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post #271 of 541
1/11/07 at 4:29pm

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Oscar winning score? It should have won, but it lost to "Tom Jones." The only Oscar MAD WORLD won was the very first Oscar given for sound effects editing.
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post #272 of 541
1/11/07 at 5:52pm

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Yup your right ,, I should have said 'nominated score'...
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post #273 of 541
1/11/07 at 5:55pm

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I would like to add that in addition to writing a few letters to MGM about the restoration I sent a letter to The Film Foundation with a donation to continue the work many films that are in trouble. http://www.film-foundation.org
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post #274 of 541
1/11/07 at 6:20pm

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Just came to my attention tonight about Spencer Tracys screen role name in IAMMMMW.., ...... is 'T.G.' or 'C.G.' 'Culpeper' or 'Culpepper' ?????

IMDB has all these examples.. Don't want to bring out the DVD at this point as I don't think there is any end credits and the opening credits would only have the actors names and not roles.
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post #275 of 541
1/12/07 at 3:59pm

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okay I ran the movie to the Hat tree, and it is T.G. Culpeper..

I'll Have to send IMDB a memo..
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post #276 of 541
1/25/07 at 8:57am

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I've finally seen the "lost footage" for this film and I have to say it's a disappointment. Just trims, basically. I was hoping for some new sequences or something.

My question is about the differences between the versions. By borrowing, buying and recording off the air, I now have four versions:

1. VHS release (two tapes)
2. TCM version
3. DVD with one hour of extra scenes
4. DVD with movie only


My question: is there any difference between 1 and 2, and between the main feature on 3 and 4?

My friend says the VHS has the most footage, but it seems to be the same as the TCM version to me.

Anyone know?

Thanks,

Mark
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post #277 of 541
1/25/07 at 9:18am

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there has only been one dvd release.
why do you have two.

are you saying you made your own dvd
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post #278 of 541
1/25/07 at 9:21am

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Originally Posted by TonyD
there has only been one dvd release.
why do you have two.

are you saying you made your own dvd

This was one of the DVD's that MGM "downgraded". It was originally a flipper with the movie on one side and most of the extras on the other. Later, they removed the extras side to cut costs and reissued it. So the disc out there now is basically bare-bones. I'm sure the movie is the same on both discs.
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post #279 of 541
1/25/07 at 9:28am

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I have the barebones version. It even retained the same menu, which instructed viewers to flip the disc for special features. If only I had picked this up @ the same time as Terminator: SE and Fiddler on the Roof: SE.
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post #280 of 541
1/25/07 at 9:29am

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Ah, you must watched TCM on Saturday,, as I did too, and was very very surprised to see that they ran the 'Laser disc ' restored version., Overture/intermission/entre act and Exit music as well as the multitude of 'film snippets' that were in most part a big disappointment, The final edit
(161 min) by Kramer who took those scenes out did so because I believe they just didn't work. Plus the deleted scenes were a bit darker that the regular film was., as the 'processing' was not done in the same realm as the edited 161 min film was.

To your question.. For VHS there were a total of three versions .
The first VHS release around 1981 was two tapes and a total of 154 minutes,(non letterbox too.. yuch) ( no overture or entre act or exit ) .
The second two tape VHS tape was released around 1991 (as well as the 3 disc double sided laser discs were) and they were all the 188 min. letterbox version .
Then the one VHS tape of IAMMMMW was also released with running time of 161 minutes ( release date?/ letterbox or not?? can't remember that version) .
-,which is what the wide screen DVD is of today and that disc was released Sept 2001.
The DVD of course also has the 70 min featurette on side two.

The bare bones rereleased DVD came out 2003 ., and that disc is always in a bin basket somewhere for $6.99 .
The 2001 dvd is OOP .
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post #281 of 541
1/25/07 at 11:18am

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Originally Posted by widescreenforever
Ah, you must watched TCM on Saturday,, as I did too, and was very very surprised to see that they ran the 'Laser disc ' restored version., Overture/intermission/entre act and Exit music as well as the multitude of 'film snippets' that were in most part a big disappointment, The final edit (161 min) by Kramer who took those scenes out did so because I believe they just didn't work. Plus the deleted scenes were a bit darker that the regular film was., as the 'processing' was not done in the same realm as the edited 161 min film was....
...to be fair, I don't believe Kramer took those scenes out per se. Besides not editorially matching the real roadshow version, the extended laserdisc version uses a lot of B-roll footage, which means that it is not even using what Kramer thought were the best takes.

Regards,
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post #282 of 541
1/25/07 at 12:06pm

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Those B roll footage, was that the film stock they found in an old warehouse in New York or New Jersey back in 1989??
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post #283 of 541
1/25/07 at 5:26pm

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Originally Posted by JeffMc
This was one of the DVD's that MGM "downgraded". It was originally a flipper with the movie on one side and most of the extras on the other. Later, they removed the extras side to cut costs and reissued it. So the disc out there now is basically bare-bones. I'm sure the movie is the same on both discs.


ah yes.

you know i never opened my copy just bought it to help a possible special ed
down the rd.

ijust watch the laser with many scenes edited back in.
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post #284 of 541
1/26/07 at 11:43am

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Originally Posted by widescreenforever
Those B roll footage, was that the film stock they found in an old warehouse in New York or New Jersey back in 1989??

It's written on the Chapter sheet inside laserdisc box. Joshua Bermen located the extra footage on a pallet in a NJ warehouse marked to be destroyed. Also prior to film beginning on the Laserdisc there's a 30 sec. intro with a static artshot of the movie poster, a voiceover reiterates about the extra film footage discovered and now edited into the Laserdisc version you are about to view.
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post #285 of 541
1/26/07 at 1:39pm

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Originally Posted by Paul_Nyman
It's written on the Chapter sheet inside laserdisc box. Joshua Bermen located the extra footage on a pallet in a NJ warehouse marked to be destroyed.

I just thought I should step in here for a quick moment to make a quick correction. I'm not sure who started all this talk about the extra footage being located in "New Jersey," but that absolutely inaccurate. Additionally, there is no such statement written on the LD insert sheet.

Josh located the footage in a Southern California-area warehouse in 1989, mixed in among many hundreds of mostly-unmarked boxes of films which were being rescued from imminent destruction. Maybe this is but a minor detail, yet I believe it should be a correct detail just the same — NJ is a big difference from Southern CA. Just as an FYI, I can absolutely verify this fact since, 1) Josh and I have been close friends for nearly 30 years (since our early teens), and 2) I was there at the time the footage rescue was going on. It was a thrilling moment for Josh when he discovered that the long-missing footage for his all-time favorite movie was among the rescued material!

For those who are interested, the LD insert specifically states the following:

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NOTES ON RESTORATION OF IT'S A MAD, MAD, MAD, MAD WORLD

The roadshow version of It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World has been lost since it was re-cut for general release in 1964. In the summer of 1990 we received a call from Mr. Paul Scrabo, an editor with NBC in New York, who referred us to Mr. Joshua Berman, who had rescued approximately 20 of the 30 minutes of missing footage from a warehouse slated for destruction.

To begin the restoration process, the 70mm trims were sorted, catalogued, assembled onto 5 large reels and sent out for rejuvenation. The best copy of each trim was then mastered to digital videotape. At the same time, a magnetic copy of the 6-track stereo audio was recorded and re-mixed into the 2-track Dolby Surround format. This proved to be the most difficult task in the entire restoration process and resulted in tedious hours of filling ambience holes and matching lost pieces of dialogue.

Also included in this disc is our special documentary presentation of "Something a Little Less Serious," which contains new interviews with cast and crew members discussing anecdotes and sharing their experiences working on It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.

And dems de facts!

Regards to all!
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post #286 of 541
1/26/07 at 4:00pm

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Regardless of what one thinks of the extra material, the LD far outshines the dvd in other ways - the dvd is misframed, and has a screwed up title sequence.
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post #287 of 541
1/26/07 at 4:29pm

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I'm so glad to find this discussion! no bigger fan of IAMMMMW than here.
I've seen the latest 70mm print a few times, at Cineramadome and I just travelled to San Francisco last Aug. to see the 70mm on a Flat screen. I must say I prefer it on a FLAT screen. I have noticed the print flaws.

I just sent MGM a letter requesting the restrtion, and possible Blu-ray release. I am disappointed in the current DVD.
The biggest problem to me is the aspect ratio. The current DVD is closer to 2.3 to 1, thus some heads are chopped off in that wonderful scene when they uncover the treasure. That really bugs me!

I want to see this restored, in glorious 2.76:1 and flat on a Blu-ray disc!!!

pleeaasse
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post #288 of 541
1/26/07 at 4:47pm

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Originally Posted by RSmith
I am disappointed in the current DVD.
The biggest problem to me is the aspect ratio. The current DVD is closer to 2.3 to 1, thus some heads are chopped off in that wonderful scene when they uncover the treasure. That really bugs me!

I want to see this restored, in glorious 2.76:1 and flat on a Blu-ray disc!!!

pleeaasse

When you say 'current DVD' , do you mean the no-frills October 2003 release? or the special edition with 61 min. featurette of the Sept 2001 release ??

I can't seem to nail this down thru the Internet and want to know more about this second re release ..
The aspect ratio should be and is 2:55.1 Ultra Panavision and not 2:35.1 Panavision .

(and I don't necessarily want a Blu-ray release as I feel the so so restoration at this point of the game would be magnified immensely thru Hi-Def rather than current DVD18 layer compression.)
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post #289 of 541
1/26/07 at 5:00pm

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Originally Posted by widescreenforever
When you say 'current DVD' , do you mean the no-frills October 2003 release? or the special edition with 61 min. featurette of the Sept 2001 release ??

I can't seem to nail this down thru the Internet and want to know more about this second re release ..
The aspect ratio should be and is 2:55.1 Ultra Panavision and not 2:35.1 Panavision
I have the no-frills Oct 2003 release and the long VHS versions.
None of these are like seeing the 70mm print in the theatre!

Ultra Panavision should be seen in full 2.76:1.!
and with high-def the image will fill a large HDtv with enough detail to enjoy it in 2.76:1
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post #290 of 541
1/26/07 at 7:27pm

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Originally Posted by

Quote:
Originally Posted by widescreenforever
Those B roll footage, was that the film stock they found in an old warehouse in New York or New Jersey back in 1989??

[Paul_Nyman
It's written on the Chapter sheet inside laserdisc box. Joshua Bermen located the extra footage on a pallet in a NJ warehouse marked to be destroyed. Also prior to film beginning on the Laserdisc there's a 30 sec. intro with a static artshot of the movie poster, a voiceover reiterates about the extra film footage discovered and now edited into the Laserdisc version you are about to view.

wow.
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post #291 of 541
1/26/07 at 8:40pm

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Originally Posted by RSmith
Ultra Panavision should be seen in full 2.76:1.!
Actually, while the full UP frame is 2.76:1, the preferred AR is something closer to 2.55:1. See here: http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/lbx2.htm
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post #292 of 541
1/26/07 at 9:12pm

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Mad World is a movie that takes full advantage of the 2.76:1 apect. Whatever the DVD is, it chops off some important information from the original, including actors faces.

I have an illustration I sent to MGM, I'll post later.
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post #293 of 541
1/27/07 at 7:58am

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Sorry! I didn't have my Laserdisc boxset on me when I posted that earlier in the week. Let's all hope MGM will look into the full restoration one of these days. I will be second in line to pickup a hopeful Hi-Def edition of IAMMMMW!
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post #294 of 541
1/27/07 at 10:52am

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yes hopefully soon we wont need to keep asking "any word yet?"
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post #295 of 541
1/27/07 at 10:53am

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To be clear...

The laserdisc of MW is not representative of any real version of the film, and contains outtakes and trims never part of any completed product. The roadshow version of the film should not be considered / reviewed / discussed with this as a basis.

RAH
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post #296 of 541
1/27/07 at 11:43am

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I agree, RAH. Would you still like to see a "SmileBox" transfer of the film, or would you prefer the flat (meaning no rectification applied)?
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post #297 of 541
1/27/07 at 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by JeffMc
This was one of the DVD's that MGM "downgraded". It was originally a flipper with the movie on one side and most of the extras on the other. Later, they removed the extras side to cut costs and reissued it. So the disc out there now is basically bare-bones. I'm sure the movie is the same on both discs.

The Greatest Story Ever Told was another two disc dvd set that had the second disc eliminated. This set is also out of print. I found a month ago at Fry's Electronics and bought it to add to my collection.

Are there any others like It's a Mad, Mad, Mad World and The Greatest Story Ever Told that were downgraded?
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post #298 of 541
1/27/07 at 2:13pm

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"Smilebox" is an interesting means of presentation for home video, and would make a pleasant addition as a second disc.

RAH
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post #299 of 541
1/27/07 at 2:40pm

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Then, would the movie be in 2.76:1 widescreen and the "Smilebox" would be in addition to that?
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post #300 of 541
1/27/07 at 3:46pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
"Smilebox" is an interesting means of presentation for home video, and would make a pleasant addition as a second disc.

RAH

Well, that would show you how it appeared in a Cinerama theatre. But, only the three-strip films are true Cinerama and should be shown in the Smilebox process on DVD.
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