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08-21-2003, 10:45 AM
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I haven't seen any new discussions about Enterprise, so I thought I'd risk the "bums rush" and start one.
Two interesting events. New "Star Trek Enterprise" promos airs last night for season three. Bakula is doing a Captains Starlog regarding the new mission to the unknown Expanse and finding the Xindi. The traditional Starfleet arrowhead logo is now used to promote the series as well as the "Star Trek" name.
Also interesting story excerpted and summerized on Trekweb which Brannon Braga is interviewed by another site and discussing how he is tired of fans criticizing him for playing fast and loose with continuity. He admits to bending the rules, but never did he show a Romulan or said that Kirk never existed. He challenges the fans to cite examples, He wants to know where did he break the rules.
Interesting he is doing this. Is he in touch or out to lunch? I would only suggest that the biggest continuity issue is how the Vulcans are portrayed. We'll see how this Xindi business and TCW is handled, and how it could affect Kirk's time. Read the Braga interview here.
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08-21-2003, 11:36 AM
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The fact that you can't play the "we never CALLED them that" game?
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08-21-2003, 11:38 AM
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Well, I'll give him one: "Stigma", where mind melding is only able to be done by a minority of the Vulcan population, and is frowned upon. Damn, things changed a lot by Spock's time.  All of this for a lame AIDS parallel episode.
Mostly his treatment of Vulcans are just bad. Course, the biggest problem is the show is now going where every Trek has gone before. Nice to have an interesting premise, then just go ignore it, just like Voyager. Sorry, Brannon, but you bore me.
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08-21-2003, 11:43 AM
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The fact that you can't play the "we never CALLED them that" game?
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Talking about the Romulans? Yeah, that was kinda cringeworthy, knowing that the Vulcans would probably never had called them that. (Since that was an Earth reference) Probably about as bad as the "Remians" in Nemisis.
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08-21-2003, 12:06 PM
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Great. I've been backed into the position of defending Braga.
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Well, I'll give him one: "Stigma", where mind melding is only able to be done by a minority of the Vulcan population, and is frowned upon. Damn, things changed a lot by Spock's time.
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Actually, mind-melds were never shown as common, and were almost always shown as a last resort on TOS and TNG. Exposing himself to another's unfiltered emotions (and vice versa) doesn't strike me as something Vulcans are likely to do very often. And, of course, no-one ever said all Vulcans can meld on TOS. It being a trait that some are better at than others is fairly reasonable.
And things had changed a lot by Spock's time...
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Mostly his treatment of Vulcans are just bad.
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Actually, it's one of my favorite parts of the show. The Vulcans of this time would prize a stable world because logic rapidly becomes useless when more unpredictability is introduced into the system. That they would try to hold humans, Andorians, etc. back, or at least maintain the status quo, is perfectly reasonable. T'Pau is on the ship to represent Vulcan growing, if not more comfortable with humanity's intuitive and emotional approach to the galaxy, at least willing to accomodate it.
Vulcans are arrogant jerks. The half-human Spock was always the exception; even when we first met Sarek in "Journey To Babel", he and his son were estranged. Their society based upon logic gives them very little ability to admit that they're wrong.
Now, if Berman & Braga (or whoever we appoint after the revolution) would really do something with this...
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08-21-2003, 12:35 PM
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In a Los Angeles Times piece that ran two days ago (can't link you; subscription site), Braga expressed further puzzlement over Enterprise's declining ratings and promised that in Season Three Archer would be "more rigid" (exact words) and that T'Pol would "loosen up" (exact words). Braga also said that there would be "more action" (exact words) and "lots of interesting new aliens" (paraphrase).
The heart races with excitement.
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08-21-2003, 12:42 PM
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Grrrrrr, Braga and Bermen, you've devolved the ST universe, and now you're mucking with iconic characters and challenging fans to boot?!? What a way to drive an even bigger wedge between the franchise and the fans! Have they not learned with Star Trek: Voyager, Star Trek: Insurrection, Star Trek: Nemesis, and now Star Trek: Enterprise?!?! Mr. Roddenberry is rolling over in his grave!
Brrrraaaaagaaaahhhh!!!! Berrrrrrmaaaaaannnnn!!!  
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08-21-2003, 02:41 PM
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All I care about is watching 40mins of well-written, well-acted, imaginative science fiction. Continuity is nice to have, but let's get the basics right first. Beavis and Butthead should take a good look at some eps of DS9 and Farscape.
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08-21-2003, 02:43 PM
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This guys ego and pompous attitude are two reasons why I dont like the guy, the other reason is he doesnt know how to write good characters that you like.
Nuff said.
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08-21-2003, 04:57 PM
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