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Old 08-09-2007, 11:30 AM   #151 of 241
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Re: Babylon 5: The Lost Tales


I love B5, but I think a feature Film would be about as succesfull as the feature Film version of Firefly. Not taking anything away from Firefly or Serenity. And I know B5 was on alot longer, but really it was for it's four years a Syndicated program that often ran in very bad time slots. 2 AM here for most of it's run. It was'nt in Reruns Long. I can't seeing this as being successful. And I can't see anyone not invested in the program as Caring about a movie concerning the Telepath war.


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Old 08-09-2007, 12:20 PM   #152 of 241
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(OTOH I saw Michelle Pfeiffer on Letterman in HD last night and she still looks incredible, little lines around the eyes and all. She must have a painting of herself in her attic that looks like Hell. )
If you see Stardust this weekend you will get to see just what keeps her looking young

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Old 08-09-2007, 01:04 PM   #153 of 241
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And I can't see anyone not invested in the program as Caring about a movie concerning the Telepath war.

"And I can't see anyone not invested in [the program, 20 years of the comic book, the series of novels...] as caring about a movie concerning..."

"... a bunch of super-powered mutants"
"... the crew of a starship and the death of one of them"
"... a mafia family"

And how, on a model that predicts the success of a movie based on its source material, does any film based on an original screenplay ever succeed at all?

Look, a movie succeeds or fails based on a couple of things, some of which are beyond the filmmaker's control:

1. Competition - what other films are at there during the crucial initial release weeks when movies live or die.

2. Advertising, venues - how many people know about it, how many screens is it on.

3. Current events - A number of terrorist-themed films were shelved after 9/11. Sometimes a tragedy puts people in the mood for some light escapism and comedies may surge while previously successful dramas stagnate. The China Syndrome was a middling thriller that got generally poor reviews and was probably destined for the bargain VHS bin when an accident of timing (the nuclear reactor problem at Three Mile Island) suddenly turned it into a box-office blockbuster.

But mostly films succeed or fail based on what they are and whether or not the public likes them. Probably 2/3rds of the people who eventually saw Terminator 2 in theaters (including a lot of wives and girlfriends) never saw the original film, which did only a fraction of the box office. The least accessible Trek films scraped by with the support of hardcore fans, the most accessible ones appealed to a broader audience and sold more tickets.

A pre-existing fanbase or a huge advertising campaign can help a movie "open". But only good word of mouth can keep a film going. Similarly a film without a huge opening weekend can become a success in the 2nd and 3rd weeks if the people who first saw it like it and recommend it to their friends. It is simply absurd to say that Firefly's lack of success means that a different film with a different story to tell and a totally different writer and cast won't succeed because both happened to be based on TV series.

People would care about the Telepath War for the same reason people cared about the scientists in The Andromeda Strain or the family in The Incredibles - because the stories involve sympathetic characters placed in jeopardy. That's the essence of all drama. Again, just because we're familiar with all the details of the place of telepaths in the B5 universe doesn't mean that my sister or my cousin or my aunt Camille would need to know all that to understand a two hour movie about a war. How many people who watched The Longest Day or Saving Private Ryan were experts on D-Day, never mind WWII in general? How many watched (and enjoyed) The Horse Soldiers or The Beguiled without knowing a damned thing about Civil War?

Again, people are getting caught up in the fact that this is a TV show, which is actually pretty much irrelevant (beyond that opening weekend) to its success as a film. Every film, original or adapted from another medium, is treated pretty much the same by the actual ticket buyers who determine success or failure in the marketplace. Nobody walked into The Unforgiven with a previous investment in the character of Will Munny, for the simple reason that until the film began nobody knew Will Munny. The learned to care about his character and the outcome of this struggle by watching the film. Which is the usual way with these things.

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Old 08-09-2007, 01:27 PM   #154 of 241
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Joseph, you make good points. And Serenity did manage to make a movie that was accessible to non fans and fans alike, it just was'nt a smash at the Box Office. If Firefly could make a accessible film B5 can do it as well. It's a thin tightrope to walk thou, pleasing the fans and non fans as well. I'm mixed in my desire to see more B5, While I enjoy continueing adventures, in many ways B5 is done to me, it concluded it's story so well that maybe it should end there. I enjoyed at least the second half of Lost Tales, but nothing within that DVD really needed to be told, they were stories that really added nothing to universe of B5 . But I'm glad to visit the characters again if only for a short time. I kind of wish Trek would take this approach. I've always felt an anthology series spanning all the series would be a great thing.


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Old 08-09-2007, 07:56 PM   #155 of 241
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MY review of the first Lost Tales and the DVD can be found here.

I do wish it was better entry for the first ina series. I liked the second story better. I hope they do focus on Valen and Crusade somewhere down the line. Too bad I didn't get the mini-comic at Best Buy. they didn't have them or sold out of them.



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Old 08-09-2007, 10:44 PM   #156 of 241
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just finished it. joe you mentioned that jms was never really good @cracking jokes and i really noticed that on these 2 "episodes".

1st was OK, but a bit hokey. 2nd one really pulled me back into B5 cause both actors were just phenomenal.

i see they spent most of their FX $ on wide zoom out shots. i'd've loved to see sheridan walk down to the welcome party, etc. those were always my fav. parts of B5, not the fx. has CG progressed so far that the fx now cost LESS than live action sets?



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Old 08-10-2007, 01:18 AM   #157 of 241
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MY review of the first Lost Tales and the DVD can be found here.

I do wish it was better entry for the first ina series. I liked the second story better. I hope they do focus on Valen and Crusade somewhere down the line. Too bad I didn't get the mini-comic at Best Buy. they didn't have them or sold out of them.
Yeah,They told Me the same thing at My BB about the comic.I don't think some stores got them even though it was in the Ad.Best Buy hasn't impressed Me as of late in regards to customer service.
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Old 08-10-2007, 11:02 AM   #158 of 241
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I think of the Best Buy stores had a limited supply of the exclusive. It was never intended to go out with every copy sold there - it was just "while supplies last".

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Old 08-10-2007, 01:51 PM   #159 of 241
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But mostly films succeed or fail based on what they are and whether or not the public likes them. Probably 2/3rds of the people who eventually saw Terminator 2 in theaters (including a lot of wives and girlfriends) never saw the original film, which did only a fraction of the box office.

While this is true about the box office, it is certainly not true about the rental side of the business.

Terminator was one of the largest successes on VHS. While people missed the movie in the theaters, it was later watched by many many many more people on video, much the same way Austin Powers found his audience.

One of the reasons they made a Terminator 2 was due to the success of the video tapes. Had they not rented as well as they did, I bet they would have had a much tougher time getting Terminator 2 made.


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