Lost: Season Four - Page 14

Joe_H · 02-22-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Holadem

Kate looks absolutely stunning with make up on. She was just lighting up the screen.

Did anyone else think Kate looked a ton like Alex in those scenes though?

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Ray H · 02-22-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KurtEP

Certainly the old Locke (from flashbacks). He hasn't shown much of that on the island until recently.

As far back as the first season, Locke was seen banging on the hatch in desperation, questioning his purpose on the island. In season 2, his arc revolved around his self doubt about being Jack's lapdog and also his unwavering faith in the island - that is until he watched the orientation video inside the Pearl. Frustrated, he came to the conclusion that he's been played and decided to stop pushing the button. When he realized he was wrong, he essentially let out a "Whoops." In season 3, he was torn by the presence of his father on the island. He couldn't bring himself to do what needed to be done, and Ben took the opportunity to exploit this weakness. By the end of the last season, he was contemplating suicide until Taller Ghost Walt came to him in a vision.

In this episode, the moment after Locke brought breakfast to Ben is a mirror of a scene in Season 2. Ben, once again Locke's prisoner, gets inside Locke's head. After closing the door, Locke takes his frustration out by breaking a few things.

Mark Turetsky · 02-22-2008, 04:10 PM

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let's not rush to judgment that "Baby Aaron" is Claire's "Baby Aaron." While that is certainly a possible scenario (and one that the writers might want us to believe) it's just as possible that Kate's "Aaron" is her natural born son.

I'd be quite skeptical about this from a writing standpoint, as it's a conspiracy theory that's actually *less* compelling than the obvious answer given out on the show. At the end of the day, it would undercut and ruin the moment of revelation at the end of the episode from "OMG Kate's raising Claire's baby" to "OMG Kate named her kid Aaron."

Holadem · 02-22-2008, 04:21 PM

Agreed.

Although the revelation that Kate was a mother immediately brought me back to the airport scene at the end of last season (Kate was most likely talking about getting back to her kid), I have to say that I never would have guessed.

This show is fucking brilliant.

(and for the crowd that is unable to grasp the concept of loving a series when it's delivering, and getting frustrated when it's stuck in a bizarre, intentional wheel spinning rut, I will openly voice my displeasure when if/when it goes back to sucking and it you don't like it, fuck you

)

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TonyD · 02-22-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe_H

Did anyone else think Kate looked a ton like Alex in those scenes though?

alex?
rousseou's daughter, not really.

Greg_S_H · 02-22-2008, 05:15 PM

Don't know if it's been mentioned, but had to laugh when Hugo said, "You just Scooby Dooed me, didn't you?" And, when he started up Xanadu.

Greg*go · 02-22-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe_H

I agree that it was Aaron, but the closed captioning isn't the most reliable of a source for things like that.

I agree that the closed captioning isn't 100% accurate, but in scenes where whispers are barely heard, I regularly turn it on to see what the heck is being said. I find it's pretty accurate. It did correctly state "We are the survivors of flight 815" when Boone was in the plane in S1.

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Originally Posted by Scott-S

I will say again. Loche is turning into Ben.

Really people, is it that hard? It's LOCKE.

I have to agree with what Ray said a few posts up. Locke is the definition of being insecure. He really is an interesting character. You want to like him, but he consistently does stupid/bad/evil things.

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I don't think Aaron should count as one of the Oceanic Six. That would seem to be cheating. So far we have Kate, Jack, Hurley, and Sayid.

Although debatable, I think the news media would count a baby as a plane survivor, even if it wasn't born yet when the plane crashed. Imagine how the media would eat that up.

I now don't know who the reveal was tonight. Was it Kate, Aaron, or both? Prior to this episode, I was in the camp that thought Kate got off the island without the world knowing. I thought that was why she was so secretive in the S3 finale, and it also explained why she wasn't in jail. Obviously, this episode proved both of my theories incorrect, so she was revealed to be an "Oceanic 6" member to me last night. It may have already been obvious to everyone else.

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We now have seen another possible reason for Kate not wanting to try to go to the island. Her deal to get off the charges involves her staying in the state for 10 years.

I think that's right, but for the wrong reasons. I think it's as simple as she doesn't want to leave the baby. I'm sure we'll find out later, Kate promised Claire (as she was dying) that she would protect Aaron.

After all, if she does get back to the island, no one can find it anyway, so who would care about probation?

Greg*go · 02-22-2008, 08:39 PM

I almost forgot. Did anyone else notice the accidental "Ed Wood" like moment?

After Ben pissed off Locke, and Locke threw the plate of food against the supposed concrete wall. The "concrete" wall had a certain bounce to it; almost like it was a prop wall made of plywood.

Louis Cornell · 02-22-2008, 10:31 PM

Kate claims this is her baby. I suspect this could be to get sympathy in court, or as suggested in the episode to use the baby to keep mom from testifying against her. All of this begs the question just why does she have Aaron? I would not jump to conclude the 'obvious' answer of Claire dying, given how things usually play out on this show.

Next, when Jack meets Kate in the parking garage, she is surprised he found her there, and Jack stumbles with an explanation (I think he said her lawyer told him she would be there). Recall, these 'little things' serve a purpose on 'Lost' and I doubt this was a 'throwaway line.'

Finally, Kate is 'not warming up' to Jack's advances, supposedly because he is not warming up to her having a baby (It's Sawyer's, it's Claire's and he is related to Aaron, etc.) I would not assume that is the reason, but I don't quite know what it is yet.

Greg Kettell · 02-23-2008, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Louis Cornell

Kate claims this is her baby. I suspect this could be to get sympathy in court, or as suggested in the episode to use the baby to keep mom from testifying against her. All of this begs the question just why does she have Aaron? I would not jump to conclude the 'obvious' answer of Claire dying, given how things usually play out on this show.

I'm not sure I follow how she ends up with Aaron, either. Wouldn't at least someone other than the Marshall on the plane have seen Kate before she got on and known that she wasn't pregnant at the time?

PS Nystrom · 02-23-2008, 01:02 AM

Right before one of the commercials I thought Kate said to her lawyer something along the lines of, "You're not putting my son on the stand!" Am I remembering that correctly? Would they really put such a young child on the stand? And I wonder why he would be a good witness? What could he say that would help prove Kate's innocence? I guess he could be a character witness like Jack.

Qui-Gon John · 02-23-2008, 06:37 AM

I'm thinking it is Claire's baby. Maybe Jack was somehow, even indirectly responsible for Claire's death. Maybe something happened and he could only save Claire or Aaron and saved Aaron. Now to see him is too difficult because he blames himself.