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Craig - Did you ever experiment with smoothing out the response some more with external EQ such as I had mentioned?
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10-02-2004, 12:15 PM
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Craig,
When you are done with this review could you send me a description that goes with each image you've uploaded? Since we're going to capture them in time as it were, I'd like to add context to each of them so they're available without searching the various forums for future users. Let me know.
-Robb
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10-03-2004, 07:42 PM
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Mark - I have not done anything with EQ yet, though I may fire up the Behringer this week...
Robb, That seems a pretty easy request, especially since each name was "coded" .
Craig Chase
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10-03-2004, 11:25 PM
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Any truth to the rumor you sold the SVS B4+ and the Maestro now sits in its spot?
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10-03-2004, 11:34 PM
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There is truth to that rumor, yes. It is also more of a statement of how good the Maestro is than anything else...
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10-04-2004, 01:34 PM
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Was it a measureable difference or a personal preference choice?
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10-04-2004, 01:49 PM
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Well... Part of it was actually WAF ... The Maestro actually fits in a discreet location in the room...
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10-04-2004, 02:06 PM
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Having seen/heard the Force in action. I'm not surprised the Maestro turned in that kind of performance at that size.
Congrats to Mike Dzurko and the rest of the gang at ACI.
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10-04-2004, 02:25 PM
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Chris, You are correct, The Maestro is a terrific machine. Following up on the "what can you measure" thoughts... and what the Maestro was doing that the B4+ did not... When watching that "armeggeddon" scene, the B4+ had 105 dB peaks in the 25-30 Hz range... The Maestro had those, AND some 95 dB peaks on the 12-15 Hz range. And you could FEEL the hits.
It could well be the slower roll-off gives the Maestro its subjective edge...
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10-04-2004, 07:55 PM
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Hi Craig,
Do you still have posession of the B4+ to compare against? As I have expressed adamantly to those who talk about monster sub-woofage, you need the midbass power and capable main speakers/amplifiers to make additional headroom subjectively correct, and not just more rumble.
I am still in N. California after working on an outdoor home theater where I measured >130dB@1m around 28Hz with less than 0.6dB compression at that level, and a little less compression to nearly 140dB @ 1m equivalent above 35Hz. This was all easily within the limits of the ~4kW of power we had available. It took some work to let these monsters fully breathe in a non-overbearing way, even with our highly capable main speakers. It does require a little bit of work and understanding to come up with effective yet still refined ways to put such power to use.
By far, the overall frequency response and dynamic compression largely dominate the percieved benefits or detriments of adding headroom. As I stated in the other thread, we react quickly to very low frequency energy, which will yeild a subjectively louder and larger sound just from adding more very low frequency content.
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10-04-2004, 08:28 PM
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Mark, That is one SERIOUS theater...  and no, We don't have the B4+ here. The gent was so excited to get it, he drove from Cleveland yesterday and picked it up.
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10-04-2004, 09:55 PM
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As I have expressed adamantly to those who talk about monster sub-woofage, you need the midbass power and capable main speakers/amplifiers to make additional headroom subjectively correct, and not just more rumble.
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Mark,
...so in my case if I were to use the B4-Plus subs "as is" (no plugs)...then allowing the 16-46 octet do its thing to 16 Hz. and below...it would have about the same effect that Craig is talking about regarding the Maestro's performance, i.e., more impact due to its slower rolloff, although dynamic compression would be of a magnitude greater in view that only one bass driver is handling the whole load rather than several drivers sharing it equally.
Am getting it right? Please feel free to correct me if am in error...
-THTS
"...hi, my name is Frank...and am an SVS bassaholic..."
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