I forgot how bad Voyager was...

Eric_Connelly · 12-26-2004, 02:05 PM

I set the DVR to record Voyager reruns...

Watched part of Body & Soul...the worst of Enterprise is better than this.

Sam Favate · 12-26-2004, 05:26 PM

I was never much of a fan of Voyager. I watched it for 7 years, hoping it would get better, but I don't think it ever did. For me, it was both a flawed premise and poor writing that damned the show -- the cast was pretty good. But the writing never exhibited the maturity and thoughtfulness that TNG and DS9 did. I was down on Enterprise when it began, right up through last year, but this fourth season has really turned around (thanks to a new show runner) and I look forward to seeing what's next. The 9 or 10 episodes that Enterprise has had this season are better than anything Voyager did in 7 years, IMO.

Eric_Connelly · 12-26-2004, 06:56 PM

I can't imagine how bored people must have been to watch Voyager for 7 years

Seriously...I forget why I never watched it, think it conflicted with something else and this was before DVR's and my motivation to set a VCR.

Maybe it was just this one ep, but it was SOOOOO bad and cheesy, far worse than any Enterprise episode.

CaptDS9E · 12-26-2004, 08:17 PM

The problem with voyager was charector development. TNG and DS9 had a good balance of episodes about all cast members. Voyager for the most part was the captain , doctor and seven. there were a few sprinkled in about the other crew members. However the writing for most of those episodes for the other crew members was so bad (expecially chakotay) that bad episodes out weighed the good ones. There are a lot of good voyager episodes believe it or not. They are just so spread out unless you watched on a regular basis you probably missed them. Most of the good ones are where the entire crew worked together and not one person was focused on

capt

Chris · 12-26-2004, 10:44 PM

I spent last week and went back and watched all of DS9. It suprised me how overall good the series was; from the get go, it seemed to have a basic flow of plot; an involvement of an array of characters and good backstory with all of them.. even cute stories about completely sideline characters (Morn). DS9 was (IMHO) the best of Trek.

Voyager spoiled that. And I can give one great example of this: The Macquis.

In Voyager, they learned to get along but then it just seemed to be dropped. The Macquis were dissidents early and just beligerent without a lot of detail or soul behind their characters.

In early DS9, even to late, the Macquis were not evil people; they were people who felt the federation betrayed them, who made an effective case; one of the better episodes (IMHO) involved Eddington in his announcement that the Federation was "virtually as bad as the Borg" with their insistance that everyone wanted to join..

DS9 seemed to make the most out of situations, Voyager just killed any real story behind things and went for surface level without giving any characters motivation or reasoning. Hell, in DS9, even the bad guys had a decent story that made you try to understand where they were coming from (The Founders, etc.) who were fleshed out to the point even though you disliked them, the thought of genocide, which was attempted, was appalling.

DS9 breathed life into the characters. Voyager just sucked life out of viewers

Enterprise has been pretty mediocre, but it was never as bad as Voyager; and the fourth season of Enterprise has been fairly good.. not great, but definitely better then most TV, and better then anything Voyager had.

Voyager stripped down and went for the T&A show, which is what hurt Enterprise early on.. instead of storyline.

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TheLongshot · 12-26-2004, 10:52 PM

I was reminded how bland Voyager was when I picked up a free copy of the novel "Homecoming", which tells what happens when the crew returns to Earth. I found myself so disinterested that I barely got into the book before putting it down for good. I just wasn't very interested to hear about these characters.

Jason

Mike Graham · 12-26-2004, 11:14 PM

I tried watching the series for almost 3 seasons, but couldn't take it anymore. Whether it was ruining the villains, Maquis or Borg, to making the worst captain ever, the show never clicked with me. Even the finale failed to satisfy. Instead of going the DS9 route, wrapping up the main arc with the first hour, then wrapping up the character arcs in the second, we just see Voyager fly into Earth's orbit as the credits appear. What kind of a rip off is that?

todd s · 12-27-2004, 11:38 AM

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wrapping up the main arc with the first hour, then wrapping up the character arcs in the second, we just see Voyager fly into Earth's orbit as the credits appear. What kind of a rip off is that?

That to me was the worst thing Voyager did. They never wrapped it up. The show was about a ship lost for 7 years. And they spent no time showing the resolution for the crew after returning. They should have done was have Voyager return home with about 3-4 episodes before the finale. Then spent the last episodes having the characters deal with returning. For example: What happened to the Maquis crewmembers? The blew good character driven stories for another fight with the seldom seen Borg (sarcasm).

Mikel_Cooperman · 12-27-2004, 12:53 PM

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I was never much of a fan of Voyager. I watched it for 7 years, hoping it would get better,

I did the same because I was such a fan of Trek in general but looking back, I have to say the series overall was a letdown. I wont even buy the box sets. Characters that werent well written, plots that were very basic and a ship that never had to really struggle.
Voyager was the beginning of the end for Trek.

Tony Whalen · 12-29-2004, 12:03 PM

I've always been a huge fan of the "franchise". I've got a huge novel collection, own TOS, TNG and DS9 on DVD, and even have a few props.

Even though I've loved Trek since I was a wee one, Voyager ... to be frank... blew chunks.

I watched the first two or three seasons, in the hopes it would improve. (Enterprise HAS improved a great deal this year.) It didn't. I slowly stopped watching over the 4th and 5th seasons, and have seen little or none of the last two seasons. I *did* tune in for the finale, which sucked.

They sucked the life out of the Maquis... they sucked the life out of one of the best, most fearsome villians ever (The Borg) and they had little or no character development, except perhaps for the Doctor and 2-of-38..er...7-of-9.