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In case you are interested in knowing what the 4K UHD disks source is here is the list. I have to agree with some of the concern that these 4K UHD disks are coming from 2K source.

-- Digital Intermediate (4K) (master format) --
Sicario
The Last Witch Hunter
The Expendables 3
Salt
Maze Runner
The Amazing Spider-man 2
Chappie
Hancock

-- Digital Intermediate (2K) (master format) --
The 5th Wave
The Martian (although 6K RAW, they may redo the intermediate for the 4k release?)
Fantastic Four
Kingsman: The Secret Service
Hitman: Agent 47
X-Men: Days of Future Past
Life of Pi
Exodus: Gods and Kings (5K Raw, they may redo the intermediate for the 4k release?)
Maze Runner: The Scorch Trials
Wild

Ender’s Game (5K Raw, they may redo the intermediate for the 4k release?)
 

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The Martian has been confirmed as being graded again for the UHD release and that Fox will go back to the original camera files for that.
I have not read the same for Exodus.

So The Martian could be considered at least a partial 4k release which imo is the way to go for other movies, too until 4k CGI is more widespread. Just upscale the lower rez CGI to 4k and output the non CGI parts of the movie at 4k, too without any downconversion to 2k.
 

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Warner 4k titles up for preorder....

The link below will take you directly to the product on Amazon. If you are using an adblocker you will not see link.


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Brooklyn 4k available for Preorder

The link below will take you directly to the product on Amazon. If you are using an adblocker you will not see link.

 
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Wow, $45 for Warner UHD movies?! That's too steep. Fortunately Fox is doing it right, I'll get their movies instead.
 

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Wow, $45 for Warner UHD movies?! That's too steep. Fortunately Fox is doing it right, I'll get their movies instead.
Yeah, there doesn't appear to be much uniformity in these 4K/UHD titles. You have Warner with about $45 MSRP while Fox has their titles at about $40 with Lionsgate at $43 and Sony at $36 for their catalog 4K/UHD titles. I want a little more uniformity with the studios regarding their 4K/UHD releases with the MSRP for new and catalog titles.

Another reason why I'm going to hang on the sidelines to see how this market place shakes itself out.
 

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A small hint to those who don't mind importing: try looking on amazon.ca. Some of the titles David Miller mentioned just above are going from US$15, almost all are less than US$24 (plus shipping). They can be hard to find, try searching with "4K blu-ray" or "4K", but not "UHD" :). Edit: actually, the Fox ones are usually a little more, I guess the first ones I saw were the cheaper ones. Still can't delete a post, still annoying...
 
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Thanks for the tip. Preordered Ender's Game, Salt, Amazing SM2, Chappie and Expendables 3. Five movies for $97 shipped. :)
 

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Well, Savage Pompas (1966) is getting released in Germany. No release date yet though. Probably not enough to wake anyone up, but it is an older movie that will be taken from a 4K master.

Sony has released quite a few of the older movies on it's download 4K service, so I expect they will be one of the first in that regard.

http://www.bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-n...-titeln-zum-start-der-ultra-hd-blu-ray-dabei#

Good find! I heard about the 4k scan but I am quite excited that this will get a UHD release as I have seen the faded 70mm print and it was very detailed.
If such an obscure title (same goes for the next one) can get a decent UHD release - which remains to be seen - then there is hope for other small titles getting a release, too.

Another release of a 70mm production will be Flying Clipper that was also released as Mediterranean Holiday by the Cinerama corporation. I take it they can work from the OCN for this one.
 

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It may be that European distributors will be more enthusiastic about releasing classic titles.

I doubt that the studios will license out any of their major titles at anything resembling a price that could be recouped from the tiny sales potential of UHD BD classics. Savage Pampas is an obscure and unpopular movie that probably cost next to nothing to license.
 

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The problem is if they don't add on HDR then the benefits are severely compromised.


HDR is only appropriate for newer movies that were graded with HDR in mind. I don't think we'll see it on the older films. If they do add it, then I hope there will be an option to turn it off so it could be seen the way it was originally seen. To me having a colorist regrade an older movie would be like colorizing it.

The benefits of solely a resolution upgrade are of course more limited. That's probably why the studios won't be trotting out any older films for a little while. They want to make a good first impression. But ironically most 4K TVs out there in homes don't have HDR anyway.
 

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I doubt that the studios will license out any of their major titles at anything resembling a price that could be recouped from the tiny sales potential of UHD BD classics. Savage Pampas is an obscure and unpopular movie that probably cost next to nothing to license.

If you want to believe most studio executives and 95% or your posts ;) the big majority of movies released more than a few years ago are unpopular for the general public plus nobody wants to buy physical discs anymore. Following that reasoning licensing them for a UHD physical disc release (by all accounts a niche within a niche) should cost next to nothing, too.
 

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HDR is only appropriate for newer movies that were graded with HDR in mind. I don't think we'll see it on the older films. If they do add it, then I hope there will be an option to turn it off so it could be seen the way it was originally seen. To me having a colorist regrade an older movie would be like colorizing it.

The benefits of solely a resolution upgrade are of course more limited. That's probably why the studios won't be trotting out any older films for a little while. They want to make a good first impression. But ironically most 4K TVs out there in homes don't have HDR anyway.
Which is why RAH has stated that this new video format won't be as beneficial to older catalog titles as it was for DVD and Blu-ray.
 

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If you want to believe most studio executives and 95% or your posts ;) the big majority of movies released more than a few years ago are unpopular for the general public plus nobody wants to buy physical discs anymore. Following that reasoning licensing them for a UHD physical disc release (by all accounts a niche within a niche) should cost next to nothing, too.

I expect that studios won't license out their main catalog titles for UHD BD for "next to nothing" because they can license them out to the competing streaming and download formats for much larger amounts. And I don't need to believe studio execs, our experiences with Blu-ray over the past few years show that classics on BD generally sell poorly (many true gems struggling to sell even 3,000 copies after several years), so I'm sure that classics on UHD BD will be an even tougher sell.

I totally support the move to the 4K UHD video standard, and I think HDR is a nice addition too. But "95% of my posts" are simply pointing out what I consider simple logic regarding the UHD BD disc format based on the facts at hand:

- physical disc sales are rapidly falling
- consumers have explicitly demonstrated that they value convenience over quality (>50% sales now digital, remaining <50% disc sales are 75% DVD)
- catalog titles generally sell poorly on disc
- HDR, as the big "Wow" factor for UHD, is apparently largely incompatible for classics

So I'm constantly amazed that any sane person would expect anything more than a handful of the big-name classics (e.g. Lawrence of Arabia) to be released on UHD BD. The bulk of catalog titles will be relegated to 4K streaming/download, and for most of us viewing on standard screen sizes below 100", upscaled Blu-rays will look just as good anyway.
 
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- physical disc sales are rapidly falling
- consumers have explicitly demonstrated that they value convenience over quality (>50% sales now digital, remaining <50% disc sales are 75% DVD)
- catalog titles generally sell poorly on disc
- HDR, as the big "Wow" factor for UHD, is apparently largely incompatible for classics

So I'm constantly amazed that any sane person would expect anything more than a handful of the big-name classics (e.g. Lawrence of Arabia) to be released on UHD BD. The bulk of catalog titles will be relegated to 4K streaming/download, and for most of us viewing on standard screen sizes below 100", upscaled Blu-rays will look just as good anyway.

I believe Digital HD is only 25%, and DVD has 67% of the remainder.
 
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