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The Double Life of Veronique, Kieslowski - 226

Liked it but didn't love it. Cinematography was terrific. Irène Jacob was outstanding in the lead (and easy on the eyes). The score was fine too.

I love films with themes around duality. Just didn't really connect as a story.

Intrigue ... go visit her dad ... intrique ... go visit her dad ...

The ending was blah too. More like Kieslowski didn't have an ending.

So, overall I found it to have some really interesting moments and ideas but just not enough to really be on a top film list.

I do think that the cat and mouse game with the puppeteer seems a very likely source of inspiration for the like scenes in Amelie. And both uses of the idea were quite well done.

Btw, is Kieslowski the first to do use a green filter throughout an entire film?

I know Hitch used a heavy green palette in Vertigo and To Catch A Thief but it was only certain scenes. Are there other filmmakers I'm overlooking?

Welcome back Lew!
post #3572 of 3769

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I tried to watch Veronique, but the Netflix disk skips and freezes at the worse possible moment, smack in the middle of that pivotal concert . I skipped a bit past it, but was so annoyed that I just stopped. That sequence is too powerful to skip.

Otherwise, I can't say I connected with what I saw as a whole by then. A bit dissapointed (love Kieslowsky), but I will wait to watch the whole thing before judging.

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Kind words indeed George—thanks.

I’m planning on returning to being a contributing member of society.

Huzzah!
post #3574 of 3769

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So Lew's back to class up the joint?!

Finally started on the list again. Planning on renting something from the library every couple of weeks or so until I exhaust their S&S movies.

#304 The Story of the Last Chrysanthemums (1939, Kenji Mizoguchi)
The tale of the son of a famous Kabuki actor who falls in love with the family wetnurse. Before he had been content to skate by on the reputation of his father, but inspired by the woman, rededicates himself to the craft of acting. Of course the relationship is scandalous to the family, not only is the woman a family servant, but she is older than her son and they fear she is a golddigger as well. The family sends her away, but the son persists meeting the woman and is eventually disinherited by the father. Now penniless, he sets out into the world as an itinerant actor.

Mizoguchi takes this story of forbidden love and infuses it with his unique visual style. His camera generally stays far away from the actors, giving scenes that might be hysterical or trite in the hands of another actor, a more somber, contemplative tone. One feels the constrictive nature of tradition bearing down on the characters, despite the camera generally staying at wider angles. The effect doesn't mute the actors emotions, they are simply focused in a different way, providing a powerfully moving experience.

But the film has more to offer than just romantic drama, being as this is a film set in a world of actors and Kabuki, there are healthy doses of humor and character in the interactions of the actors. We get to see portions of Kabuki plays which add to the visual splendor of the film while also letting the audience experience the development of the main character's acting abilities. Mizoguchi skillfully weaves these elements together to deliver a stunning film. - A
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Decalogue:

8 - 10 of 10

An aging professor meets her English translator and together they pose an ethical delimma to their class. How could a catholic couple in WWII use a sin of false witness to justify overriding their duty as christians to charitably shelter and hide jewish children? But there is much more to their relationship and the ethical delimma than seems on the surface. The best acting of the lot so far.
post #3576 of 3769

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I remember I liked Story of the Last Chrysanthemum quite a lot, unfortunatley my review in this thread is barely even that. Glad you also liked it Brook, hopefully it'll appear on DVD in an eclipse set this year.
post #3577 of 3769

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#281 - Baby Doll

Not nearly as riveting or powerful as Streetcar Named Desire -- another meeting of Williams and Kazan -- but it's definitely watchable and entertaining. As you would expect, it's very raunchy and suggestive for its time... though not quite as daring as its reputation Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
(the story is all about people NOT getting laid)
. The comedy is well executed, particularly due to Eli Wallach's charming performance, and I found Archie Lee (Karl Malden) to be a fascinating character. The brutishness and rage of Stanley Kowalski, but with a heaping dose of frustration and ineffectual uselessness thrown into the mix. He's a born loser and he doesn't know it. Rating: 8
post #3578 of 3769

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Decalogue:

9 - 9 of 10

Superb.

A surgeon entering late middle age finds out he's impotent and conclusively absolutely will never be able to get it up again. Naturally this thoroughly shakes him and makes him question the basis of his love for his younger wife. She professes his love for him still and he questions her if she's had or is having or plans to have an affair, to which she answers in the negative. but the next day he answers the phone to a strange man asking for his wife, a man who won't leave a message but will call back later. The man becomes suspicious and begins investigating his wife and discovers she has been carrying on an affair. But as she fears her husband may discover it she breaks it off. He wonders what he has left to live for.

Wonderful story and script, superb cinematography and great acting.
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The Music Room - 4 of 10
#208 - 35mm - 3/15/08

The cinematography and direction are gorgeous, the performances are good and the art direction is excellent. The music... well if you really love non-western music this is for you, it's more intense (and more of it) than Yellow Earth even. the diagetic music was simply very overpowering in almost every scene it was featured in (about 60% of the film). Some of the underscoring was quite beautiful though, same type of music, just not as aggressive. ultimately it's fairly boring and more than a little tedious though.

An old man hears music wafting across the hills while lounging on the roof of his mansion. When he discovers that it's the sacred thread ceremony of a crass new-rich fellow it launches him on a long reminescence (which isn't apparent until the reminescence is over an hour and fifteen minutes later) that begins with his own son's sacred thread ceremony, and how his lavish spending there, and in particular on the music for the ceremony started his proud family's slide into bankruptcy. He is too proud to borrow money from the crass new-rich fellow (a usurer) so he slowly sells off his wife jewelry to fund his lavish lifestyle. Eventually his wife and son go on a trip to see his wife's dying father (or mother I can't remember), and the crass new-rich fellow decides to hold a house warming party and invites the old man. The old man decides to put the crass new-rich fellow in his place and claims to holding his own party on the same day, and naturally this forces the crass new-rich fellow to cancel to avoid offending the old man. the old man summons his wife and child and spends more of his ever decreasing wealth on a celebration culminating in a concert in his music room. They are due to return on a houseboat, but there is a storm on the day of their return and both are killed. how sad. The man sinks into a depression and becomes a recluse, end reminescence.

The crass new-rich fellow comes by to invite the old man personally to the opening of his new music room, with the best musicians in india. The old man refuses and the crass new-rich fellow mocks and attempts to humiliate the old man. Hearing the concert waft over the hills the old man decides to have the same musicians at the reopening of his own music room the next night and spends all his money on them to once again put the crass new-rich fellow in his place. then the lights go out in the music room and on the old man's life.

This was a double feature with Charulata, I'd intended to stay, but this film dragged on for so long (theoretically it's 100 minutes) I didn't think I could sit through a second one that was even longer, even though the story sounds much more interesting. Plus I'd missed my workout and skipping the second film let me get one in before the gym closed.
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Wow...I loved The Music Room, preferred it to any of the Apu films even. Classical tragedy of hubris, failure, and regret. I suppose it helps that I enjoy that style of Indian music. I was even watching on a craptacular DVD, I'd love to get the chance to see it on film like you did.

Holding my positive review of Where is the Friend's Home? until I get around to seeing Life and Nothing More.

re: Chrysanthemum's...given what I saw on the Janus VHS, I hope they go the full blown Criterion restoration route with Chrysanthemums instead of putting it on Eclipse.

re: Baby Doll....I thought that's exactly what was so provocative/transgressive about it, that it WAS about people not having sex (that and Carol Baker was smoking hot)...about a woman's ability to sexually dominate and control men even in a society where they are overtly powerless. Hand in hand with that idea is Malden's portrayal of a man driven insane by not getting any. The power of man's natural need for sex, that drives them to submit to women or compromise themselves ala a certain former governor, has rarely been shown on film the way it is in Baby Doll. That's without even delving in to the racism elements of the piece, where Eli Wallach's character is someone the white men will do business with, but he can never be their equal.
post #3581 of 3769

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For me not better than the Apus that I consider to be filmmaking of the highest order.

I am looking forward to your comments on [i]Where is My Friends Home?]/i]—another film I loved.
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#114 - Brief Encounter (1945) -

A lean, gorgeous-looking, utterly engrossing affair that is perhaps all too brief (several puns intended.) This tale of forbidden love is easily one of the very best romances I have ever watched, and I didn't want it to end. Our married lovers intense attraction and equally intense distress is overpowering at times, yet this is done without your typical melodramatic antics. There is no sweeping music, no grand moments of kissing under an umbrella in a thunderstorm. The beautiful classical score is appropriately somber. The whole thing is as tight and intimate as the narrow world they briefly share.

The only reason I am holding back form giving it full marks is that I had a very hard time making out the supporting cast dialogue, especially at the train station. I am assuming that it's of some thematic relevance. I recorded it off TCM so I had no subtitles available. Thankfully the leads were a bit easier to understand. Needless to say I will be watching it again; actually it's the rare film that I want to watch again immediately. I also know that if I could only watch one David Lean movie ever again, this would be it (of those if seen so far of course).

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#115 - Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948) -

Frankly I am overrating this one a bit. There is no doubt that it's a fine film, part adventure part study in greed. Great performances and character dynamics, terrific score, some excellent action (that bar fight was shockingly realistic). But with no one really to root for, and no real investment in the characters (a rather unlikeable bunch), I am not sure I will be seeking this one out again.

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Originally Posted by Adam_S
This was a double feature with Charulata, I'd intended to stay, but this film dragged on for so long (theoretically it's 100 minutes) I didn't think I could sit through a second one that was even longer, even though the story sounds much more interesting. Plus I'd missed my workout and skipping the second film let me get one in before the gym closed.

GAH. You passed up a chance to see Charulata on the big screen... to go WORK OUT? You are dead to me. Deader than kaplan, even.


#282 - Dont Look Back

Not much to say about this, really. Interesting "fly on the wall" material, although Bob Dylan is most likely playing it up for the camera a bit. I was pleased that there wasn't too much performance footage. I love Dylan's music, but I didn't want to see a concert film. Rating: 8
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I was disappointed to leave before watching Charulata, partially because I knew it used to be difficult to view, then I get home and find out not only is it available from netflix, but available to watch instantly, so I'll probably watch it in the next month or two, so long as it's not pan and scanned like East of Eden, the last watch instantly I attempted to watch. I finally realized that netflix gets BetaSP or Digibeta tapes from the studios for its watch instantly program, much like any cable or broadcast network, and they probably receive the tape that gets sent to TNT or AMC or any of the typical p&s channels that aren't TCM, netflix doesn't rip the DVD for the watch instantly films, which is why so many older films are pan and scan.
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Charulata's OAR is 1.33.
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02/27/08:LAST YEAR IN MARIENBAD(Alain Resnais, 1961)

02/27/08: DANS LE LABYRINTHE DE MARIENBAD (Luc Lagier, 2005)

Hypnotic, haunting, surreal, cerebral – these are epithets which come to mind when watching this legendary arty/poetic film which is rather akin to the intellectual/fantastic work of Jean Cocteau. Few titles generate such polar extremes of reaction – hailed as the greatest film ever made in some quarters but also reviled as being among the worst fifty in others, it’s a true staple of World Cinema (about which it became fashionable at the time of its original to announce that one had seen and understood). Ultimately, even if it only lasts for 94 minutes, its single-minded relentlessness does grows somewhat tiresome – which, basically, prevented me from giving it top marks.

Being a momentous collaboration between leading “Nouveau Roman” and “Nouvelle Vague” exponents – Alain-Robbe Grillet (who passed away just recently) and Alain Resnais respectively – it’s small wonder that the identity of the film’s true auteur has been as much debated as that of L’AGE D’OR (1930) and CITIZEN KANE (1941). Incidentally, Robbe-Grillet’s novel “L’ Immortelle” had been their first choice for a mutual project – but it was subsequently filmed by the author himself in 1963 (which, personally, left me very disappointed when I watched it only recently!). Anyway, Resnais himself called LAST YEAR IN MARIENBAD “a crude and primitive attempt to capture the complexity of thought and its mechanisms”; he also claimed it was inspired by Adolfo Bioy Casares’ sci-fi novel “The Invention Of Morel” (which was itself eventually turned into a bizarre film in 1974, partly shot here in Malta by an Italian crew and with an international cast – including another “New Wave” icon, Anna Karina).

The varied interpretations to which the film has been subjected (as treated on the Optimum R2 DVD in the accompanying lengthy introduction and comprehensive documentary) are alternately enlightening, outrageous and amusing. Still, the stage play and parlor games within the narrative itself result in being key elements to understanding its constructed, analytical nature – with the film’s success entirely dependant on the audience’s willingness to be ‘swept away’ by its overpowering sounds and peerless black-and-white images (as opposed to plot and characters). Score, production design and costumes are appropriately funereal, labyrinthine and elegant respectively – whereas the editing is commendably intricate (as well it should be, given the cryptic disposition of the film); for the record, the initial (indeed repeated) tracking shot across the ornate hotel corridors influenced – or is that inspired? – a scene in my own first script!

Just as crucial to the overall fabric of the film is the ‘perfect’ casting of the leading actors. No reference was made on the Optimum disc supplements to Delphine Seyrig’s likeness to Greta Garbo here, not merely by virtue of her atypically dark look – the actress is most often seen as a blonde – but also in her character’s yearning to be “left alone”. When I first watched the film on late-night Italian TV several years ago (which had led me to dub it “the strangest film I had ever seen”), I wasn’t aware of Giorgio Albertazzi’s other work – but I recently went through his stunning (if similarly highbrow) re-imagining of Robert Louis Stevenson via the TV mini-series JEKYLL (1969), and was extremely impressed. While the nature of Sacha Piteoff’s character comes across as the most enigmatic of the three protagonists (each identified simply by an initial), he’s really little more than a plot contrivance – providing an obstacle to, or otherwise monitoring, the central couple’s would-be [/i]liaison[/i] re-enactment.

At this point, it’s worth mentioning some of the film’s other inspirations and influences (a few of which also cropped up within the extra features). The allusions to Alfred Hitchcock’s NORTH BY NORTHWEST (1959) and PSYCHO (1960) are merely technical and seem tenuous at best, whereas the more obvious connection to his VERTIGO (1958) – the molding of the female lead into the hero’s ideal – goes unmentioned! The film’s formalism owes a lot to the work of Michelangelo Antonioni and the psychology to that of Ingmar Bergman’s; both of these masters are contemporaries of Resnais who burst on the international scene around the same time. The repetition of scenes and dialogue, as well as the blurring between reality and fantasy derives from Luis Bunuel: incidentally, his BELLE DE JOUR (1967) was also shot by Sacha Vierny – while Delphine Seyrig herself would appear in both THE MILKY WAY (1969) and THE DISCREET CHARM OF THE BOURGEOSIE (1972) for the Spanish master surrealist. Besides, I became aware of the film’s affinity with Stanley Kubrick’s THE SHINING (1980) – via the hotel setting, the ghostly figures and the long tracking shots – before it was even pointed out. The impetus of LAST YEAR IN MARIENBAD can also be felt in stuff deemed as “Exploitation” by most critics, notably Jess Franco’s most demanding effort – SUCCUBUS (1967) – with the mystified heroine being imperceptibly goaded towards embracing her own destiny; incidentally, Franco’s penchant for kinky cabaret acts can itself be traced back to Robbe-Grillet, in whose work sado-masochism is a recurring motif!
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Very interesting Mario. It has been around 30 years since I last saw this movie, but it was a very hot topic of conversation among movie buffs (and others) when first released.

I was inspired to become an expert at the match game as a result of this movie.
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#283 - Atanarjuat (The Fast Runner)

Bravo to the Eskimos, I guess, for putting together a film where there is zero film industry. It's a good plot, and the insight into their culture is far richer than Nanook of the North. However, it is quite clearly an amateur production. The acting is mostly poor, the story is (based as it is on a legend) is utterly black & white with flat characterization, and it's shot on ugly video. Not shot badly, but it's video and you can tell. Furthermore, there isn't any distinct style or voice at work. I didn't mind watching it, even considering its excessive length, but it certainly isn't noteworthy and I wouldn't recommend it unless you're really interested in Eskimos. Rating: 6


I'd be really surprised if the two guys who voted for this vote for it again in 2012.
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03/21/08: THE ROUND-UP (Miklos Jancso`, 1965)

I have made of this most notable of Hungarian films a personal holy grail ever since I laid eyes on an illustrated two-page spread found in an old British magazine of my father’s entitled “The Movie” – and now, over 20 years later, I have finally managed to track the thing down and, thanks to the valiant R2 DVD label Second Run, add it to my ever-increasing eclectic home video collection. For the record, despite knowing of its imminent release on DVD, I was seriously contemplating traveling to London for last week’s big-screen showing of THE ROUND-UP at the Curzon Mayfair (with Jancso` in attendance, no less) – but, alas, it is just as well that I didn’t go because of what occurred over here a couple of days prior to the event: a tragically unnecessary death in the family which, worse still, turned into a national tragedy (with long-term social and legal repercussions to boot). But life, pitiless and unjust as it is, has to go on and, slowly but surely, I have now jumped back into my old routine of film watching and reviewing…

Although there have been other noteworthy Hungarian film-makers before (Paul Fejos) and since (Istvan Szabo), Miklos Jancso` is still perhaps the most important. Ironically, while he was the first one I personally became aware of, my viewing of THE ROUND-UP has actually been my very first encounter with his work – although, now that the first step has been taken, it will be followed by three more in a few days’ time. Sometimes it can happen to a film buff that the actual experience of watching the movie, about which one has heard a lot and eagerly longed for, turns out to be underwhelming but, thankfully, this has not proven to be the case for me with THE ROUND-UP. Indeed, the phrase “unlike anything you’ve ever seen before” is often freely banded about by unimaginative film reviewers – but this description is unquestionably apt when applied to Jancso`’s masterpiece.

In that enticing and insightful article I mentioned above written by Jancso`’s first assistant director on the film itself (and which I immediately re-read upon the film’s termination), it is stated that while THE ROUND-UP was based on factual events which had taken place in Hungary in 1869 and could have easily been shot on the actual locations of castles and fortresses, Jancso` sought a different visual approach altogether with regards to sets and costumes – “half-way between reality and abstraction”, as he brilliantly puts it. Since I found myself wholeheartedly agreeing with other observations he made on the film, I don’t see why I can’t quote him some more: “It has a coherent, easy-to-read story – comprehensible at a single viewing – and at the same time a deep, intellectual, almost abstract parable”.

The abstraction being alluded to is not restricted to visual (literally, black and white) terms alone – where the stark whiteness of the prison-fortress walls and the hooded Hungarian convicts memorably contrast with the black capes and uniforms of the Austrian oppressors – but also to its very narrative style: while it becomes clear early on that the subject of the relentless interrogations is the identification and capture of legendary rebel leader Sandor (who never actually appears in person but whose presence permeates the entire film), people appear and disappear with insistent frequency and, although there are definite characters which take precedence over others, there is no true main central figure one can clearly identify with and root for.

Thematically, it is oppression and degradation which are the key elements: right from the animated prologue at the start displaying a succession of torture devices, we later watch men made to stand in the rain and a woman stripped naked and whipped to death with canes (the sight of which sends her despairing spouse leaping to his death). But the oppressors’ ultimate weapon of humiliation is treachery: through vain promises of instant freedom, prisoners – and, at one point, a grieving mother and, later still, father and son – are repeatedly induced to betray one another (via abrupt, silent motions) but, instead of liberty, they are rewarded with a bullet in the back, the retribution of their own people and, in the supremely ironic finale, cold-blooded mass extermination. In this context, the character of Gajdor is especially poignant (and even amusing in a blackly comedic way) as he pathetically keeps reminding his captors that, even though he has already fingered several worse criminals than himself, he is a prisoner still. Interestingly, this paradox can also be applied to the ingenious location of the prison-fortress (within which practically the whole film is set) – rebuilt specifically for this production in the middle of uninhabited plains that stretch as far and wide as the eye can see.

Miklos Jancso` is renowned for his rigorous visual style and, even from this one sampling of his work – albeit that which is generally perceived as being his chef d’oeuvre – to say that I was rightfully impressed would be putting it mildly. The constantly moving camera, on the one hand encircling the prisoners as if it was one of them and encompassing wide vistas of soldiers astride their horses on the other, necessarily limits the utilization of close-ups to the barest minimum – as if purposefully adopting the impassive stance of an historical observer. For this viewer, it literally wove a mesmeric spell the likes of which I have only experienced once before during a movie – Robert Bresson’s A MAN ESCAPED (1956) which, perhaps significantly, also deals with incarceration.
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The Decalogue

10 - 7 of 10

I didn't connect to this final installment quite as much, it's more humorous in its final moment, which is a nice touch of rare levity for this overall quite dour series of films. I simply couldn't get beyond the idea of bank, insurance, bank. Take out the insurance and put the stamp collection in a secure deposit box. perhaps that's naive of me for some reason, but it seems much sillier to try to camp out at the apartment and install bars and a dog. On the other hand, the brothers did the right thing in exchanging a kidney for a stamp, again, sort of humorous.

Overall I would rate the Decalogue a 9 of 10. many of the films are exceptional, and overall the experience of them is quite fine, a masterful achievement, but not one I am drawn to revisit. Some of the films are especially exquisite but not all, and even if all were that wouldn't necessarily make the whole an equal to the parts. Quite the cinematic experience.
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Adam,

Thanks for the episode by episode critique of The Decalogue.

I definitely will be putting it on my list of things to see.

Cheers

Rich D
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If Criterion releases a version of decalogue I would be very tempted to buy it (or any new version at all really) because I found the transfers quite lacking, but it is definitely a superb film all fans of cinema should see at least once.
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#284 - Monsieur Verdoux

I'm trying to put my dislike for Chaplin aside long enough to get through the remaining canonical works I haven't seen yet. Thankfully, this is the last of the talkies, because his talkies are uniformly awful. Never mind his shocking lack of skill at verbal humor (although there are a few amusing moments of black comedy to be found here). What makes it unbearable is his insufferable need to spew out little profundities all the time, all of which are horribly written and delivered with the distinct air of the Very Important Message. "Despair is a narcotic. It lulls the mind into indifference." Please spare me. Not quite as bad as the wretched Limelight, but there were several points when I could do nothing but groan. Rating: 3
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I'm still trying to forget (unsuccessfully) Chaplin saying "the little fellow" time and time again in his own modified version of GOLD RUSH. Oh, the horror ......

Still, if you don't like much of his stuff why bother going through it? Last I checked they don't pin a special badge on the grave of completists.

I'm a big fan of Modern Times and City Lights (especially the latter). The Great Dictator is on my 'to see' list.
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Originally Posted by Adam_S
If Criterion releases a version of decalogue I would be very tempted to buy it (or any new version at all really) because I found the transfers quite lacking
The thing was made for polish TV, it's possible that what we have is as good as it will ever look.

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Still, if you don't like much of his stuff why bother going through it? Last I checked they don't pin a special badge on the grave of completists.

I don't mind the silents... or rather, I'm somewhat indifferent towards them. I got the Chaplin Collection Volume 2 from the library so that I could watch Verdoux for this thread, and I figured while I've got it I might as well watch the entries from the "They Shoot Pictures, Don't They?" top 1000 list that I haven't seen yet too (The Kid, The Circus, A Woman in Paris).
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Originally Posted by Martin Teller
I don't mind the silents... or rather, I'm somewhat indifferent towards them. I got the Chaplin Collection Volume 2 from the library so that I could watch Verdoux for this thread, and I figured while I've got it I might as well watch the entries from the "They Shoot Pictures, Don't They?" top 1000 list that I haven't seen yet too (The Kid, The Circus, A Woman in Paris).

THE CIRCUS is his funniest movie, so you should like that one. In other words, there's no pretension to make a "great film" with THE CIRCUS as there is with CITY LIGHTS and MODERN TIMES, if that's what bothers you. THE CIRCUS was made during a very trying time in his personal life, ironically.
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Originally Posted by Mario Gauci
03/21/08: THE ROUND-UP (Miklos Jancso`, 1965)

I have made of this most notable of Hungarian films a personal holy grail ever since I laid eyes on an illustrated two-page spread found in an old British magazine of my father’s entitled “The Movie” – and now, over 20 years later, I have finally managed to track the thing down and, thanks to the valiant R2 DVD label Second Run, add it to my ever-increasing eclectic home video collection. For the record, despite knowing of its imminent release on DVD, I was seriously contemplating traveling to London for last week’s big-screen showing of THE ROUND-UP at the Curzon Mayfair (with Jancso` in attendance, no less) – but, alas, it is just as well that I didn’t go because of what occurred over here a couple of days prior to the event: a tragically unnecessary death in the family which, worse still, turned into a national tragedy (with long-term social and legal repercussions to boot). But life, pitiless and unjust as it is, has to go on and, slowly but surely, I have now jumped back into my old routine of film watching and reviewing…

Although there have been other noteworthy Hungarian film-makers before (Paul Fejos) and since (Istvan Szabo), Miklos Jancso` is still perhaps the most important. Ironically, while he was the first one I personally became aware of, my viewing of THE ROUND-UP has actually been my very first encounter with his work – although, now that the first step has been taken, it will be followed by three more in a few days’ time. Sometimes it can happen to a film buff that the actual experience of watching the movie, about which one has heard a lot and eagerly longed for, turns out to be underwhelming but, thankfully, this has not proven to be the case for me with THE ROUND-UP. Indeed, the phrase “unlike anything you’ve ever seen before” is often freely banded about by unimaginative film reviewers – but this description is unquestionably apt when applied to Jancso`’s masterpiece.

In that enticing and insightful article I mentioned above written by Jancso`’s first assistant director on the film itself (and which I immediately re-read upon the film’s termination), it is stated that while THE ROUND-UP was based on factual events which had taken place in Hungary in 1869 and could have easily been shot on the actual locations of castles and fortresses, Jancso` sought a different visual approach altogether with regards to sets and costumes – “half-way between reality and abstraction”, as he brilliantly puts it. Since I found myself wholeheartedly agreeing with other observations he made on the film, I don’t see why I can’t quote him some more: “It has a coherent, easy-to-read story – comprehensible at a single viewing – and at the same time a deep, intellectual, almost abstract parable”.

The abstraction being alluded to is not restricted to visual (literally, black and white) terms alone – where the stark whiteness of the prison-fortress walls and the hooded Hungarian convicts memorably contrast with the black capes and uniforms of the Austrian oppressors – but also to its very narrative style: while it becomes clear early on that the subject of the relentless interrogations is the identification and capture of legendary rebel leader Sandor (who never actually appears in person but whose presence permeates the entire film), people appear and disappear with insistent frequency and, although there are definite characters which take precedence over others, there is no true main central figure one can clearly identify with and root for.

Thematically, it is oppression and degradation which are the key elements: right from the animated prologue at the start displaying a succession of torture devices, we later watch men made to stand in the rain and a woman stripped naked and whipped to death with canes (the sight of which sends her despairing spouse leaping to his death). But the oppressors’ ultimate weapon of humiliation is treachery: through vain promises of instant freedom, prisoners – and, at one point, a grieving mother and, later still, father and son – are repeatedly induced to betray one another (via abrupt, silent motions) but, instead of liberty, they are rewarded with a bullet in the back, the retribution of their own people and, in the supremely ironic finale, cold-blooded mass extermination. In this context, the character of Gajdor is especially poignant (and even amusing in a blackly comedic way) as he pathetically keeps reminding his captors that, even though he has already fingered several worse criminals than himself, he is a prisoner still. Interestingly, this paradox can also be applied to the ingenious location of the prison-fortress (within which practically the whole film is set) – rebuilt specifically for this production in the middle of uninhabited plains that stretch as far and wide as the eye can see.

Miklos Jancso` is renowned for his rigorous visual style and, even from this one sampling of his work – albeit that which is generally perceived as being his chef d’oeuvre – to say that I was rightfully impressed would be putting it mildly. The constantly moving camera, on the one hand encircling the prisoners as if it was one of them and encompassing wide vistas of soldiers astride their horses on the other, necessarily limits the utilization of close-ups to the barest minimum – as if purposefully adopting the impassive stance of an historical observer. For this viewer, it literally wove a mesmeric spell the likes of which I have only experienced once before during a movie – Robert Bresson’s A MAN ESCAPED (1956) which, perhaps significantly, also deals with incarceration.

I agree that Jancso's style at that time was breathtaking and mesmerizing. The use of the wide-open Hungarian setting combined with the constantly roaming camera and long-take is quite something and truly original, as is Jancso's refusal to let you, the viewer, come to know any of the characters. In Hollywood cinema, that would be a big no-no, but Jancso makes it work; in fact, it's the point -- warfare dehumanizes us and depersonalizes us and those around us. It is a brilliant unison of form and content.

I like THE RED AND THE WHITE more than THE ROUND-UP, but it's usually stated in textbooks that RED PSALM is his greatest movie, however you're stating otherwise. I haven't seen the latter, so I can't attest to its merits. I presume it's a combination of the content of his black and white films exhibited by, for example, THE ROUND-UP, and the performance piece style that he quickly moved toward (e.g. ELECTRA -- which is not all that captivating, sadly). I really hope to see it one day, because like you with THE ROUND-UP, I've been reading about it for a long time (same with CHIMES AT MIDNIGHT).
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Originally Posted by Thomas J.
I agree that Jancso's style at that time was breathtaking and mesmerizing. The use of the wide-open Hungarian setting combined with the constantly roaming camera and long-take is quite something and truly original, as is Jancso's refusal to let you, the viewer, come to know any of the characters. In Hollywood cinema, that would be a big no-no, but Jancso makes it work; in fact, it's the point -- warfare dehumanizes us and depersonalizes us and those around us. It is a brilliant unison of form and content.

I like THE RED AND THE WHITE more than THE ROUND-UP, but it's usually stated in textbooks that RED PSALM is his greatest movie, however you're stating otherwise. I haven't seen the latter, so I can't attest to its merits. I presume it's a combination of the content of his black and white films exhibited by, for example, THE ROUND-UP, and the performance piece style that he quickly moved toward (e.g. ELECTRA -- which is not all that captivating, sadly). I really hope to see it one day, because like you with THE ROUND-UP, I've been reading about it for a long time (same with CHIMES AT MIDNIGHT).

Thanks for reading and for taking the time to reply, Thomas!

In my mind, it always seemed like THE ROUND-UP (1965) was Jancso`'s most critically-lauded film and, to quote Bela Tarr from the April 2008 issue of "Sight & Sound" - "People need to see his really beautiful three or four first movies...the highest mountain is THE ROUND-UP..."

Having said that, leafing through a book I acquired a couple of years ago - "1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die" (edited by Steven Jay Schneider) - I was recently surprised to discover that the only two Jancso` movies included therein were THE RED AND THE WHITE (1967) and RED PSALM (1972)!

Technically, I should get to see both of these soon enough but the Second Run DVD of the former is currently out-of-stock from my usual supplier and the copy I burned of the latter had its English subtitles disabled! I've heard that it's largely a visual film but, at this stage, I'd rather not be introduced to it in an unsubtitled form.
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