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post #1 of 532
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http://www.genreonline.net/Battlesta...os_Sci-Fi.html

THEY CHANGED THE FREAKING HELMETS! ONE OF THE MOST DISTINCT ASPECTS OF THE SHOW WAS THE COSTUME DESIGN! THEY CHANGED THE BATTLESUITS TOO! THE JACKET ISN'T EVEN OPEN!

BALTAR LOOKS LIKE A GODDAMN DAYTIME TALK SHOW HOST

At least the Viper is mostly intact...........

They should be ASHAMED of themselves. Of course one of the shots is of Starbabe getting it on. Larson is probably drinking heavily at this moment while Lorne Green, Lloyd Bridges, Fred Astaire, and John Colicos spin in their graves. RIP guys

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post #2 of 532
lol im gonna wait and reserve judgement till i actually see the movie.

capt
post #3 of 532
Is the girl with the helmet on starbuck?
post #4 of 532
Starbuck's a woman in this incarnation of BG.
post #5 of 532
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Actually, I should take back the Larson comment, I forgot he's a Mormon

Yes, Starbuck, Boomer, and apparently several other well-known cast members have had sex changes "To reflect a more modern sensibility". And Sheba and Cassie were wimps? Sheba kicked butt with the best of them, and Cassie was no slouch herself

I'm hoping that at this year's cast reunion we'll be able to get some first hand impressions of the show, and the original cast's reaction, and hopefully the producers will have the guts to show up to explain themselves. I'm sure there's some produce guy who will be happy to provide ammunition
post #6 of 532
From those pix, I will be passing on watching this one. Looks too generic already.
post #7 of 532
Well, god knows if the jackets aren't open I can't support this show!
post #8 of 532
Hey look, they put turbines on the engines..f..for pulling air...in...in space...


I know there will be some explanation for it & I know that the original Viper's had a look something like that as well but...
post #9 of 532
This just gets worse and worse. I wish this project would just be dropped before it actually airs. Don't worry Jeff, I'm as disgusted as you are
post #10 of 532
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Hey look, they put turbines on the engines..f..for pulling air...in...in space...


Which is SOOO much more advanced than the braking flaps they had on the original Vipers.

I'm reserving judgement until I see this show... hopefully it won't suck too hard.
post #11 of 532
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Don't forget the Viper is both a space and atmosphere craft. Since reactionary thrusters don't work in atmosphere it's quite possible they would have breaking flaps, and that the term just carries over from avionics.

The engines are fueled by Tylium, which I'm doubing works like the space shuttle by combining 2 elements which burn on contact, so I'm guessing there has to be some kind of Oxygen supply on board. Therefore it's logical there are air intakes so that you don't waste your bottled atmosphere during planetary fligh, and to refill the onboard supply

and Ken, the jacket comment was just to show how far they're going in disrespecting the original. It would have been so easy to update the materials and maintain the basic look of the costume
post #12 of 532
Yes, we want cute robot dogs and the same sfx used over and over and over. How dare they change such a classic?
post #13 of 532
It looks to me like they made some concessions to reality with the flight suits. Instead of going into space in suede (sp?) jackets and helmets with open face masks, these look like full pressure suits. A welcome change in my book.

Where are you seeing (in the linked picture) the everyday warrior jacket/uniform? It all looks like flight suit type gear to me.

In regards to the turbines, as others have mentioned they could be necessary for atmospheric flight. Notice how in the pictures they look like they're closed. It would be some nice detail work if, when/if the vipers actually do fly in an atmosphere the turbines open and spin.

Matt
post #14 of 532
Thread Starter 
Rick, do you know how much motion control photography, especially of action sequences costs, especially in 1978 on a TV budget? ST:TNG reused the same shots over and over too, going to zap it for it?

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It looks to me like they made some concessions to reality with the flight suits. Instead of going into space in suede (sp?) jackets and helmets with open face masks, these look like full pressure suits. A welcome change in my book.


The facemasks weren't open. the lights on the helmet were supposed to be a forcefield, it was not open. I'll concede the lack of a pressure suit, but they could have designed something that sealed into a pressure suit when the jacket was closed.
post #15 of 532
Jeff, Jeff, why do you keep torturing yourself? Just say to yourself "I'm not gonna watch it, I'm not gonna watch it..."
post #16 of 532
Jeff

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The facemasks weren't open. the lights on the helmet were supposed to be a forcefield, it was not open.


Do you have a cite for that? I don't remember that ever being mentioned in the series and I don't remember any other use of force fields.

Matt
post #17 of 532
I kind of like the look, and I despised the original show. If you don't want anything changed then just watch the originals.
post #18 of 532
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Matt, check the original novelization for the forcefields thing, I believe it was in there.

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Jeff, Jeff, why do you keep torturing yourself? Just say to yourself "I'm not gonna watch it, I'm not gonna watch it..."


How am I supposed to complain if I don't watch it? I'd be as bad as the Trekkies on Sci-Fi's forums shouting "Ron Moore is god! He made it better!" when most of them have never even seen the show (Which is confirmed by the way, by many public and private debates, I and several other people have had, the best any of them did was watching a few scattered eps during the annual marathon). I will watch it, with fellow fans, sponges ready to throw at the screen, and probably with hard liquor nearby for when it gets really bad.

I've put almost 10 years into campaigning for the return of Galactica, and so have scores of others, many of whom have been going for over 20. And now we're being punished for it.
Richard Hatch maxxed out his credit cards making a trailer to try to sell an at least mostly faithful new show to Universal. It didn't happen. Tom DeSanto had a WONDERFUL script that continued the original series and introduced many new characters that could fit into the roles Sci-Fi wants to see. I've only read about 10 pages of it, but I'm dying to see the rest. It oozed love for the characters, and was done PROPERLY. Every comment he made on the project was one of a fan, determined to do it right. The crew currently doing this one doesn't have a clue that Galactica is anything more than Refugees+Evil Robots+Fighter Combat=Galactica. The show's spiritual side has been quashed, and I think the ONLY unique aspect of the show that WON'T be killed is Triad, after all it gives them a chance to show more skin
post #19 of 532
But look at that Viper! Very cool. The old Vipers looked very much like they were heavy set pieces that wouldn't budge. This thing looks metallic...looks like it could fly.

And note the helmet still has the bird emblem glued to it - you can't quite see it in these pics, but it appears to be there.

And I've got to disagree - Baltar looks NOTHING like Oprah Winfrey. He does however have 1970s hair - which should please the nitpickers.
post #20 of 532
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In regards to the turbines, as others have mentioned they could be necessary for atmospheric flight. Notice how in the pictures they look like they're closed. It would be some nice detail work if, when/if the vipers actually do fly in an atmosphere the turbines open and spin.

I knew there would be some techie explanation...but still..in the old series you could hear them turning/whining...in space..as was pointed out they used the braking flaps...IN SPACE...

Will this new show have Irish immigrants..in space?
Shane...in space?
The Guns of Navarone...in space? (or on an ice planet...in space.)
Nazis...in space?

Don't get me wrong, I loved this show as a ten year old.

post #21 of 532
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I will watch it, with fellow fans, sponges ready to throw at the screen, and probably with hard liquor nearby for when it gets really bad.


Well, if weeping, gnashing of teeth, throwing sponges, and drinking hard liquor is your idea of a good time, go for it!
post #22 of 532
Look at it this way - it has to be better than Galactica 1980!
post #23 of 532
Actually, I can deal with the Viper and the uniforms and the helmets. The sex change of some of the key players stinks and they should've gotten someone else to play Baltar, ugh!
post #24 of 532
Jeff,
Don't watch it when it airs. There's almost no chance you (and many other fans of the originals) will be able to stomach it Some of the alterations are just too drastic to even associate it with the original. They should have just used these ideas in an entirely new concept for a show and not related it to the original in any way.
post #25 of 532
I have liked Battlestar Galactica since it's debut back in 1978. Having read the Q&A with David Eick over at the Sci-fi website, I am quite excited about this. The pictures in the link above look cool. I will wait until I see the actual product before I pass judgement. Plus, the original had it's share of stinker episodes anyway.
post #26 of 532
To Catch a Thief...in space
post #27 of 532
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Peter, I suggest you and EVERYONE read this script review

http://www.battlestargalactica.com/f...02b-plain.html
post #28 of 532
Jeff,
The script review supports what I expected all along and I wish they would drop this project and get someone who would do it right or leave it alone all together. The tone of the remake is not surprising - sex and violence being major themes. I had no intention of ever watching it before but if this script review is accurate then I'm positive I'll skip it and save myself the aggravation. Thanks for the link.

p.s How familiar are you with Richard Hatch's vision for the show? Do you have any details on his ideas?
post #29 of 532
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Jason, Richard's vision for continuing the show is pretty well detailed in his BSG novel "Armageddon" and on this page

http://www.battlestargalactica.com/a...tsc/index.html

Due to the restrictions on his license from Universal. He can't upload the full trailer to the web. However he does have screenshots. I was there for the scenes with John Colicos and Terry Carter. Funny stuff. I'm not going to retype the stories, but I bet if you do a search on previous BSG threads you'll find them. Or PM me

For the record, since Richard's proposal failed, both he and I strongly support Tom DeSanto's vision of restoring the series.
post #30 of 532
Since folks are talking about potential reasons for turbines, braking flaps, and aerodynamic flight...

...aboooot the "braking flaps"..... they aren't what
they seem. Those were "thermo-spines" used to dump excess
heat the engines had built up during heavy manuevering,
especially since the fighters were designed to mimic
"aerodynamic" flight even in space. This mimicking
allows for the easiest transition from space flight
to atmospheric flight.

Plus, it confused the hell out of those pesky "logic"
driven Cylons.


Too much speculation about all the technology of
galactica is kinda strange anyway.... there were, what
maybe 5 (?) special effect shots during the entire run
of the show (cheap executive bastards)? (not counting
Galactica 80).

I would have much rather seen the Richard Hatch vision
myself, but I'll reserve judgment until I see what SCiFi
has done...... (Ok, Star*uck as girlie.... bad feeling
though....)


Dr. Joe.

Fan since it was called "Adam's Ark."
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