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Robert Crawford said:
You do realize this wasn't film in 4K or is remastered in 4K? IMO, it's marketing deception because if you're a certain number of feet away you won't be able to see much of a difference from the previous BD release.

And it won't be in 3D. I'm not even a fan of 3D, but I still feel that if a film was released in 3D theatrically, there should at least be an option to see it that way on video, especially with what's supposed to be a premium format.
 

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I wonder how much the studios are going to support 3D on the 4k format given its lackluster acceptance in the U.S.


And there's something that's different about eyewear when it comes to 4k 3D....am I right?
 

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There is no 4K standard for 3D yet. Anything that's been released in 3D has been 2K.
 

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Worth said:
There is no 4K standard for 3D yet. Anything that's been released in 3D has been 2K.

Yes, but let's talk hypothetically then for a moment...


If I understand correctly, with 4k 3D there should be no more need for active display glasses? I am trying to think if that is what I had previously heard.
 

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Ronald Epstein said:
Yes, but let's talk hypothetically then for a moment...


If I understand correctly, with 4k 3D there should be no more need for active display glasses? I am trying to think if that is what I had previously heard.
I assume the context is that glasses-free 3D (auto-stereographic?) cuts the horizontal resolution in half, so with a 4k display you can still have 1080p of better effective resolution in 3D.
 

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Robert Crawford said:
You do realize this wasn't film in 4K or is remastered in 4K? IMO, it's marketing deception because if you're a certain number of feet away you won't be able to see much of a difference from the previous BD release.
I'm ok with that, same as I'm ok with people buying 'Mastered in 4K' blus. I'm gonna buy The Martian anyway might as well see for myself how it looks in 4K and decide then if it's a gimmick or not

Bummed no 3D, oh well...
 

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Ronald Epstein said:
Yes, but let's talk hypothetically then for a moment...


If I understand correctly, with 4k 3D there should be no more need for active display glasses? I am trying to think if that is what I had previously heard.

For 1080p 3D content on 4k displays, active glasses are no longer necessary.


Since passive technology halves the resolution, you're still seeing 1080 lines of vertical resolution on a passive 3-D 4k display instead of the 540 vertical lines on a passive 3-D 1080p set.


That's if the passive 3-D has been implemented correctly on a 4k display. LG does it correctly. I can't say for sure what other manufacturers do.
 

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I figure I should add my experience so far. I got the upgrade urge a while back and after some careful research I decided on the Panasonic top of the line 4k 65" tv. Not only did it fulfill part of the new color spec (I think upwards of 81% on the 65" model) but had 3D and was supposed to be the closest thing to a plasma picture you could get. This tv was going to replace my 58" Panny S1.


To make a long story short I ended up returning the 4k tv. I couldn't get the picture to look nearly as good as my current tv, the 7" of extra screen wasn't really noticeable, and overall it wasn't even a side-grade but full on downgrade to what I had. I tried different calibration settings and tweaked it for days but was still really disappointed with it. Frankly I am a little shocked that a $3000 plus tv couldn't compete with one from what, 8 years ago now (or more).


Now I'm going to wait another year or two and hope that things improve. Maybe OLED will come down in price enough to become affordable and they can improve on things. I fear I may be waiting a long time before I can afford a 70" 4K display that looks great and supports HDR and all the other new features that should make a big difference in picture quality.


I won't even get into the discussion of 4k discs and all the games the studio's are playing to get around the fact that most of the stuff they are releasing aren't true 4k. It's a shame their isn't more oversight on what they can and can't get away with.
 

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Are y'all saying existing 3D BD format can make use of new 4K displays to yield passive 3D 1080p playback w/out glasses (or perhaps w/ cheap, lightweight, passive glasses like currently used in theaters)?

IF so, that would probably help convince more of us -- me anyway -- sooner than later.

_Man_
 

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ManW_TheUncool said:
Are y'all saying existing 3D BD format can make use of new 4K displays to yield passive 3D 1080p playback w/out glasses (or perhaps w/ cheap, lightweight, passive glasses like currently used in theaters)?

Not without glasses, but with cheap, lightweight glasses, yes. Whether or not the exact glasses from the theater works depends on what kind of polarization the theater and TV is using, but at least some people have reported being able to use RealD glasses for 3D viewing on their passive 3D sets.
 

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Are there not great TV sales to be had around Super Bowl time? Traditionally there has been, but I haven't heard anything yet and the sales are most likely relegated to low and mid range sets. Not high end televisions like say 4K OLED, or a Sony flagship LED model.
 

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Yes, you will be able to find good deals on 2015 models as 2016 ones start coming off the boats. Most of the deals wont support any kind of HDR which won't matter to non enthusiasts, but enthusiasts are going to have to make sure exactly what the 2015 are missing.
 

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Not without glasses, but with cheap, lightweight glasses, yes. Whether or not the exact glasses from the theater works depends on what kind of polarization the theater and TV is using, but at least some people have reported being able to use RealD glasses for 3D viewing on their passive 3D sets.
I find my current active Samsung glasses very light and very comfortable. The only advantage the passive glasses would have is no battery. I'd rather have the 3D at full 4K resolution than go passive, but I guess that's me. I presume there's no choice with the 4K sets, they are passive only?
 

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My suggestion:


Do as I did. Bought a Samsung 4K set with an upgradable "One Connect" box, a way of future-proofing your purchase.


Bought my set last year (65") and with the purchase of the "One Connect" box a couple of weeks ago I now have HDR in my set.


I sit around 6' from the screen and I DO see a difference !


One purchase which although expensive I have yet to regret.
What does a One Connect box do? How does it future proof the TV?
 

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What does a One Connect box do? How does it future proof the TV?

Basically it separates the "Display" portion of the set from the "Brains" (Computer) portion of the set. My set was bought in mid 2014 and is Samsung's 65inch 4K UHD set (65HU9000). It is a 10 bit display. The display connects via a special cable to the "One Connect" box which houses the HDMI, various other inputs and also the computer chip (in my case a Quad-core chip). The upgrade box I bought last year gave my set HDR capabilities and upgraded the chip to an Octa-core one. (Basically it upgraded it to a 2015 model). When I bought the set in 2014 it was expensive (~ $5,000), but spending ~ $300 for the upgrade box gave me a 2015 set. That's what Samsung calls "future-proofing".

.... and I can see the difference in picture quality!
 

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This comes under the heading of "I can't believe I did that", but I bought a Vizio M70-C3 that was delivered last Monday. I have enjoyed my Pioneer 64" CRT rear projection set for 11 or 12 years, and have been waiting on a digital technology that I really liked. I'm convinced that OLED will satisfy me, but I may not live long enough for the price to get down to something I'm willing to pay. So I decided to get rid of the huge box before it died and move on.

I understand that I'm not likely to see any 4K content for quite some time. My 12 mbs internet connection isn't fast enough to stream it, and that's as fast as I can get where I live. My best bet will be DirecTV, and I'm sure they will charge more for it than I'm willing to pay. So I may be crazy to pay a little more for 4K now, but this "interim" set may be around for quite some time. Once they got under $2K, I decided to move. They were marked down at Sam's Club and I did a price match with Best Buy.

I am enjoying the improved resolution, but as I expected, I miss the "soft" quality of the CRT. And while motion blur is not a big problem with this set, I have noticed a little while watching football and basketball. I think I will come to like it a lot better once I spend some time doing a little calibration work.

Now I'm having to rethink my whole setup. That's what has brought me back here. I haven't been around HTF much since I quit buying DVDs several years ago. I'm not ready to do a wholesale upgrade, but I'm going to have to upgrade my old Pronto that I love to a Harmony remote, and I may find myself opting for a new receiver that will switch HDMI.

It has been nice reading posts from Ron and Crawdaddy and a few others I met at the first LA meet in 2000. I'll have to hang out here more and Facebook less.
 

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Basically it separates the "Display" portion of the set from the "Brains" (Computer) portion of the set. My set was bought in mid 2014 and is Samsung's 65inch 4K UHD set (65HU9000). It is a 10 bit display. The display connects via a special cable to the "One Connect" box which houses the HDMI, various other inputs and also the computer chip (in my case a Quad-core chip). The upgrade box I bought last year gave my set HDR capabilities and upgraded the chip to an Octa-core one. (Basically it upgraded it to a 2015 model). When I bought the set in 2014 it was expensive (~ $5,000), but spending ~ $300 for the upgrade box gave me a 2015 set. That's what Samsung calls "future-proofing".

.... and I can see the difference in picture quality!

Let's not give it tooo much credit doc. It made your set HDR compatible from a software perspective but it didn't magically make your set capable of 1000 nits of brightness per the recommendation of the new HDR specs or change the physical capability of your lighting hardware to really optimize for bright highlights and subtle shades of deep blacks based on zones on screen. So yes, you are getting some benefit of HDR but not the full monty =)
 

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This comes under the heading of "I can't believe I did that", but I bought a Vizio M70-C3 that was delivered last Monday. I have enjoyed my Pioneer 64" CRT rear projection set for 11 or 12 years, and have been waiting on a digital technology that I really liked. I'm convinced that OLED will satisfy me, but I may not live long enough for the price to get down to something I'm willing to pay. So I decided to get rid of the huge box before it died and move on.

I understand that I'm not likely to see any 4K content for quite some time. My 12 mbs internet connection isn't fast enough to stream it, and that's as fast as I can get where I live. My best bet will be DirecTV, and I'm sure they will charge more for it than I'm willing to pay. So I may be crazy to pay a little more for 4K now, but this "interim" set may be around for quite some time. Once they got under $2K, I decided to move. They were marked down at Sam's Club and I did a price match with Best Buy.

I am enjoying the improved resolution, but as I expected, I miss the "soft" quality of the CRT. And while motion blur is not a big problem with this set, I have noticed a little while watching football and basketball. I think I will come to like it a lot better once I spend some time doing a little calibration work.

Now I'm having to rethink my whole setup. That's what has brought me back here. I haven't been around HTF much since I quit buying DVDs several years ago. I'm not ready to do a wholesale upgrade, but I'm going to have to upgrade my old Pronto that I love to a Harmony remote, and I may find myself opting for a new receiver that will switch HDMI.

It has been nice reading posts from Ron and Crawdaddy and a few others I met at the first LA meet in 2000. I'll have to hang out here more and Facebook less.
Dick,

How you're doing, you still live in South Carolina I believe?
 

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Still in SC, Crawdaddy, but a lot has changed since the LA meet. I went back to school part time at U of SC later that year, and 10 years later got a degree in Media Arts with a Theatre minor. Had more than enough hours for a major in Theatre, but not some required courses that I didn't want to take. Still acting in an occasional play, but roles are limited for old geezers. Also living alone now. My wife, who was at the meet with me, finally had enough and sent me and my HT gear and computers packing. We have been separated for 10 years now.

I still remember quite an exciting car ride with you driving. I have been tempted to go to one of the LA meets and really wanted to go to the one in Vegas, but there was always a conflict.

Nice to hear from you.
 

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