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I haven't yet received this disc, and I hope it looks good on my Panny plasma. I would suggest setting your monitor for 24 FPS. After I did this, DIAL M FOR MURDER actually finally became very watchable. Maybe that will work for this disc.
 

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Just for the record, Comin' at Ya! isn't the only 3D Blu-ray that looks like crap on my plasma and LCD systems. I can see ghosting on just about every classic, and current "real" 3D release that has any significant amount of forward projection. If I can see even the slightest ghosting on these titles, for me, it's a FAIL!. Perhaps that doesn't bother less picky viewers out there. But that's just the way I am.

I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that I'd see ghosting on any non DLP display technology using active glasses.They all have it. It's just a matter of degree, and what you'll tolerate.

I won't tolerate ghosting at all. That's why I chose DLP over any other option out there.

I'm sure that for 2D, other technology will surely blow away my Sharp 30k. But for 3D... No way!

I pretty much feel the same way. Which is why I bought my DLP projector (Optoma HD37) in November.

One film that improved dramatically was Dark Country (2009). The strong stereography combined with it's high-contrast neo-noir style produced so much crosstalk on my plasma, that I couldn't even enjoy it until I acquired the DLP projector.
 

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One film that improved dramatically was Dark Country (2009). The strong stereography combined with it's high-contrast neo-noir style produced so much crosstalk on my plasma, that I couldn't even enjoy it until I acquired the DLP projector.

Do you know, Dan, the last time I saw Ray Zone was at a screening of Dark Country at the Downtown Independent in L.A. Thomas Jane was there too, and it was a great pleasure to meet him. But during the screening, I leaned over and whispered to my girlfriend, "Hey, are you seeing any ghosting?" And she said, "Oh! Is that what you call that?"

The second feature that night was Inferno, and it was not "haunted" by this problem at all, har-dee-har-har! :)

After the show, someone offered the (seemingly plausible) explanation that the DCP we were watching had some deficiency. I still appreciated the movie and was very glad to hear some of Mr. Jane's remarks afterward. I for one would like to see further 3-D films from him.
 

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I've yet to read any of Ray Zone's books yet. I keep wanting to, but never get around to it.

Dark Country is a fun, pulpy, low-budget film with exceptionally nice 3-D for a modern film. Hopefully, Thomas Jane does receive more opportunities in the future.
 

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There is simply no ghosting issue with this disc. If you have ghosting, it is your hardware. I've watched it, twice. No ghosting. No a single instance of it.

Totally wrong.

I have two top-of-the line display units. 200 Blu-ray discs. This is the only disc that has given me this much of a problem. I even looked at other forums for complaints -- and there were quite a few -- before responding to this message. To solely blame the equipment is ludicrous. I understand it plays fine on "some" equipment (mainly DLP), but there is something wrong with what was done with the conversion -- whether it was something that could have been avoided or not.

I would definitely argue that it's the source material before even c[/QUOTE]
Did you check it on Passive 3D equipment? That's what I have. There are NO ghosting issues with this film. How could the source material have ghosting and my set not show any? There are many strange in your face moments that are not properly filmed, which make your eyes cross, but that is not ghosting.
 

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Totally wrong.

I have two top-of-the line display units. 200 Blu-ray discs. This is the only disc that has given me this much of a problem. I even looked at other forums for complaints -- and there were quite a few -- before responding to this message. To solely blame the equipment is ludicrous. I understand it plays fine on "some" equipment (mainly DLP), but there is something wrong with what was done with the conversion -- whether it was something that could have been avoided or not.

I would definitely argue that it's the source material before even c
Did you check it on Passive 3D equipment? That's what I have. There are NO ghosting issues with this film. How could the source material have ghosting and my set not show any? There are many strange in your face moments that are not properly filmed, which make your eyes cross, but that is not ghosting.[/QUOTE]

Dark Country plays perfectly on my passive TV.
 

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John,

This is going to be something we might end up debating for months to come....which is fine.

To answer your first question, no, I did not test it on a passive display. The four displays I tested them on were all shutter active (Sony, Samsung and Panasonic).

So, you got me there, I admit.

The point I am making is that there has never been a 3D disc like this before that plays properly on some displays, while exhibiting ghosting on others.

Now, that's not unusual. However, when we have it happening on so many more players than usual -- with so many more complaints than usual -- you begin to wonder what the cause is.

I'll agree with you on equipment. However, I am not putting the sole blame on that. It was either something in the way the film was lensed or the way that the restoration was done.

Reading from the experts on HTF -- who know so much more than myself -- who have already chimed in -- seem to put the blame on the way the movie was lensed. Or, that is what I am gathering.

It was probably wrong to say "Totally wrong" to you, John, and I apologize for that. I really do. The thing is, I jumped at someone saying my equipment was at fault. Nobody wants to hear that when they have spent a lot of money on the best displays available and this disc plays badly on all three of them.

But you know what? your are right -- it is my equipment. However, it shouldn't be.
 

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Make no mistake, the stereoscopic cinematography on this film (and TREASURE OF THE FOUR CROWNS from the same creative team) is terrible. That's why I linked earlier to the erroneous comments in 1981 from Tony Anthony.

In short, they had no idea what they were doing!
 

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I wonder if we're all basically seeing the same thing, but having difficulty finding the right words to describe what we're seeing. To me, I perceive the problems with this disc to be related to the photography itself and my eyes not being able to make heads or tails of it, rather than it being a display issue. I think the end result is the same - my eyes aren't fusing the image properly, so I'm seeing double in lots of shots. But I'm convinced it's not the display itself, but the problems in photography, that are preventing my eyes from being able to handle it.
 

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I was waiting and hoping that Bob would chime in on this.

Because of the careless way that the filmmakers shot the 3D, it won't matter a bit which system you play this Blu ray on, there will ALWAYS be some anomalies present.

However, ghosting is an artifact dependent upon your system's abilities to cancel it out. On anything other than a DLP system there will be some amount of ghosting simply due to the way the 3D was shot.

I believe that the restoration team did all they could to fix any problems with this transfer that would cause ghosting. There is no baked in ghosting that I can see. Whatever ghosting you observe will be dependent on your system's abilities to cope with it.
 

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I still don't have my Sony projector back from repair 2 weeks on :( but I'm hoping Malcolm will lend me his copy sometime so I can see this for myself, I'm intrigued.
 

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Make no mistake, the stereoscopic cinematography on this film (and TREASURE OF THE FOUR CROWNS from the same creative team) is terrible. That's why I linked earlier to the erroneous comments in 1981 from Tony Anthony.

In short, they had no idea what they were doing!

I'm sure you're absolutely right, and the movie seems to confirm this. And yet, I'm still thrilled to have a real (not anaglyph) 3D copy of Comin' at Ya! in my library, and I'd like to add Treasure of the Four Crowns, too. Any chance of it coming out?
 

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I suppose it depends if MVD wants to licence it and someone is willing to put the time in to make it presentable.
 

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John,



Reading from the experts on HTF -- who know so much more than myself -- who have already chimed in -- seem to put the blame on the way the movie was lensed. Or, that is what I am gathering.

It was probably wrong to say "Totally wrong" to you, John, and I apologize for that. I really do. The thing is, I jumped at someone saying my equipment was at fault. Nobody wants to hear that when they have spent a lot of money on the best displays available and this disc plays badly on all three of them.

But you know what? your are right -- it is my equipment. However, it shouldn't be.

Ron, thanks for your reply. Yes, very frustrating. The film is headache-inducing through much of it, of that there is no doubt, but it is definitely in how it was filmed. However, every time I read about ghosting on a disc, The reviewer is always viewing on Active 3D. It's one of the reasons I made sure I went with Passive. Even when I tested them in the store, Active present the demo with ghosts, and Passive did not. Of the approximately 150 3D Blu-ray disks I own (many that got negative reviews for ghosting), I have only seen one instance of ghosting. It lasts approximately 1 second, in the film YOGI BEAR, during a moment near the beginning of the film while they are on a zip line. Without getting into a debate on which one presents films in higher quality, I must say that I would find ghosting far more problematic than the loss of definition. Besides, I have never felt there has been a loss of definition, even though I know there is. All the 3D films look bright, clear, beautiful, and blessedly, ghost-free!
 

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Just watched the first 29 or so minutes of this. Definitely problems baked into the photography, but I noticed that in scenes where they aren't trying to ram things as far into negative parallax as possible, the depth is quite pleasant, even if the focus is rather soft. I'm inclined to agree with those that suggest that the problem is fusing more than ghosting, and that's watching on a plasma.
 

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I'm sure you're absolutely right, and the movie seems to confirm this. And yet, I'm still thrilled to have a real (not anaglyph) 3D copy of Comin' at Ya! in my library, and I'd like to add Treasure of the Four Crowns, too. Any chance of it coming out?
Four Crowns is already out--full frame, as part of a Shout Factory four pack on DVD. I'd say the likelihood of a widescreen 3D Blu is slim.

Comin' at Ya was a wild ride on my Epson 5030, but, yes, the lens dirt is distracting. Effects are fun (a baby's bottom, novel) but the constant low-angle presentation is tiresome over the 88m long haul. (The most professional contribution is the score.) The Blu-Ray wins, but it wins ugly.
 

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So 14 minutes left and I've noticed the spotty lenses, hair and other detritus, and the left eye is considerably darker than the right, by as much as a full f-stop. I cranked my 3D adjustment to +3 after some fiddling and actually found it more watchable this way. It's an interesting curio, but I still wonder how much it could have been improved visually if Bob and Greg had got their hands on it.
 

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John,

I have always had active 3D. I bought into the format very early and that was what was initially available. Strangely, every piece of equipment I bought since also had active 3D, without me even thinking about which one I wanted.

I can't personally say whether active 3D presents less ghosting than passive. That could be true, it might not.

I can tell you, that as an active 3D owner, I don't generally have ghosting issues with the titles I review. So, for me, active 3D isn't introducing any. My Sony projector does tend to introduce a little bit of ghosting, but even that doesn't seem to be an major issue and it doesn't happen often.

I guess what I am saying is, active glasses don't generally induce ghosting for me.

I have always preferred active shutter 3D, because it it my understanding that passive offers a lower resolution picture.
 

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There are only a handful of ways to get full res passive 3D. The easiest would be on the 4K displays that offer it; otherwise, you're looking at a custom dual projector setup or the Runco or LG projectors with dual light engines. My experience with passive displays has been that the 540 x 1920 resolution reminds me of watching on older tube TVs with less than perfect interlacing. YMMV.
 

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