Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (1 Viewer)

Nolan's Batman Begins and the trilogy was just off the charts good. Was for the first time a comic book hero that was earthy and driven. Gritty and real and nolan had a tremendous story. And the actors involved? Embarrassingly good. Could have EASILY been campy and was the exact opposite. Which made it critically and fan successful.


they were the first of their kind and truthfully MOS was not good. Superman vs Batman seems just like a scene chewing trailer. I realize I am being probably overly harsh but it feels and looks superficial. I know...I know...just a trailer. Thats just what I see so far & from Synder in the past. More style rather than substance.

I'm just familiar enough with comic books to know that Batman vs. Superman has a long history. But I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around the idea that two good guys are fighting each other.


And that's really tempering any excitement I might have for this film.


I think we deserved at least one more Superman only (one superhero) movie before we dipped into these types of stories.


Not saying I won't go see it. I LOVED 'Man of Steal'. But I'm just not feeling all that excited about the film.


Mark

I think Perry White's line in one of the trailers sums up my feelings pretty well: "No one cares about Clark Kent taking on the Batman."

I see Thomas and Martha Wayne are in this film. Are they re-hashing Batman's origins yet again?

No one cares about Clark Kent the reporter in the context of writing a news column/blog. A lot of us care about Superman the superhero taking on the Batman, though.

I don't get the hesitancy to this concept - superhero fights are a staple of the comics and have been for decades. Are people that afraid to go beyond their comfort zone with superhero films?

As for the Wayne murders, clearly they are in the film in some form. There have been rumors of multiple flashbacks for Bruce Wayne / Batman, and this is likely one of them (another being the Joker's murder of the Jason Todd Robin). The success of it is wholly dependent on how its incorporated into the story.

In the trailers we see Wayne comforting a young girl during the Metropolis destruction. I wouldnt be surprised to see this being a trigger for his own memories of his early life tragedy.

I think it'll play similarly to how Clark's flashbacks were incorporated into Man of Steel.

Brandon Conway said:

No one cares about Clark Kent the reporter in the context of writing a news column/blog. A lot of us care about Superman the superhero taking on the Batman, though.

I don't get the hesitancy to this concept - superhero fights are a staple of the comics and have been for decades. Are people that afraid to go beyond their comfort zone with superhero films?

As for the Wayne murders, clearly they are in the film in some form. There have been rumors of multiple flashbacks for Bruce Wayne / Batman, and this is likely one of them (another being the Joker's murder of the Jason Todd Robin). The success of it is wholly dependent on how its incorporated into the story.

In the trailers we see Wayne comforting a young girl during the Metropolis destruction. I wouldnt be surprised to see this being a trigger for his own memories of his early life tragedy.

I think it'll play similarly to how Clark's flashbacks were incorporated into Man of Steel.

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For me, it's not about comfort zone. I've never liked the concept of Superman existing in the same universe as other superheroes, or Batman existing in a world with other superheroes. I don't deny that it's a part of the comics universe, but I don't really read a lot of comics, so it's just about what appeals to me or doesn't.


To me, a world with Superman doesn't need Batman. Superman can do everything. And to my mind as well, the point of Superman is that he's the ideal perfect person that we strive to be but never can. He always does the right thing. So I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to see him portrayed as a bad guy. I'm not saying that this movie is doing that - but I loathe "The Dark Knight Returns" comic for this (and other) reasons.


I also don't like that it appears this version of Batman is skipping over after many of the milestones in the Batman story have already passed. I can understand not doing a full blown origin story again, but to skip over Dick Grayson as Robin as well as Jason Todd? Huge chunks of potential storylines that they've just thrown away and now can never use. I didn't like how they did basically the same thing with Lois and Clark in "Man of Steel" - it's such a huge part of the comics that Lois has a crush on Superman, but doesn't notice Clark Kent, and all of the great stories and comedy that comes from that - and by having Lois know exactly who he is, these movies can never, ever portray that hugely important part of the Superman mythology.


It seems like they've thrown away a lot of important parts of both Batman and Superman simply for the sake of giving us a Dark Knight Returns inspired comic right away.

And you're welcome to your view. But those incarnations of Superman and Batman are well in the past. The fans of the modern 21st century versions of these characters deserve to see them up on the big screen, too. The golden and silver ages of comics have had their chance.

But it seems they desperately want to do The Dark Knight Returns, which is what, 30 years old now? So that doesn't strike me as "modern" either.

Ultimately they're making the movie they're making, and it seems to be based on portrayals of Batman and Superman I don't enjoy. I'm still planning on seeing the movie and giving it a chance, and I hope to enjoy it. I've been wrong before

I really liked Christopher Nolan's take on Batman and Bryan Singer's on Superman. As a fan of those recent movies, it's a little disappointing to be getting new actors and reboots instead of continuing with what was working just fine for me. But all things must pass, etc.

They're using some broad ideas from TDKR, but its more of a jumping off point than an adaptation. Primarily because of where the characters are at the point of the film vs. that particular comic.

I think the more modern angles will become more evident when we see Justice League. All things point to them moving into Darkseid and the fantastical alien world of the comics. So Superman is much less concerned with human crime like bank robberies, et al, and even the Batman has to factor in the supernatural. If anything, the early 2000s Justice League and Justice League Unlimited animated shows are probably closest to the idea of what the DCEU is about to become, in an overall sense.

I recently watched the TV special on the DC films, and while there is some good-looking footage in there, I was left feeling doubtful about the state of the DC films. Obviously, it was produced as a puff piece, but it seems like everything that can be done to appeal to the lowest common denominator is being done. For example, we all know the concerns the studio had about making a Wonder Woman movie (boys won't go see it, girls don't flock to action movies, etc. - premises that are all wrong IMO), and in the show, Geoff Johns makes a point of saying "Woman Woman is someone who has spent her whole life preparing for WAR." Really, does everything have to be about war? Am I the only one tired of war stories and war allegories in these movies? Is there no other conflict we can use these characters to examine?


Parts of the Suicide Squad preview look good, very dark comedy in there, but a lot of it just looks like sadism to me. My real fear is that there is no vision, no oversight to these films; just corporate directives.


I hope there is more to these movies than fistfights, crumbling buildings, and bad guys who want to make people hurt "really bad."

Sam Favate said:

...Geoff Johns makes a point of saying "Woman Woman is someone who has spent her whole life preparing for WAR." Really, does everything have to be about war? Am I the only one tired of war stories and war allegories in these movies? Is there no other conflict we can use these characters to examine?

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I think you're hitting on what's good about comic books and bad about comic book movies. Many comic book movies feel that they must have the stakes be as high as possible (war is about as important and dire as something can be) because there's only one movie every couple of years featuring that particular character and so the story and its events have to be IMPORTANT but comic books can sit back and have a smaller story because there's a new issue every month.

I have to agree with Sam to some degree. Most of the comic book films released in the past decade have stories that are too focused on the bad guys causing mass destruction - blowing stuff up real good and killing lots of innocent people. Filmmakers are probably channeling 9/11 to a large degree. The constant apocalyptic tunnel vision has become very tiring. This is one of the reasons that Ant-Man is my favorite Marvel film to date. It's a smaller story with more focus on character that manages to be funny, thrilling, smart, and entertaining without destroying the planet.

The same apocalyptic thinking that ruined many Star Trek and James Bond outings.

Whatever one's thoughts on the new movie, this is brilliant:

He's not wrong. Its just that most people only know the character via the Donner films these days. MOS is very grounded in the comics history of the character.

Brandon Conway said:

He's not wrong. Its just that most people only know the character via the Donner films these days. MOS is very grounded in the comics history of the character.

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Not the comics from 40-50 years ago.

Because the comics of three generations ago are all the rage these days....

Imagine if Batman had been stuck in the 1950s for all these years in his movies. Yuck.

Also, Golden Age Supes was not without his questionable morals.[emoji14]
http://www.cracked.com/article_20069_5-classic-superman-comics-that-prove-he-used-to-be-dick.html

Brandon Conway said:

Because the comics of three generations ago are all the rage these days....

Imagine if Batman had been stuck in the 1950s for all these years in his movies. Yuck.

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I agree that Zach Snyder didn't change Superman or do anything really radical with the character but I think there's a happier medium to be found between the antiquated goody good Superman of yesteryear and the dark story that Snyder used for Man Of Steel.

Give them a couple movies to evolve the character into that. Judging the character on his first day on the job is a bit simplistic. Having him fully formed from the word go is a bit dull, IMO. The Donner Superman had to deal with thieves and bank robbers his first day; The Snyder one had to prevent the annihilation of 7 billion people.