Lost: Season Four - Page 35

Steve Y · 05-16-2008, 05:24 PM

Sun was saying that he didn't die on the island. She's saying he never made it off the plane - that he died in the crash. Very important is the significant look of sympathy Jack gives Sun at the press conference when the picture taken by the fishermen is shown. That should at least give a clue as to the time frame.

The reason for their deception we have yet to discover (as an audience), but I suspect they are (or believe they are) protecting something. We are not supposed to know yet.

Cheers,

Steve

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Sean Bryan · 05-16-2008, 05:24 PM

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We don't know if Jin is dead or not, or if anyone else on the island has died. They told the outside world that everyone had died but them, but we don't know why.
Sun visited Jin's grave in Ji Yeon, but we know that he's not buried there. And although she was crying at his grave, it might have been simply because Jin couldn't be there for the birth of their daughter.

Exactly.

Jin may be dead. But maybe not. All we know for certain is that he is not one of the six that gets off the Island.

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And as much as I hate reset buttons. I kinda of hope they have one at the end of the series. Nadia & Jin dead. Jack a freakin mess. I wouldn't mind an ending where some stay on the island on their own accord (like Locke) and the others (incl.the random no-name cast members) get off.

Not sure why you are thinking a "reset button" would be required. The story isn't over yet. Nadia is the only one you mentioned that we can be certain is dead. And I think it's pretty clear that there will be much more to the story after we saw Jack "a freaking mess". No reset required, just the rest of the story. Jack is going to go back ... somehow (and probably some or all of the other 5 will be going with him).

Joe_H · 05-16-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Arild

We don't even have that. We have Sun and Aaron in one place, Kate and Sayid another, Jack is off elsewhere and Hurley's still with Locke. They're in four different places. I think it's the most separation they've had all season.

Well, besides Sun and Aaron, the other 4 are heading towards the Orchid.

Also, it definitely seems like they're getting off the island in the finale. I wonder if maybe future seasons won't be flashbacks and flash forwards but instead those who remained on the island with cuts to stories of the 6 who are off? Unless of course everyone dies on the blown up boat, and then only Locke is left on the island with the others.

Louis Cornell · 05-16-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein

We know 6 are brought home. In the press conference it seems
that the Oceanic 5 (plus Aaron) claim that they are the only survivors.
So, the question is, what happened to everyone else? Was it a mutual
decision that none of remaining them wanted to be rescued and/or were
they killed?

We don't know why they cooked up the story of the plane hitting water and the five (Aaron not yet born) getting to shore via flotation devices from the plane. I would guess because the world does not know it was faked, and if the island was revealed it could be disastrous.

Joseph DeMartino · 05-16-2008, 10:00 PM

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We don't know why they cooked up the story of the plane hitting water and the five (Aaron not yet born) getting to shore via flotation devices from the plane.

Well, they (meaning "The Six") didn't cook up the story of the plane going down in the ocean. That had already been cooked up by Widmore before anyone escaped from the island. That was the public "fact" that everybody already knew about the flight.

The way I see it, you have two mutually hostile groups of people who both have good reason to conceal the truth, and who therefore strike a deal.

Widmore and Co. apparently managed to sink a jumbo jet filled with the freshly-killed corpses of a couple of hundred people and arranged for it to be "found" so as to put a halt to the search for the plane. (Which created the risk of someone finding the island.) Once they secured Ben Linus they had to kill everyone on the island because they were either survivors of the crash or at least knew the truth about it. They had to commit another 30 or 40 murders to cover up the 300 hundred or so they had already committed.

The Oceanic 6 present a real dillema for Widmore. The easiest thing would be to kill them, but evidently something makes that impossible. Short of that the 6 at least have to be persuaded to explain their return in a way that won't cause problems for Widmore or contradict the official story. I think Jack and the rest cut a deal with Widmore. In exchange for their cooperation they get huge financial settlements (evidently way beyond what would be expected in similar real-world circumstances), return to their lives and are left alone by Widmore. Widmore probably accepts the deal because he thinks he can eventually use the 6 to locate the island again. It seems likely that Locke and/or Ben do whatever it is that moves the island, and that the 6 are not on the island when this happens. (Whether they volunteered to escape or just happened to be on ship or the zodiac when the island "jumps" remains to be seen.)

I doubt they're going to entirely dispense with the flashbacks next season. We still have gaps in time between the threads of the story. Ben escapes from the island at least several months after the 6 reach civilization (Sayiid has married and lost Nadia.) But I do think the two timelines will continue to run in parallel until they converge at the end of the season, much like the two timelines in Damages did.

The show is really firing on all cylinders now. I can't wait until season finale in two weeks, and the series finale next year.

Regards,

Joe

TonyD · 05-16-2008, 10:22 PM

when was it confirmed that it was widmore's doing with the fake plane?

ScottH · 05-16-2008, 10:32 PM

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Well, it was rather beautiful watching certain events come together (the 6 being met by their familes, Jack finding out about Claire, and I got a bit teary during the Sayid/Nadia reunion)

I have to say, I think knowing already about the "six" took something away from that scene. That said, I'm not saying it was a bad decision to reveal that those six get off the island ahead of time, but it's times like that where knowing the future can negatively impact the emotion of a scene.

TravisR · 05-16-2008, 11:12 PM

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I have to say, I think knowing already about the "six" took something away from that scene.

That's why the producers didn't intend to confirm the Oceanic 6. It was ABC's promo department that forced their hand by having a commercial that ID'ed all of the 6 and then the producers decided that they had to confirm them since the commercial already did.

Sam Favate · 05-17-2008, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Joseph DeMartino

The show is really firing on all cylinders now. I can't wait until season finale in two weeks, and the series finale next year.

Sorry, Joe, the series finale is not for another two years. We have 34 more hours after the 4th season finale.

NeilO · 05-17-2008, 10:39 AM

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Sorry, Joe, the series finale is not for another two years. We have 34 more hours after the 4th season finale.

Actually Joe was slightly unstuck in time and the was the Joe from next year writing that.

Neil

Nelson Au · 05-17-2008, 11:35 AM

It was nice to see some of the guest stars coming on the show. Veronica Hamel and Cheech Marin. But it was a surprise to see Michelle Forbes in a somewhat small role. I guess like other guest stars, this is just a taste, as this seems like a waste to have her do such a seemingly insignificant role. Perhaps she's a mole or a Widmore minion. Now that I think about, she and the pilot and crew of the plane that brings them back home to Hawaii could all be working for Widmore, or another faction.