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post #2911 of 3769

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Originally Posted by Seth Paxton
Look, WTF is your problem?

I tried to be polite about the grammar thing and you went off. I let that go because why get into it with someone the responds that way. But personal attacks go over the line, especially a not so subtle "you act like a child" comment.

First, don't put words in double quotes unless you are directly quoting someone. You've been around here long enough to know that.

Second, how do you suggest that your quite obvious comments aren't understood? And yes, I gave you the same thing back. But at least I'm honest about it.

This 'I detect that you're taking this "air of superiority" approach which is undermined by your poor use of grammar' stuff?' That's your idea of polite? Please. Two words Seth: passive aggressive.

Now, if you want to lecture about your approach to watching films or any other subject (including nonsense like generalizing Italian cinema or that film, after music, is not the international language) please set up a thread for it.

However, if you just want to rattle my cage because I believe that a Visconti film is garbage, may I suggest first seeing the film in question.

Now, I'm sure that others are bored with this so I'll give you the last word. Then let's move on.
post #2912 of 3769

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#90 - Marnie (1964) -

Rounding up Hitchcok on this list, this one feels like an amalgam of his previous flicks. But, I found it most reminscent of Vertigo in tone, characters, music and even some plot elements. The underrated (along with The birds) Hedren was fantastic in her ability to convey cold prudness, defiant sarcasm and irresistible frailty. Bond was pretty good as well. The ending held few surprises, though we are thankfully spared a Psycho-style long and tedious explanation. Not my favorite Hitchcock by a long shot, but a fine movie none the less, more enjoyeable than say, The 39 Steps or Strangers on a Train in my book.


#91 - All About My Mother (1999) -

This is not at all what I expected it to be. The summary on the DVD makes it sound like a sickly sweet, perhaps quirky little flick: From memory, it's something like "single mother loses only son in a accident, and embarks on a journey to find his father and learns to deal with his family". I am thinking I must have read it completely wrong... Anyway, this premise is essentially correct, but certainly does not prepare the unwitting viewer to the strange world where they end-up. The movie is ultimately a celebration of womanhood, up to and including some of the superficially marginal members of the gender. Compassion, heart, resillience are featured along side jealousy and deceptiveness, some of the less agreables (wink wink) aspects of the subject matter which Aldomovar does not shy away from, yet never judges or condemns. These women, are what they are, and remain beautiful as such. The jazzy, moody score deserves a special mention.

I have only seen two Almodovar movies, this and Talk to her, but they share common elements, a reverence of womanhood, a prominence of performance arts, sadness, grief and perhaps to a lesser degree, loneliness. In both movies, characters are moved to tears by a stage play. While the connection between the stage and characters appears to be direct in AAMM, it is rather more nebulous in TTH from what I remember. On a more superficial level, "title cards" (more like subtitles) are used in both, to indicate passege of time in the former, and character connections in the latter. Perhaps just an Almodovar trademark. Watching AAMM makes me want to revisit TTH, which I own, but I won't just yet, as I remember a fairly depressing, if life affirming work.

AAMM is one of the most recent movies on this list which is predictably skewed toward older fare. This prompted me to sort the list by year, out of curiosity, looking for recent material. I was not prepared to find 6 movies by iranian director Kiarostami, all from the 90s . pretty surprising to see that such a recent director is better represented on this list than a Wilder (4), Bergman (5), Spielberg (3!!!) and countless others. I've not seen a single movie from this fellow, I am intrigued. The local Hollywood Video has The Wind Will Carry Us, I shall check that out that way rather than waiting for netflix.

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post #2913 of 3769

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I was not prepared to find 6 movies by iranian director Kiarostami, all from the 90s . pretty surprising to see that such a recent director is better represented on this list than a Wilder (4), Bergman (5), Spielberg (3!!!) and countless others. I've not seen a single movie from this fellow, I am intrigued. The local Hollywood Video has The Wind Will Carry Us, I shall check that out that way rather than waiting for netflix.

Perhaps it is surprising, but then the canon has been 'finalized' by these critics in regards to Spielberg, Bergman and Wilder, (though they keep having to smack Spielberg back into the box they drew for him). For a more recent art film favorite like Kiarostami everyone has their individual favorites, and everyone wants to show how hip they are by including one of his films right? After all 'everyone' agrees he's the new, terribly important director.

Right...

Kiarostami films got a total of 17 votes, Bergman's a total of 47 votes, Spielberg 8 votes, Wilder 46. The bias against Spielberg is clear to me, but expected when the list is polling only the elite and art-film inclined.

On the other hand Woody Allen only got two films on the list, George Cukor and Michael Curtiz only one...

as for those last two, take a look at some of Armin's posts in the 1930s thread to get an idea of the current international attitude towards classic hollywood cinema (it's hostile, antagonistic and extremely close-minded to the possibility of artistic merit emerging regularly from the studios).
post #2914 of 3769

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Originally Posted by rich_d
Now, if you want to lecture about your approach to watching films or any other subject (including nonsense like generalizing Italian cinema or that film, after music, is not the international language) please set up a thread for it.
I for one appreciate these contributions.

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post #2915 of 3769

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Now, I'm sure that others are bored with this so I'll give you the last word.

Not so much bored as completely astonished that anyone could get Seth as riled up as George gets about John Rice...
post #2916 of 3769

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Hey, you won't see me getting riled up about someone who's on my ignore list.
post #2917 of 3769

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Here I am again commenting on a movie I have to yet to complete. Real life got in the way of my finishing The Battle of Algiers last night, and I will definitely do so tonight. I just wanted to stop and say, what an amazing movie! Unless something goes terribly wrong in the last hour or so I have left, we have a masterpiece on our hands .

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#92 - Jules and Jim (1962) -

Jules and Jim chronicles the unusual love triangle formed by two best friend and the disarmingly impulsive yet deceptively controlling woman who bewitched them. Catherine is a woman of average looks and intellect, yet possesses a je ne sais quoi which allows her to bend men to her rather fickle will and live her love life on her own terms. As Jim says at some point, she seeks to redefine the terms of love and free them from the trappings of traditional relationships for that perfect melange of the thrills of promiscuity and the security of commitment. Basically, the best of both worlds, the Holy Grail, you go girl! .

And for a while, a long time actually, it works. Our characters find some measure of happiness -- arguably no less than they would in more traditional settings -- in the moral vacuum where Catherine has steered their existence. But will this hedonistic lifestyle prove more compatible with human nature than the alternative?

A true product of the 60s, this fresh, breezy tale was just a wonderful experience, and will be joining my collection very soon.

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post #2919 of 3769

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I was starting to get worried for a while there, Holadem...less than great ratings for Grand Illusion, Rules of the Game, La Strada, 8 1/2, Marnie over 39 Steps and Strangers on a Train...but you're coming back nicely with Battle of Algiers and Jules and Jim!
post #2920 of 3769

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And I was worried wondering if anyone was still reading this thread .

Well, lemme splain. I rate out of 4 stars, and 3 means "good, enjoyeable movie, probable rewatch potential" which is what I think of La Strada, Rules of the Game and Marnie. But also, keep in mind that I have seen theses movies exactly once, and the ratings reflect this. I mention this because I have found myself thinking about La Strada and Rules of the Game quite a bit (a mark of a good/great movie) and am fairly certain I would rate them better on rewatch. As a matter of fact, I am surprised I only gave RotG a 3.

Marnie was enjoyeable as well, but I doubt I will ever feel the need to see it again, and if I do, enjoy it as much. The downfall of Stranger on a Train in my book was the irritating leads. The 39 Steps... I remember next to nothing of, and that is never a good thing.

8 1/2 is tricky. I gave it 3 when I saw it, but in retrospect, that should have been 2.5. It may get better when I watch it again, but the truth is, I have no desire to engage in the exercise of deciphering a world that ultimately did not engage me on any level (unlike say 2001), when there are so many other movies to watch. If it comes accross my way (say, on TV, fat chance ), I will watch it, but won't go out of my way to do so.

And then there is personal baggage. What one takes away from a film is of course the result of a unique interraction between the viewer and the work: As an anecdote, I dislike the circus, and will thus be more resistant to works which prominently feature that environment; consequently, Fellini will probably never be my favorite director.

Ultimately, my ratings are mostly indicative of my level of enjoyement, regardless of which aspect(s) of the film (script, cinematography, etc...) provided it.

Hope this makes sense... (and that I didn't sound too much like Kaplan ).

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post #2921 of 3769

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Haggai, I also wanna add that Jules and Jim came as a complete surprise to me as well. I was gearing up for another technically interesting but emotionally univolving experiment like The 400 Blows (), and ended up completely floored.

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post #2922 of 3769

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I think that Rules of the Game in particular bears repeated viewing. It is such a complex blend of story and cinematography that I still see new things every time.
post #2923 of 3769

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Hope this makes sense... (and that I didn't sound too much like Kaplan
Let me put your mind to rest there. I think that The 39 Steps, Strangers on a Train and Marnie are all significantly better than The Grand Illusion, Rules of the Game or La Strada. And I very much despise the hell out of Jules & Jim, so don't worry, you don't sound too much like me at all.
post #2924 of 3769

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400 Blows, two stars? Now you're back in the doghouse, H.

Seriously, though, almost every single movie you've mentioned in the last couple of posts ranks as "great" on my own scale, with several of them ranking as "among the best I've ever seen." The one exception being Marnie, where I like the first half a lot but don't care too much for the second half, making it an overall "OK, but could have been better" movie for me.

Too bad you haven't liked the other Fellini movies you've seen. I liked 8 1/2 when I first saw it, without being blown away, but that changed when I eventually saw it again.

Regarding Jules and Jim, I bet you might have been surprised by the intensity of that first minute, eh? It reaches right out and grabs you without wasting any time at all!
post #2925 of 3769

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I think that Rules of the Game in particular bears repeated viewing. It is such a complex blend of story and cinematography that I still see new things every time.

agreed, I was surprised how much more I liked the film on a second viewing, even moreso with Grand illusion where listening to the commentary really opened my eyes to how much of the movie I was missing (cultural and era stuff that would have been vernacular to 1930s french).

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technically interesting but emotionally univolving experiment like The 400 Blows

I found 400 Blows to be emotionally powerful, but that's just me, I barely registered the technique the first time, I was so caught up in the visuals.
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#93 - The Battle of Algiers (1966) -

As a product of French colonialism, whose country gained it's independence in the same time frame covered in this movie (albeit peacefully), ya got to understand that any movie which shows an indigenous population laying the smack down on the French is gonna get a thumbs up from me. This one is personal.

While France let most of their colonies go in 1960, they held onto Algeria, as it's status was markedly different from the rest of their overseas possessions by design: The Algerian colony was directly across the Mediterranean Sea and was intended to be an extension of the south of France, and an integral part of the country. At the time events depicted in the film, it had been occupied for about 130 years and its northernmost regions were administratively integrated into mainland France. The colony was home to a couple of generations of locally born settlers - some 1 million "pieds noirs" as they were called.

The Battle of Algiers chronicles the final phases of the FLN-engineered underground resistance in Algiers and ensuing massive uprising which resulted in the independence of Algeria. FLN stands for Front de Liberation National.

Right off the bat, the most striking aspect of the film is how contemporary it fells, and this is a strictly technical comment -- we will get into the themes in a second. The camera work and flawless editing could have been the result of a present day production. It's raw, gritty and real, but without the perhaps overused handheld camera jitters which have become the hallmark of the recent indie productions. The massive insurrections toward the end of the movie seem so real it's hard to believe they are not documentary footage. Although no such thing is present on the Criterion copy I borrowed from the library, I read elsewhere that prints of this movie used to carry a disclaimer stating that (hear this) none of the footage is real. That should tell you something.

The movie is mostly a succession of time-stamped scenes depicting the escalation of operations on both sides of the conflict. We spend some time with both the French and FLN leadership and operatives, but the film never really forgets that this war is greater than any one character or group thereof (or perhaps I never did?). There are no real characters per se, as far as development or depth goes. These people are what they are and do what they do, just vehicles for actions that must be performed on both sides. In that regard, I am reminded of the recent Black Hawk Down.

George complained earlier in this thread about the relative lack of suspense in the cafe bombing scenes compared to something Hitchcock might have staged. I strongly disagree, as I was at the edge of my seat during every one of those scenes, wondering whether the women would succeed in their mission.

The frequent narration, in addition to the occasional strategic briefing by both parties, is the glue which lends cohesiveness to a chronicle which would otherwise lack a narrative hook due to the film's deliberate distance. It consists of readings of clandestine FLN leaflets, French radio newscasts, and standard omniscient commentary, all delivered by the same newsreel style (but not as propagandist) voice. Here again, with rare exceptions such as the revolutionary leader Ali La Pointe's introduction, the narration is less concerned with the details of the war, and more with ideological pronouncements (by proxy of the leaflets) and the big picture, such as the UN resolution concerning the "Algerian question". The minutiae of the struggle during such scenes are conveyed visually, such as the hand-to-hand travel of secret handwritten notes among the insurgency.

As for the themes, well, there is enough in The Battle of Algiers to spin the head of anyone with the slightest interest in current events. The parallels are so striking as to be unreal. The same difficult questions asked in the movie are being put on the table today, sometimes word for word (the press conference), and the same responses are heard as well, confirming that history is just one depressing cycle powered by the amnesia (or cluelesness) of our misguided leaders.

What can I say, this one hit all the right chords, and then some more. The fantastic direction and historical context blend together to produce one of the most visceral cinematic experiences I have ever had. The Battle of Algiers is an outstanding piece of filmmaking, a masterpiece.

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On the other hand Woody Allen only got two films on the list, George Cukor and Michael Curtiz only one...
as for those last two, take a look at some of Armin's posts in the 1930s thread to get an idea of the current international attitude towards classic hollywood cinema (it's hostile, antagonistic and extremely close-minded to the possibility of artistic merit emerging regularly from the studios).
I counted once the votes (and BTW noticed that the results for the top directors list are wrong on the result list). I wouldn't say that it's antagonistic towards classical Hollywood, in fact the situation improves with every poll. there is however a danger in the way the votes are gotten. Some not particularly thoughtful voters chose a Bergman, an Antonioni and so on and then one, two examples of classical Hollywood. This leads to throwing these votes to THE acknowledged classics like CASABLANCA, SINGING IN THE RAIN or GONE WITH THE WIND. Or on one film of the great directors like Hitchcock, Ford, Wilder, or Hawks.
Aside from the point that it's still too many english language participants in the poll, this "name the classic film or director" game leads to serious problems. Then you have some specific problems with the division directors/critics. While there are more critics than directors who vote, it doesn't account for the following vote results for Ophüls (13 critic votes/1 director vote), Godard (42/12), Mizoguchi (27/6), Murnau (26/7), Kiarostami (15/3), Vertov (7/0) and Cukor, Rivette, Tourner (all 5/0). Obviously there's a lack of knowledge amongst directors regarding all depths or certain spots of film history, in Godard's case they are the saner people :-). But the game also goes the other way round (remember there are fewer directors than critics) with Fellini (36/50), Lean (7/23), de Sica (8/16), Polanski (4/12), Huston (1/9) and Lumet, Walda (both 0/4).
Unfortunately there are some directors which aren't championed at the moment for no rational reason. A few of the directors who are HORRIBLY underrepresented: Clair (0), Duvivier (1), Feyder (0), Käutner (0), Mamoulian (3), Minnelli (4), Pabst (2), Sautet (1), Scola (0), Siodmak (0), Staudte (0), Sternberg (3), Vidor (0), Wyler (4) and Zinnemann (2).
These are great, but not flashy directors who obviously don't attract the attraction they deserve.
post #2928 of 3769

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I've been browsing this lengthy thread and decided I'd like to join the club, come what may. The main reason is because I like to get recommendations of films which are well regarded because most of the time it's proven in the past to be a very enriching and worthwhile experience. It's my hope that I can discover new treasures to add to the list of others I've unearthed due to recommendations.

Having said that, I don't agree with some films getting entered on this list (which is to be expected - what in the world is THE TINGLER doing here? Why is DON'T LOOK BACK here and not A HARD DAY'S NIGHT?) and there are also many fine films which are incredibly missing from the list as well (did I misread, or is BEN-HUR [1959], the greatest film ever made, not here?!) -- but I expect those types of opinions are to be expected, too.
post #2929 of 3769

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Welcome Joe, I just recently got back into this as well, after a year+ long break. You're gonna wade through some head-scratchers (Andrei Rublev ) but on the whole, this thing is hugely rewarding. The last movie I reviewed was worth sitting through every painful experience on this list to get to.

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post #2930 of 3769

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Thanks, Holadem. Yes, I expect many head scratchers as you say. But I figure it's worth it in the end to uncover the gems. If that ever stops being rewarding, I can always stop.
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Obviously there's a lack of knowledge amongst directors regarding all depths or certain spots of film history

Or the directors just don't value the same things in what they define as a great (or greatest) film that film critics do. For the most part, the directors you listed (Lean, Lumet etc) that are preferred by directors make much more accessible, much better imo, movies.

this is rhetorical: Does the overwhelming critic love of Godard indicate they place a higher value on experiment in form than on solid storytelling, does the love for Mizoguchi mean they place on a higher value on depressing movies that uplifting movies, does the love for Murnau mean they place a higher value on certain areas of film history?

Not really and we'll never know, there are definitely places the two groups overlap, such as the overwhelming majority of Citizen Kane, but it seems overall the two groups value different kinds of cinema.

I think there's a problem with the number of choices. Ten is just enough to include the films you love most (perhaps illogically) above all others, the non-intellectual choices. Or ten is just enough films to make a nearly balanced intellectual list of all the choices you think represent the finest of the history of film. Or ten is just enough to champion the lost causes, the pet films you love that orthodox film history has forgotten. Everyone approaches list making a little differently. Some, like Tarentino and Rodriguez picked tne films they felt never get any credit or consideration in these lists. And when the list has the prestige and history of the Sight and Sound poll behind it the stakes are raised a little.

my list of the 10 films I"m most passionate about, in my opinion the ten greatest films of all time

The Apartment
Empire of the Sun
The Empire Strikes Back
The Godfather
How Green Was My Valley
Lawrence of Arabia
A Matter of Life and Death
Seven Samurai
Shawshank Redemption
To Kill A Mockingbird

Ten films to best represent the best of film History (this would change everytime I tried to pick them based on balance of film history and greatness of film)

400 Blows
Casablanca
The Godfather
Grand Illusion
King Kong
Man Who Shot Liberty Valence
Seven Samurai
Spirited Away
Sunrise
The Tin Drum

10 overlooked films I'd champion

A.I.
Almost Famous
Battle Royale
Empire of the Sun
Empire Strikes Back
How Green Was my Valley
A Matter of Life and Death
Seven Brides for Seven Brothers
Stage Door
Whisper of the Heart

10 films I feel don't get any credit because they're outside the boundaries typical great movies lists look at.

Battle Royale
Beauty and the Beast (91)
Dazed and Confused
Harvey
Pollyanna
Princess Bride
Seven Brides for Seven Brothers
Stage Door
Stand By Me
Whisper of the Heart

I have no idea which of the above lists I'd submit to S and S were I part of the poll. Probably the first one, but then I might pull out Seven Samurai and Godfather to include films from the other lists--and I'd choose to take those two out because I'd know they're the two on my list most likely to garner many times the votes of the other eight films combined.
post #2932 of 3769

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Holadem - I agree on Marnie, but your opinion of 39 Steps... That's one I really enjoy. Oh well.

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this and Talk to her, but they share common elements, a reverence of womanhood, a prominence of performance arts, sadness, grief and perhaps to a lesser degree, loneliness. In both movies, characters are moved to tears by a stage play. While the connection between the stage and characters appears to be direct in AAMM, it is rather more nebulous in TTH from what I remember. On a more superficial level, "title cards" (more like subtitles) are used in both, to indicate passege of time in the former, and character connections in the latter. Perhaps just an Almodovar trademark. Watching AAMM makes me want to revisit TTH, which I own, but I won't just yet, as I remember a fairly depressing, if life affirming work.
Yeah, I think I agree across the board with your reading there. But forget the narrative elements for a second, Almodovar has in incredibly talented eye for visual storytelling. Beautiful shots, but also a good mix and use of those shots. Some directors just look for money shots but don't have the sense for tying it all together. PA is one that does both.

And then on top of this he presents very interesting material too. Bad Education is the only other PA film I have seen so far, but I would strongly recommend it to anyone that enjoyed Talk to Her and All About MM.

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Haggai, I also wanna add that Jules and Jim came as a complete surprise to me as well. I was gearing up for another technically interesting but emotionally univolving experiment like The 400 Blows
Acckk! J&J is a film I thought was nice, 400 Blows was one that I thought was great. From my POV you are all over the board man.


One thing is for sure though, you have a great attitude about it, really in the spirit of the S&S challenge. Just the idea of us putting the time in, mulling over our thoughts, sharing and debating them with each other, that's the real point. Informed discussions are a lot more interesting.

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pretty surprising to see that such a recent director is better represented on this list than a Wilder (4), Bergman (5), Spielberg (3!!!) and countless others
I consider it disappointing. His work is visually interesting, and he presents a culture that typically does not get expression in the world of international film, especially in America. But it still feels like a overrepresentation of his work for this list. There are a few I have yet to see but if they are better than what I have seen it will only add to my feeling that what I have seen perhaps didn't warrant 2 votes for this list.


I strongly agree with Adam's response on the matter, especially in terms of the "how". In time I think this will settle, or a new, hip choice will push out all but perhaps his very best work.

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(it's hostile, antagonistic and extremely close-minded to the possibility of artistic merit emerging regularly from the studios
It's a shame too because as any Studio Era theorist will tell you the theme and style was just as strong and creative, it just happened to come from the key producers more often than the directors. Guys like Zanuck were the key auteurs of that era, with a few powerful directors also able to define themselves.

To me this movement is just another typical case of "destroy your idols". The studio era was the most influential period ever in the world of international cinema.

I did find your response here in the thread equally interesting Armin, certainly not antgonistic. Maybe that comes through better in the 1930's thread.



Joe - get ready for years of pain. The S&S has been a long, hard road for most of us I think. But it's pretty incredible to look back at what you did and didn't know about film before you started, just being able to put images and scenes to a famous movie title or director's name is very satisfying.

The good thing is that you have a sincere support group here on the matter. I think we've all hit points where we just couldn't get fired up to see any more "art/snob" films or just felt overwhelmed when we looked at the list of things we still had to see.

Those moods seem to come and go however, and often just reading an enthusiastic response in the thread can spark your interest in giving that film a shot or get you excited to tackle the next "tough" viewing on your list. For example I will be bumping up Algiers on my "to see" list.

I really wish I could get my hands on "The Devils".
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It's a shame too because as any Studio Era theorist will tell you the theme and style was just as strong and creative, it just happened to come from the key producers more often than the directors. Guys like Zanuck were the key auteurs of that era, with a few powerful directors also able to define themselves.

I got into a legendary argument with Drew Casper in his class on Spielberg when we went over MGM House Style as an influence. Casper attributed everything to Mayer while I took a position that Thalberg was crucial to many of the key decisions that defined the MGM house style of the thirties (and after his death). Stopped class for about ten minutes.

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The S&S has been a long, hard road for most of us I think. But it's pretty incredible to look back at what you did and didn't know about film before you started

Agreed, I'm a few movies shy of hitting 200 seen from this list, that's incredible considering I was at around 60 seen when I started.
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I stand by this viewpoint always - if the artist is taking the time to outwardly express themselves, even publically present their work, then they are trying to reach the audience and shouldn't hide behind the "I'm doing what I want, who needs them, I won't change for anyone" schtick.

Glad I wasn't the only one thinking that. BTW, where the hell have I been?
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Hello guys,


I've been aware of this "Sight & Sound" poll ever since it was made - in fact, I remember looking over the list while I was on a plane bound for London (to attend an Erich von Stroheim and Kon Ichikawa retrospective held at the National Film Theatre) in September 2002 - and I've also occasionally glanced over this thread. However, it's only now that I've been asked by a fellow HTFer - who is toying with the idea of embarking on it himself - to join in this "clan".

Anyway, my question is: does someone who only has about 72 titles (out of the original 340) left to watch qualify to take part in it? The thing is that I've watched many of these before I ever knew they'd be included in this poll so I was wondering if that matches the set criteria (which I assume do exist) or not.

Secondly, why are several films included in the "All Films Voted For" section on the offical webpage of this poll missing from the main list found on Page 1 of this thread? I apologize if this question has already been answered within the 98 pages of this thread but I'd appreciate a clarification.

Maybe it's somewhat silly to embark on this arduous task 4 years after the fact but, if that means that my HTF pal will follow suit and, hopefully, get acquainted with several cinematic jewels which have so far fallen beneath his radar, I'd be happy!
post #2936 of 3769

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Welcome, there are no joining requirements.

we all have seen different amounts of the films, some fewer than fifty some more than 300. You'll fit right in.

We don't include the all films voted for because it adds about another 500 films to the 300 film list.

So our minimum requirement for the page one list is at least two votes.

Some of us are focusing on the films that got at least four votes, which takes you through the top 130 films or so.

Adam
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#94 - The Passion of Joan of Arc (1928) -

Having very limited experience with silents, I feared I would be unable to "objectively" evaluate this for lack of proper context within which to frame the film. But this proved a lesser problem than I thought.

Standouts are Falconetti's legendary performance, which deserves all the accolades it gets. It is surprisingly nuanced for a film of that era. I particularly enjoy her occasional expressions of condescension stemming from her belief as the instrument of god.

Visually, the most impressive segment has to be the sequence where Joan contemplate her fate, before giving in to the tribunal's pressure. This sequence shows her looking at the some flowery bushes (life), followed by a low level shot of the ground where her grave is being dug, yet with the reassuring presence of a cross in the background... before a skulls lands in foreground of the picture, complete with worms wriggling in it's eye socket (the cross is till the background, but is physically and IMO, thematically dwarfed by the skull), as a grim reminder her impending death. Not the most subtle of symbolisms, but highly effective nonetheless. Otherwise, the film consists mostly a series of close ups, with very few establishing shots. Mise-en-scene is pretty non-existent, and spatial relationships between characters and things can be hard to gauge -- not that the need to do so presents itself very often in this close quarters, intimate tale. Still, I caught myself wondering if it was stylistic choice or simply the state of cinema at the time.

Finally, the editing of the last 10 minutes or so is so effective it need not to put within the context of the era to be appreciated. It works very well on a visceral level, even today.

So we certainly have here a finely realized film, certainly deserving of a place on this list, but is also one that I will actively avoid due to the thoroughly depressing subject matter.

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Re: Sight and Sound (2002) Greatest Films Club

Mario, I've added you.

~T
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Re: Sight and Sound (2002) Greatest Films Club

Quote (originally posted by Thi Them):

"Mario, I've added you.

~T"



Thanks, Thi! I won't be tackling the 70 "S & S" titles left for me to watch before November, though, since I've promised myself a month of horror viewing this October. I hope you don't mind...
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#95 - Fanny and Alexander (1982) -

For a movie called Fanny and Alexander, it seems to be all about Alexander... Actually, I am not really sure what it's about. My expectations of a world seen thru the children's eyes was proved wrong quite early on, as the narrative isn't focused enough. So I guess this is a family drama of sorts.

The film is certainly visually interesting. Most of it looks curiously pastel, and sets are painstakingly detailed. Rather than using filters to give a locale a distinctive look as a S. Soderbergh would do for instance, color uniformity is an attribute of the set proper and the characters who move within it. From the lush, deep and dark reds of the family home to the cold austere white of the Bishop's and or yellow/greenish tone of what I assume is the family's summer home, the color composition never ceases to be impressive, a marvel of art direction as well as photography.

But as should be clear by now, form alone does not a good movie make in my book. Many themes float in and out of the picture, but nothing I could really latch onto consistently. The story takes some bizarre turns, but never rises beyond the mildly interesting. If there is a lesson/insight in that rambling final monologue by a drunk major character, I didn't care enough at that point to get it.

So... what's the deal here folks?


#96 - Throne of Blood (1957) -

Yet another fine Kurosawa - yawn . Seriously, has this guy ever made a bad movie? Throne of Blood is a tight, relatively brisk, efficient film. Mifune is in top form, and Kurosawa usual bag of tricks is in full display. The fantasy element was unexpected and very welcome. But I do think the script is too tight for it's own good. I realize this is a strange criticism considering this list has no shortage of long, plodding, self-indulgent works (see above ), but I can't help but fell that the story would have had a stronger emotional resonance had it been given some room to breathe, like Ran. As it is, a fine crafted film, but not quite the masterpiece.

There are two commentaries on this disk, one by the familiar Donald Richie, the other by some guy I've never seen before on a Kurosawa disk, any preference?

Kurosawa tally (not everything is on this list)

The Hidden Fortress
High and Low :
Red Beard
Ran (as excellent as it is depressing)
Rashomon (need a second viewing)
Sanjuro (tentative, don't really remember)
Seven Samurai (in my top something)
Throne of Blood
Yojimbo (good not great)

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