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stuffing the Sony SA-WM40!! JUST DO IT!

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
wow - so i opened up my WM40 today, i've had the bag of polyfill for about 3 months now, but i wanted to really hear the sub for what is was just out of the box...

so - i used about 10-12 oz. of the fluffy poly pillow stuff (WallyMart for $3.50 for a 20oz bag) and HOLY COW WHAT A DIFFERENCE!!!

there's enough play in the cabling to do this project with the sub in it's normal playing position, just be careful not to "drop" the speaker when taking out that last screw

there was an 8" by 12" (about 1/4" thick) piece of poly stuffing/filler already in the box... pretty much useless... but with the 10-12 oz. of stuffing the box is pretty full (losely packed)

incredible sound, not boomy at all anymore... (which i'll now admit the original was a bit boomy)

oh yah, one thing i noticed is that the AMP wasn't even in the same chamber as the speaker so there's nothing to worry about with messing with electronics - very cool bonus!!!

anyhoo... the cliff notes version is to put 10-12oz. of poly (fluffy) stuffing in your Sony SA-WM40 for truly excellent sound from a sub $500 sub...
post #2 of 26
Thread Starter 
so - i got some emails on "how to do this"...

here's my best shot...

1. unplug the sub (duh!)
2. unplug any cables connected to the sub
3. you can either place the sub on it's back, or just have it sitting up (like normal) i did the latter (by myslef)
4. remove the speaker cover (4 push-plugs on the corners)
5. remove the 8 screws holding the speaker in place, be careful you don't drop the speaker!
6. there's enough cabling for you to take the woofer out and place it on the floor
7. stuff the box (loosely - not tight) with 10-12 oz of stuffing (about 1/2 a bag) and be sure not to block the port at the bottom of the enclosure
8. put everything back together!

That's it! i did this in about 30 minutes by myself, easy mod to do.... there are no electronics inside the enclosure itself - just a few cables and the woofer...

happy sub modding!!!!
post #3 of 26
Todd, did you just fill the whole enclosure loosely or stapled/glued the polyfil onto the walls? If you stuffed it into the box how did you manage not to block the port?
I am waiting for my spikes to arrive and then I will do the mod and if putting the stuff inside is working instead of stapling or glueing it, I will do that way.
post #4 of 26
I would have used Cat Litter.... (Sorry, Old Forum Joke!)

Good Job
post #5 of 26
I wonder if something like this would help my 8" 100W sony sub that came with my HTIB kit. Has anybody tried doing this on a smaller sony sub?

Mark
post #6 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Todd, did you just fill the whole enclosure loosely or stapled/glued the polyfil onto the walls? If you stuffed it into the box how did you manage not to block the port?


i just stuffed the box, no glue or staples, it has enough "lift" to hold itself in place and it's light enough that i'm fairly certain that it won't drop down into the port (which is at the bottom/front of the enclosure) it's SOO EASY!!!

sorry Brett, but i was fresh out! but i heard the multiple-cat extra clumping style provides a more "digital sound" you know, like 1's and 0's - THUMP/WHUMP... HAHA
post #7 of 26
More stuffing tips....

Make sure to leave cooling space around the amp. Not doing so can cause it to overheat. I had blown a transistor in my current sub due to overstuffing (PSB Subsonic 6). I diagnosed the problem to a small power supply card (no larger than 2" x 3" in size) that was mounted on the amp assembly. PSB wanted to charge me cdn$600 for the amp. They would not sell me the card alone. I ended up buying the 4 power transistors on the card and replacing all 4 myself as this was the most likely cause of such a problem (electronics in college payed off ) and it fixed it.
post #8 of 26
I'm assuming this would void the warranty, correct? If so, I'll probably just wait a year and deal with the boominess...
post #9 of 26
Thread Starter 
i would assume that this voids the warranty - but at $135 i'm taking the risk... if it blows up, it's just God's way of telling me i need to upgrade to an SVS
post #10 of 26
Hey todd, thanks for your tips, i've had this sub for a while now(mod free) and love it. I havnt found it too boomy at all, i just change settings from music to HT. What settings do you have for you cross-over and volume? I'll have to get some polyfill and give it a try i think! Can do no harm hey!
post #11 of 26
Thread Starter 
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What settings do you have for you cross-over and volume?


well from the research i've seen on this site - i have my crossover turned the whole way up and i'm letting the reciever's crossover run @ 80Hz...

i still have yet to borrow/play with my buddies AVIA setup so volume is pretty much adjusted to taste right now

my biggest problem is that i have a 15x30 room with vaulted ceilings - i have the sub loaded in a corner which creates some spikes in the lown end... i know this sub doesn't exactly "pressurize" the room - but i can't watch HT with the windows open because the neighbors hear me
post #12 of 26
Coss-over way up? No wonder you thought it was boomy! I set mine to about 80 and the volume can sit just over half to be plenty loud. WHen i do the 20,000hz drop tone on the TXH optimizer it intergrates perfectly. I have the lfe set to sub on my amp which has it set to 80hz. I havnt put a disc in like Avia yet though and done a spl measurement so i'll fiddle more then. Be interesting to hear the difference with the filling..whether it decreases volume etc
post #13 of 26
Thread Starter 
hmm - well i thought the onboard crossover didnt' matter when you only sent signals 80hz and below from the reciever... ??? am i wrong?

i haven't really noticed a decrease in sound output (as some have stated), but then again - i'm not really out to blow the roof off with this guy
post #14 of 26
I did this mod this weekend and I could instantly tell the difference. WOW! What a difference $3.50 and about 10 minutes can make. Was kinda nervous about opening up the sub at first, but this couldn't be easier. Since I have a small home theater this made a BIG difference. No more BOOM and alot more PUNCH! I also have a question about the levels on the sub. I have mine set to around 80hz since my receiver(kenwood 6070) has a 80hz cutoff when in THX mode. I'm guessing that this setup is correct.
post #15 of 26
It's my understanding that if you are using the receiver's crossover you want to set the sub's crossover as high as possible so there's no interference with the signal from the receiver---especially since the sub's crossover probably isn't as accurately calibrated as it should be.
post #16 of 26
Ok...i just got some polyfill..gonna wack it in now. I'll chime back soon and let ya know what i thought!
post #17 of 26
Just before i close it up..how much do you fill it up? Did you kind of pack it in tight or leave gaps. I've filled it up and left space at the bottom front for the port
post #18 of 26
Hmm..ok, i think i filled it too full. Just found this guys tute..http://www.nonsensicalgibberish.com/sony.html He's only got it to the sides,top and back and left a hole in the middle for the driver. I just filled it all up full not too tight but full. Didnt notice too much diff..a little less loud. Might try it without as much?
post #19 of 26
Thread Starter 
yep - his site pretty much looks like what i did... not too tight though, you don't want a solid wall in there
post #20 of 26
OH i filled like a turkey! I'll be digging my hands in tonight!
post #21 of 26
Good tip here.
You can make it even better by adding more internal bracing - a front to back as close to the driver as possible and also along the corner edges(front to back) if they don't have any wood there. A 3rd area is top to bottom. Use 1 inch or 1 1/4 strips of hardwood and just glue them in, but make sure they fit tight, and don't get in the way of the driver.
This will make the box very high pitched when you tap on it. The higher the pitch, the more rigid the enclosure. Now add that stuffing(fluffy-not stuffy!)
This should help the driver go a little lower in your now stiff box.

NOTE: this mod is for inexpensive boxes that have little or no bracing with 3/4inch walls, and a well known trick in shops that make sub enclosures.

Eric
post #22 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Good tip here.


Eric - have you done this mod? i know people do this stuff when building enclosures, but never heard of modding like this - VERY COOL!

also, what kind of glue would you use? standard wood glue?
post #23 of 26
Todd,
Yes, I've made the mod to a number of subs for myself and others. It works. Yellow glue is fine for wood - no need for anything exotic.
One such project was with an Audio Source 12. It made the 180.00 sub sound and perform more like a 600.00 sub.
You don't need great skills - just make sure everything's tight!

Eric
post #24 of 26
Thread Starter 
got pics? i don't want to go dropping in 2x4's

thanks!
post #25 of 26
another idea is what i did to my audiosource sw-15 (gotta love those audiosources for modding)

i used to have just 3-4 lbs of stuffing all around the sub, but once i saw the promo (dont nkow if its still going on) from parts express for the $10 vibration dampening spray used mostly for auto body panels i jumped on it (ok it was a mistake, i never cleared my shipping cart and bought it by mistake ha!) and so i took out my stuffing, sprayed it all over the inside, and finished the entire can with 2 coats, replaced teh polyfill

and i defintealy think there was another jump in easily audible improvement!
post #26 of 26

Re: stuffing the Sony SA-WM40!! JUST DO IT!

Well, here's a 5 1/2 year old thread rising to the surface...

I've owned a previously-used SA-WM40 for a couple of years now. It will be quite a long time, probably, before I get a chance to upgrade it.

I have read in many different places about the various modifications people have made to theirs over the years. Finding myself in a craft store over the weekend, I thought I might as well get the provisions and finally give 'em a try.

So I purchased the bag of poly-fil and the jar of Mod Podge.

Turned out the previous owner had already loaded up the compartment with Poly-Fil. But, it looked like it was over-filled (or had shifted a bit) since the enclosure was jam-packed--including the bottom-area where the port is located. So, I actually removed some of the pre-existing Poly-Fil from the bottom section of the sub.

I also applied a couple of light coats of the Mod Podge to the cone driver...being certain not to get any on the dust cap or the rubber surround. This is the sort of thing I would normally be hesitant to do...except that I have read so many different accounts of people having done it with varying degrees of success (and no horror stories).

Results? Hard to say for sure. I'd say the performance was improved. But I'd also wonder how much of that is wishful thinking on my part. My test was the first 12 minutes of the BD of Master & Commander (from the beginning through the first engagement with the Acheron). This is my all-time favorite audio track. It sounded very, very good. The big guns never sounded better.

The best indicator that there may be a little more "ooomph" in the bass department actually came later in the evening when my wife and I were watching an episode of CBS' The Amazing Race--not exactly a traditional LFE powerhouse. At one point, when the contestants were hanging in an overseas airport, my wife turned to me and said "what was that?" I had heard it as well and wasn't sure where the noise had come from. We both thought it was a car passing along the front of the house with one of those crazy bass modifications. But, I played back the scene from the show and it turned out to be some ambient airport noise that the SA WM40 had really brought to our attention!

I'd say I think that emptying out the enclosure of some of the Poly-Fil gave some more punch to the output of the sub. I'm hoping that the Mod Podge gives a bit more definition to the bass output. It will take a few more tests to hear, for certain.

In particular, I'm hoping to hear some of John Clayton's bass lines in some of my favorite Diana Krall tunes to make that determination! I always thought they were a bit boomy and overbearing before.
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