Lost: Season Four - Page 25

Louis Cornell · 03-21-2008, 11:50 AM

I didn't review that scene, but I do recall there was some Asian statue, maybe a Buddha.

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Jeff Cooper · 03-21-2008, 12:00 PM

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I was surprised that Sayid turned on Michael so quickly. He had to realize that it was Michael who let them out when they were locked in with Minkowski. Shouldn't that have leant some credence to his warning not to trust the captain? Meanwhile, I thought that Desmond should have said something about Widmore.

Desmond did say something about Widmore. When Desmond and Sayid went into the captains cabin, and he showed them the black box, Desmond told the captain that he knew Widmore.

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Here's something to chew on: We now know that the staging of the wreckage happened after the sky-turning-purple event (since Michael left the island right after that). We also know that at that moment, there was something detectable by the outside world (Penny's men in the cold). So Charles Widmore would have a reason to stage the crash at that point, assuming he was able to detect the island, and didn't want anyone interfering with its exploration/exploitation.

A couple of things here.. First we have to assume that the news report Michael saw was current and real. I think there is a great possibility that it was fed into his TV at that specific time, to convince him to start working for the others. The way it interrupted the show that was already on the TV seems to indicate that. Secondly, if it was infact a real current report, then that only proves that the wreckage was discovered after the sky turned purple. It could have been actually staged before then.

Also the timeline isn't that great. It's only been 3 months since the plane crashed to the time Sayid was interrogating Michael on the boat, so there isn't much room to move there.

NeilO · 03-21-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Cooper

Desmond did say something about Widmore. When Desmond and Sayid went into the captains cabin, and he showed them the black box, Desmond told the captain that he knew Widmore.

I was thinking that he should have said something more now that he has heard conflicting information about whether it was Ben or Widmore who staged underwater Oceanic plane. He knows more about Widmore's character than Sayid knows.

Regarding the Oceanic 6 - the podcast is out and they

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Neil

NeilO · 03-21-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Williams

There doesn't seem to be any evidence that Jack knows Claire is his half-sister (not step sister), nor that Claire knows about Jack. With Jack's father dead, it isn't really likely they'll ever know.

At the "present time" of Jack on island we know he doesn't know it. But between that time and their leaving the island it could happen and factor into why he doesn't want to see Aaron.

Neil

Mike Williams · 03-21-2008, 02:26 PM

But how would Jack find out? His dad is dead. Claire doesn't know. If Claire doesn't leave the island, it's not like she'll run across a picture of Jack's dad in his mantle. Surely the connection must be significant somehow, instead of just, "Ooooh, that's weird," but whatever way the come up with to let Jack know Claire is his sister better be really, really good or it will just be stupid. I think it's better that we know, but Jack doesn't.

NeilO · 03-21-2008, 02:32 PM

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But how would Jack find out? His dad is dead. Claire doesn't know. If Claire doesn't leave the island, it's not like she'll run across a picture of Jack's dad in his mantle. Surely the connection must be significant somehow, instead of just, "Ooooh, that's weird," but whatever way the come up with to let Jack know Claire is his sister better be really, really good or it will just be stupid. I think it's better that we know, but Jack doesn't.

Well, that's part of the mystery. People have speculated that Jacob/the body in the cabin

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so perhaps through an encounter with Jacob he finds out.

Neil

TravisR · 03-21-2008, 03:59 PM

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But how would Jack find out?

Ben could know. When Jack was in captivity at the beginning of last season, The Others (somehow) had files with very detailed knowledge of his life. The file also had info about Jack's ex-wife so I don't think it's too much of a strectch to think that they took a look into Christian's life as well. Ben seems like a very thorough guy so maybe he found out that Christian was also Claire's father.

NeilO · 03-21-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TravisR

When Jack was in captivity at the beginning of last season, Ben (somehow) had files with very detailed knowledge on his life and on the other survivors. They also knew info about Jack's ex-wife so I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that he took a look into Christian's life as well and found out that he was also Claire's father.

Now that you mention this, Ben probably has that information in Claire's file. So, Ben telling Jack or Claire at some (in)opportune time would seem to be easiest route if the writers choose to do so.

Neil

Vince Butler · 03-21-2008, 04:13 PM

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I assume that it's The Others because they killed Karl and Rousseau but not Alex. Ben would want both of them dead because they'd be the only people who would look for her if she was taken by The Others. Ben somehow communicated with Harper a few episodes ago so I think he set up a plan with The Others to capture her and take her to the The Temple so she'll be safe when the frighter people arrive.

I disagree, I think it's the mercenaries from the boat. There are two clues:

1. The helicopter is missing from the boat - Sayid pointed that out a couple episodes ago.

2. The guns had silencers, and we haven't seen anything to indicate the Others have that kind of equipment. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems more likely that a bunch of hired killers who use submachine guns for target practice would also have stealth equipment for their misson to purge the island.

TravisR · 03-21-2008, 04:21 PM

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I disagree, I think it's the mercenaries from the boat.

Maybe you're right but if it's the freighter people, it was nice of them to wait on shooting Alex until she said she was Ben's daughter so she can now be used as a bargaining chip.

Not that that means anything really since every TV show uses that kind of convenience every now and then.

Ronald Epstein · 03-21-2008, 04:24 PM

For me, this wasn't the best episode of the series but rather
the most significant. There were so many long-standing
questions answered, though I'll admit they may not be truthful.

For the first time, I see Ben as being one of the "good guys,"
which may be exactly the false deviation the writers want us
to believe.

What I loved most about this episode is that, as pointed out in
this thread, made specific references to things said in past episodes.
It finally feels like the writers knew exactly where they were going
a full season ago which we are finally catching up with today.

In short, this episode proved to me that the show was very
well developed from the standpoint of the writers.

Also, pay very close attention (for those that want to) to the
spoiler posted by NickO. If you freeze frame the image
of Jacob you find out who he actually is or taking the form of.

Vince Butler · 03-21-2008, 04:27 PM

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Maybe you're right but if it's the freighter people, it was nice of them to wait on shooting Alex until she said she was Ben's daughter so she can now be used as a bargaining chip.