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post #91 of 531
11/7/03 at 12:26pm
Don't get me wrong. I love the effect from inside the tank when Darla is tapping on the glass. It is unexpected especially since it's a quick cut from the previous scene in the harbor. You always here people with aquariums saying, "Don't tap on the glass - it scares the fish." It's a funny reference to that situation from the POV of the fish.

Like Gordon though, I was surprised that nobody had mentioned the scene in the whale since often when a new DVD hits shelves, the discussion focuses on the deepest loudest subwoofer-killer scenes. There are other threads here that are discussing the Nemo soundtrack and I hadn't seen the whale scene mentioned at any of them either.

Regardless, this is another excellent effort from Pixar and Gary Rydstrom.

JKS
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post #92 of 531
11/7/03 at 7:22pm
I am still waiting for someone to do a nice graph from Pearl Harbor. Its not the greatest flick. With a 40min long action sequence along with constant explosions I gotta see some graphs!

BTW, do you need a DVDROM to do these graphs? Or just some sort of input on a soundcard? Either way, I at least have pre-outs for all channels on my HK525.

Oh yeah! Now this sounds cool. That would be awesome to see a graph for each channel (full-range) from some of the biggies. Im talking about the movies with all the bass in all the channels. Ooooo. I love it.
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post #93 of 531
11/8/03 at 1:23pm
FINDING NEMO

Gimme the exact timings and I'll try to do it.


OK,

Looks like at 1:10:45-1:11:15 is one (30 seconds).
If you can, there's some good stuff from 1:12:00-1:13:00 (1 minute) also.

From your other graphs, it looks like you can do up to a minute at a time.

Thanks for the effort, Rudi!

JKS
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post #94 of 531
11/9/03 at 5:33am
Jeremy,

Geez, those whale scenes really are crazy! Added. Also one of Nigel's window bombings.

http://bass.jawmail.org/index.php?p=finding_nemo

And two Matrix Reloaded plots:

http://bass.jawmail.org/index.php?p=matrix_reloaded


Scott,

Nope, everyting on the computer. AC3filter DD decoder, Spectrum Lab for graphs. You could easily configure AC3filter so that it would mix back channels into the front stereo pair and disable DD front channels... But I don't know, doesn't make much sense to keep track of that. Who has full-range surrounds anyways?

And if you'd like to see how that looks like, here's something similiar. A typical volume plot of the THX Cavalcade trailer (Star Wars) for all channels:

http://bass.jawmail.org/stuff/cavalcade.gif

Rudi
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post #95 of 531
11/9/03 at 7:15am
Thread Starter 
Nice to see rudi taking much heat away from me.

Watching Matrix Reloaded really made my sub work for it. Hammer coming in for the rescue is a pretty tough test for HTs.

I've have read at least one poor fella's Energy Encores burned and smoked during that hammer scene.

My PC+ was handling this scene pretty well and showed no signs of distress.

This scene can be one killer for speakers and subs. Thats sustained deep bass for those who have not heard it yet.

Rudi has made it good for finding nemo too. There are so many scene with deep stuff, thou Darla is the scene thats takes the cake for this movie.

I'll upload waterfalls occasionally. Keep up the good work guys and keep sounding out those scene with really intense bass. Lets keep this thread going!
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post #96 of 531
11/9/03 at 7:37am
BTW,

Most of these scenes in recent movies are also "lesser-subwoofer" friendly - they have a lot of ~30-40Hz harmonics.

However, I just gotta expose this song from the Underworld OST. ~22Hz stuff ONLY.

http://bass.jawmail.org/index.php?p=...d&c=now_i_know

Can't wait for the movie.


Rudi
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post #97 of 531
11/9/03 at 8:32pm
Great job Rudi! KUTGW! Rudi what track is that from the OST?
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post #98 of 531
11/9/03 at 9:28pm
Hey Rudi,

Nice job!
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post #99 of 531
11/9/03 at 11:39pm
Terence,

Underworld Soundtrack, Track 5, Renholder - Now I Know. Crazy. The most subsonic bass in "popular" music, ever.
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post #100 of 531
11/23/03 at 5:34pm
Mingl- can you find out (how) why this sample almost bottoms out my Rel Storm? The cone goes mental, even though I don't put it loud.

add http ://

nathansilly.012webpages.com/08.wav

Taken from Wipeout 2097 CD.

Oh it plays fine on my new sub (SVS 20-39 PC Plus) No probs :-) I have to agree with your waterfall reg. Toy Story 2, it really is low and loud, most subs bottom out (my dealer said his demo M&K MX-350THX has a little bit of problem with the logo slam), my Storm also chuffs & distorts as well. Again no probs with SVS :-D


Ta
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post #101 of 531
11/23/03 at 6:24pm
Thread Starter 
John,

Seems to be a pretty big file. I'm trying to download it and I'll analyse it. But from hearing the first 2 secs of this 4sec wav file, I'm guessing it has strong low 20hz-ish bass info. But I can't seem to be able to download a good and complete file.

On my Storm3 I previously had, I found out that the REL storm 3 gave large amounts of distortion and port noise below 25hz. I can't remember exact details now (its been a year back since I sold it off), but port noise is very bad when pushed hard with deep bass. The small unflared port is the main culprits (thus why SVS had larger and flared ports instead)

The SVS PC+ is a keeper. I know I'm keeping mine....... and looking forward to my 2nd 16-46PC+ soon.
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post #102 of 531
11/23/03 at 10:38pm
Quote:
The SVS PC+ is a keeper. I know I'm keeping mine....... and looking forward to my 2nd 16-46PC+ soon.


Can you say Headroom!
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post #103 of 531
11/24/03 at 5:35am
Ta for that Mingl. So it appears the Storm's are unable to output sub 25hz bass (either loudly or without port noise) Shame. Nice sub otherwise (I did a response chart, quite flat, no BFD)- wheras my SVS has a peak at 18-28hz, and needs a BFD. Both have room nodes at 56hz (valley)

Oh my name isn't John Smith (bit of a joke) ie John Doe. :-D

The file is just a short sample at a few seconds long, I wanted to keep it <1MB and in WAV format (and not compress it and loose quality)

Cheers.
Nathan
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post #104 of 531
11/26/03 at 9:13am
I think it would be cool to see a chart of the scene in LOTR: TTT where Gimli blows into the horn of Helm Hammerhand or whatever it's called.

regards,
NH
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post #105 of 531
11/26/03 at 7:30pm
Thread Starter 
Nathan,

Had done a spectrum analysis a few days back. But I have some uploading problems with my web server.

Anyway, the 4sec wav file you sent me has really deep bass. It has strong bass extension down to 10hz, up till 40hz before slowly tapering off.

I think the storm3 would have a tought time with this sort of deep bass music. Remember my storm 3 having much port noise at 25hz, even at normal listening volume. This is on top of the harmonic distortion (brought about by mechanical stress) the driver has.

I'll try to upload this soon.
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post #106 of 531
11/26/03 at 8:35pm
what about The Hulk? my dual AV15 sub is still in the works after my other sub took a dump. what does it put out? man, i can't wait to be able to feel 10hz.

eric
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post #107 of 531
11/27/03 at 2:01am
Eric,

I think that The Hulk's strongest bass moment is when the first missile detonates in SF... But I won't do a detailed analysis until I watch the whole movie again to take some notes

BTW, plots of Blue Crush available... Quite decent "ear-pressurizing" type of bass...
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post #108 of 531
11/27/03 at 3:41am
What I find fascinating is how different folk's opinion of "where the low stuff is". There was a thread about Finding Nemo and a debate on where it was. One camp thought Darla tapping on the fish tank was IT. Another thought the whale scene was IT.

I suppose this must be due to how different subs/rooms reproduce different parts of the bass spectrum mixed in with personal perceptions. I'm just surprised at the wide disparity of what we're hearing. Interesting!! I appreciate the posting of these charts.

Gordon
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post #109 of 531
11/27/03 at 6:36am
Thread Starter 
The waterfall from this link:

http ://nathansilly.012webpages.com/08.wav

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post #110 of 531
11/27/03 at 7:30am
Quote:
What I find fascinating is how different folk's opinion of "where the low stuff is". There was a thread about Finding Nemo and a debate on where it was. One camp thought Darla tapping on the fish tank was IT. Another thought the whale scene was IT.


I found it to be interesting too Gordon, Darla taping on the fish tank is really up in the 30Hz regions. The whale scene is down into the 20Hz regions you can feel the pressure and feel the bass more than you can hear it. At least in my HT. Darla scene is very audible and it excites the room, the bass in this scene reminds me of The Haunting's bass.
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post #111 of 531
11/27/03 at 8:06am
The fish tank Darla tap sure was a surprise wasn't it? It about nocked me off the couch and that is a hard place for me to move from.

Gordon I just checked out your link to your HT. It about floored me. I could not believe you would post such a horrible looking HT. I was laughing so hard. Anyway I scrolled on down and what a transformation. HOLY MOLY that has turned out so nice. Very nice job Gordon.

I'm with you Terence. I figured Darla to be around 30 with the whale scene going much lower. Both are great/fun scenes though imo.
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post #112 of 531
11/27/03 at 8:55am
Thanks Steve'nn! Yeah, Sweeet Nancy is none to pleased that I posted the first shot, but, man, you've got to have FUN with this stuff!!

I was looking for the "big bass" with my system cranked to find it in the whale scene - nothing - and then it hit, enough to have me scrambing for controls before I broke something. It was very brief, but scared me! The family joined to watch the whole movie after this (read sane, kid-friendly levels), so I never got a chance to really hear the Darla scene at the same levels.

Gordon
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post #113 of 531
11/27/03 at 10:17am
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BTW, plots of Blue Crush available... Quite decent "ear-pressurizing" type of bass...


Not to mention quite decent "pants-pressurizing" levels of ass...
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post #114 of 531
11/27/03 at 11:02am
I think the Darla scene is due mainly because it comes out of nowhere. I was one of those people who thought the Darla scene was THE bass scene in Nemo and didn't think the whale scene was a big deal. That was the first time I watched it, but after watching it a 2nd time the whale scene is much more impressive.
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post #115 of 531
11/27/03 at 12:38pm
Not to mention quite decent "pants-pressurizing" levels of ass...


No... Comment...
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post #116 of 531
11/27/03 at 9:05pm
Quote:
SVS has this one on in their FAQ
Quote:
another one that SVS has on their FAQ page

These load funny for me. They are too large to fit the page , yet when I try to scroll, it returns me to the FAQ list. Looks like they might be cool though.
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post #117 of 531
11/28/03 at 5:42pm
re: SVS waterfalls

These load funny for me. They are too large to fit the page


I find that this is true too. Probably some "view" setting that could correct this, but here's what I do:

First, click on any one of the old, black & white waterfalls (these don't have a "*" at the end of the link). Currently, the very first one on the movie list, "15 Megatons" is like this. This opens a smaller, managable window. Don't close this window. Then, you can click on any of the other links (including the new color ones) and they will open in the same smaller window.

This works for me. YMMV.

JKS
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post #118 of 531
12/10/03 at 10:27am
One new.

The Core. Just one scene. Movie sucked bigtime, bass wasn't anything extra, but some people praised it... Well, perhaps I'm spoiled.
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post #119 of 531
12/11/03 at 4:56pm
Thanks for that Mingl! If you want the full track title- it's "Photek -the third sequence"

You might also want to play playing....

DJ Sasha- Lcaras
Orbital - Know where to run
Underworld- Kittens
The Chemical Brothers- Influence. Similar to inverse sweep on LOTR Sauron blast.

All above have fast/deep/punchy bass. Good sub testers I think! :-)
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post #120 of 531
12/12/03 at 12:23am
For me, the whale scene is a lot more fun than darla....darla makes a lot of noise and creates rattles (30-35Hz) but the whale (<30) is brutal and gives me the "floor is dropping, pants are flapping" room pressurizin' bass

Thanks to those who posted the waterfalls, much appreciated.
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