
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Andrew, all SACDs have stereo tracks. Nothing is lost by including a MCH track on the disc.


I thought the stereo layer was sampled at a lower rate so it could be played by conventional CD players? Bit of an academic point for me anyway, because my SACD player obstinately refuses to play anything but the 5.1 layer.
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post #9 of 415
7/4/03 at 4:56am
Those of us in the US should remember that Genesis titles here are on the Atlantic label, which is part of DVD-Audio supporter WEA. As a result, we should not expect these SACDs to be domestic titles. So, we won't see these SACDs at Best Buy and they probably won't be at Tower either. Expect to import these SACDs on the Virgin label from amazon.co.uk or similar overseas sites.
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post #10 of 415
7/4/03 at 7:50am
The thread also mentioned DVD-A possibilities, so we might see DVD-A here instead of SACD.
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post #11 of 415
7/4/03 at 8:25am
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The thread also mentioned DVD-A possibilities, so we might see DVD-A here instead of SACD.


If you read the thread carefully, it appears that SACD is decided on and maybe they will add DVDA.

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they will be released in SACD hybrid (they will play stereo in normal CD players) and possibly DVD-A


Happy July 4th everyone!
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post #12 of 415
7/4/03 at 10:06am
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I thought the stereo layer was sampled at a lower rate so it could be played by conventional CD players?
Every SACD I own has a high-res DSD stereo track. Some have multi-channel high-res tracks, some don't. If they're marked as hybrid SACDs, then they ALSO have a standard redbook layer that regular CD players can recognize and play. But this is always in ADDITION to the SACD-only DSD stereo track.

Oh yeah - bring on high-res Genesis!! SACD or DVD-A, domestic or import, I don't care - I'll be buying 'em!!
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post #13 of 415
7/4/03 at 2:57pm
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If you read the thread carefully, it appears that SACD is decided on and maybe they will add DVDA.


Um, I did read the thread carefully, and a possible scenario where they would be released as SACD in Europe and DVD-A in North America is in no way inconsistent with what was said.

At no point did he say that SACD would be released in all territories.
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post #14 of 415
7/4/03 at 6:19pm
I think here in the US you will definitely see them on DVD-A as they're entire back catalog belongs to Atlantic which is part of WEA. So unless WEA starts doing SACD (unlikely) you will see these on DVDA.
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post #15 of 415
7/4/03 at 6:44pm
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I thought the stereo layer was sampled at a lower rate so it could be played by conventional CD players? Bit of an academic point for me anyway, because my SACD player obstinately refuses to play anything but the 5.1 layer


The 5.1 and high-res stereo tracks are on the same layer. If you can play one, you can play the other. You need to find the button that switches between MCH and stereo. It is the redbook on hybrids that is on another layer.
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post #16 of 415
7/4/03 at 9:28pm
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So unless WEA starts doing SACD (unlikely) you will see these on DVDA.
If at all. With the crazy way contracts are struck, WEA may not even have access to use the hi-rez m/c versions for a domestic DVD-A. It's entirely possible that these may remain import-only SACDs here in the U.S., even if that makes no sense.
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post #17 of 415
7/5/03 at 4:56am
Well, all we know is that Virgin intends to release SACDs in Europe. I plan on ordering those discs. If we see DVD-Audio discs in the US, I will probably buy those too for the video content and to compare audio to the SACDs. In the end, I my only option is to import the SACDs, I'll do that happily.

On a related note, what ever happened to the Peter Gabriel DVD-Audio discs? I know that we have SACDs in the US on the Geffen label, but I thought we were going to see DVD-Audio discs too.
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post #18 of 415
7/8/03 at 1:21pm
I'll begrudgingly buy Invisible Touch and the Yellow Album but bring on The Lamb and an expanded Genesis Live (1973) and all the other pre-80's LPs.
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post #19 of 415
7/8/03 at 9:20pm
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expanded Genesis Live (1973)

Now *that's* a great idea...
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post #20 of 415
7/8/03 at 10:41pm
Expand 'Three Sides Live' to include a whole concert with Bruford on drums for '76, not just a couple of bonus tracks.

An abbreviated version from this stint was also recording for video and shown on 'Night Flight'.
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post #21 of 415
7/11/03 at 3:33pm
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a whole concert with Bruford on drums for '76, not just a couple of bonus tracks.

An abbreviated version from this stint was also recording for video and shown on 'Night Flight'.
It was shown on TV in the UK in 1978, I believe that the title was simply "Genesis In Concert".
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post #22 of 415
9/3/03 at 10:00am
It's official per Nick Davis...."The Lamb" and most likely "Invisible Touch" will be remixed for multi-channel release on DVD-A and SACD.

http://www.genesis-music.com/cgi-bin...num=1061973938
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post #23 of 415
9/3/03 at 10:41am
Thanks for the update Danny! Great news about the Lamb (my absolute favorite album of all time).
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post #24 of 415
9/3/03 at 11:03am
Excellent! Lamb is the first album that was announced for both formats in which I will totally jump on both, as opposed to choosing one over the other.

And to prepare us for the dual releases, a three-page investigation thread on which is more "pure" and involves less coversion.
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post #25 of 415
9/3/03 at 11:06am
The film in question is "Genesis: A Band in Concert", and for some reason the G-men are not very interested in seeing it released. Same with the rumored footage from the Lamb tour supposedly in Peter Gabriel's posession (he suposedly has about 30 minutes' worth of material from several different shows). I swear, I've never seen a band less eager to capitalize on their music than this one.
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post #26 of 415
9/3/03 at 11:44am
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I swear, I've never seen a band less eager to capitalize on their music than this one.


I agree! As Genesis fans know, the band released *lots* of video concerts over the years (usually 30 minute highlights of concert tours). Why on Earth they couldn't release these is beyond me. If they're slightly dodgy quality picture-wise, what does it matter? Only fans are likely to buy the discs, and fans are very forgiving of picture and sound quality when it's what might be termed archival material (e.g. consider the usually dreadful quality of bootlegs, but fans buy them).
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post #27 of 415
9/3/03 at 12:23pm
Great news Danny! Thanks for the update.

Seems like a good day for hirez coupled with the BMG announcement.

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post #28 of 415
9/3/03 at 2:20pm
The discs will almost certainly be DVD-A in the United States as Atlantic/Atco are Warner labels.

Overseas, who can tell. Maybe SACD, maybe both. SACD-only buyers should not have a hard time obtaining imports.

I'll buy anything from 'Nursery Cryme' to 'Three Sides Live'. I am a bit surprised they are doing 'Lamb' first, as it is actually less accessible than 'Foxtrot' or 'Selling England'. Well, at least the second disc is.

I'll likely not buy 'Invisible Touch' as I don't care for the more poppish stuff.

Here is a petition to get the 1976 concert expanded and released on DVD. The director has the original film from multiple cameras from all three concerts...filmed in their entirity!

http://www.petitiononline.com/g1976dvd/petition.html
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post #29 of 415
9/3/03 at 6:16pm
#54

Have you posted the petition on the official Genesis forum (http://www.genesis-music.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi)?
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post #30 of 415
9/4/03 at 4:37pm
Looks like The Farm (where Genesis records) has been retrofitted for remixing to both multi-channel SACD and DVD-A, per Nick Davis.

http://www.genesis-music.com/cgi-bin...num=1062413583
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