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Old 04-09-2005, 03:00 PM   #1 of 12
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quick pb-10 in-room spl test post!


Proud owner of a pb-10. I know this thing cranks but I just wanted to post my in-room spl results @1m

These are all "corrected" measurements using an RS analog spl meter. This meter is pretty "nifty" eh?

25Hz 114.3db
22Hz 111.8db
20Hz 110.2db
19Hz 107.5db
18Hz 101.2db

I thought it was pointless to post higher freq's because I'm sure that there are many comparable subs that can perform similarly at 25Hz and above into the 105-110db range.

I pushed the sub fairly hard and close to the point of compression/doubling and backed off a tad on the volume when I reached that point.

I did notice that the port chuffing was intense at 24Hz and below, I measured with the grill off as I felt as if the cloth and the port were "fighting" eachother and created more audible chuffing than with it off. That grill couldn't get out of the way fast enough!



Great product SVS makes...I felt like I was back in highschool, watching quarters bouncing off the tops of "mini-trucks"

I also felt as if I needed M O R E upgrade-itis already?
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Old 04-09-2005, 03:08 PM   #2 of 12
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Great info. I'm glad that also someone else has the courage to try max SPL with sine waves.

My results: THD <5%, distance 2m (in-room), corrected readings (normal C-weighting corrections used, not those around the web).

30Hz 107dB
25Hz 103dB
22Hz 104dB
20Hz 100dB
18Hz 92dB
16Hz 89dB
15Hz 92dB
14Hz 73dB
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Old 04-09-2005, 03:14 PM   #3 of 12
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BTW, how do you get a .8 or .3 reading from a analog meter?
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Old 04-09-2005, 03:20 PM   #4 of 12
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Hi Ilkka,
I used your corrected chart! I finally got my RS spl meter and wifey left for work this morning and I WENT to work as soon as the garage door closed!

I have found your input on this and on the "other" forum very helpful.

Good to see you're awake and "cruising" the forums again.

I'm going to measure your favorite Darla and Sub-slide scenes from Nemo in about an hour.

Had to feed the kids lunch.

BTW, I hope that my readings at 1meter are accurate vs. your 2 meter readings.

I did notice a significant decrease in spl at the 2m distance.

p.s. I was also able to secure my phase issue...I was really really close by ear @180degrees but the actual phase was at 150-160 based on the meter's readings. Not bad for "playing it by ear". I knew my musician's ear wasn't full of wax afterall!

thanks again for your input!
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Old 04-09-2005, 03:30 PM   #5 of 12
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Hi Ilkka,
I used your corrected chart!

Good!

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Good to see you're awake and "cruising" the forums again.

Have I been sleeping a lot lately then?

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BTW, I hope that my readings at 1meter are accurate vs. your 2 meter readings.

Actually we can't compare our readings, since our rooms can be totally different. If we had measured both subs outside (ground plane), then we could have compared them. Also I monitored and limited THD at 5%, you used your subjective observations as a limit.

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thanks again for your input!

You're are very welcome!
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Old 04-09-2005, 03:40 PM   #6 of 12
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Have I been sleeping a lot lately then?


I doesn't seem that you sleep AT ALL

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Actually we can't compare our readings, since our rooms can be totally different. If we had measured both subs outside (ground plane), then we could have compared them. Also I monitored and limited THD at 5%, you used your subjective observations as a limit.


This is true, my in-room vs. your in-room could be completely different.

To quote you from the other forum, Maybe
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time for a pb2 or ultra?
maybe...but I'll need to collect some more aluminum cans to get there.
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Old 04-09-2005, 04:08 PM   #7 of 12
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At what dB do you guys get port noise at 20Hz? I get port noise on my PB10 at 1 meter at 93 dB corrected corner loaded. Seems like I should do better than that no? If I go to the opposite corner of the room it does measure a couple dB higher. If I tried to get 110 dB, I think it would explode.
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Old 04-09-2005, 04:44 PM   #8 of 12
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If I tried to get 110 dB, I think it would explode.

Mike, I've noticed audible port chuffing at the 25hz and below frequencies starting at about 100db corrected.

What source/signal are you using for your tests? I'm using the snapbug's sine tones.

I first performed system calibration to 75db mains/surrounds and then had the sub at +3-4db for uncorrected measurements of 78-79db using my Pio 1014's test tones.

After calibrated, I went to town with the sine tones starting at 80hz to set my phase correctly via RS spl meter with my sub AND my mains running. This allows you to see any cancellation between the sub and mains.

Once that was done, I cut the mains off, and then worked my way down the frequencies from 80, 60,50,40,31.5, 30,29,28 etc. all the way down to 14hz. The freq. I concentrated on was 20Hz using repeat on my source and turned the volume up to just before distortion/compression/doubling occurred ( I did this by turning up slowly until that point and turning back until it was gone again). I mounted the RS meter on a tripod 1 meter from the face of the sub with the grill off and just watched in awe so to speak.

I kept my hand on the volume just in case but Ed Mullen has already performed this type of testing so I was comfortable doing the same:

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As a guide for setting the maximum playback level, I normally increase the master volume until minor distortion and compression artifacts are noted on the deepest and most challenging scenes. But with the PB10-ISD, I discovered it’s nearly impossible to drive this subwoofer into audible distress.


I hope this helps, remember these are "corrected" values. Uncorrected I was able to reach 104db @20Hz at 1meter.
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Old 04-09-2005, 04:53 PM   #9 of 12
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I first performed system calibration to 75db mains/surrounds and then had the sub at +3-4db for uncorrected measurements of 78-79db using my Pio 1014's test tones.

You have calibrated your subwoofer very hot. Using AVIA correct levels are 85dB for mains and 83dB for sub. With your receiver they are 75dB and 73dB**. So now you are 5-6dB hot. That is too much for PB10.

**This depend how low that tone is. Do you know how low it is? Avia's subtone is around 30-80Hz.
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Old 04-09-2005, 05:01 PM   #10 of 12
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Back to the couch again...thanks Ilkka, I misread that sub to be +2-3db's from mains...I'll re-calibrate to 2-3db below.
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