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05-10-2004, 09:25 PM
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When Sub size is an issue...
I've read with great enjoyment the many positive reviews of SVS and HSU subwoofers. However, I've got issues (don't we all :-)). Issues with WAF and the amount of space the sub takes up that is. So, if my limit was, for instance, a cube that is no larger than 20" on a side, is there a favorite product? This basically rules out the SVS and HSU offerings (unless I condider the cylinder subs, which I _might_ but first want to investigate the square box route). I like the Revel B15 (15" high x-max driver, box is 20" square, right at my limit). I also like the newest Velo digital drive models (the DD-15 is 20 x 18 x 18, almost exactly the same size as the Revel). What are people's suggestions and personal experience on this?
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Jeff
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05-10-2004, 09:30 PM
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All good subs you mention, it's just people find SVS and Hsu to be a much cheaper than others and still match or better the performance of the more expensive ones. There's no reason you have to get an SVS or Hsu if they physically can't meet your needs. Maybe consider the Paradigm Seismic 12?
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05-10-2004, 10:09 PM
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So, if my limit was, for instance, a cube that is no larger than 20" on a side, is there a favorite product?
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You might want to look into some of the offerings from Stryke, Acoustic Visions, Creative Sound Solutions or Rutledge Audio. You could get a nice little beast built with passive radiators and in a cabint of the size you are looking for - along with the performance you desire.
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05-10-2004, 10:12 PM
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05-10-2004, 11:08 PM
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You should look into the SVS Cylinder subs. They have a smaller footprint then the box subs and will take up less floor space. The Cylinder subs are also less picky for finding that "sweet spot" then the box subs.
I have never read a bad review of an SVS sub that was properly setup and calibrated. As the proud owner of a PC-Ultra and a PC+ 16-46 I am very happy with the cylinder subs.
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05-11-2004, 12:07 AM
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A sub that is very high on WAF factor is the UFW-10 the 13" cube from AV123.com. Do a search, you should find some very favorable reviews. I own an SVS by the way, but if I had size limitations I would no doubt go with the UFW-10.
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05-11-2004, 12:33 AM
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I just ordered the PB1-ISD approx 2 hours ago (can't wait for it to show). It is 18in wide, 20 in deep, and 21in high. It passed the WAF at my house! You may want to consider it.
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05-11-2004, 12:49 AM
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I second Wayne's suggestion. I think there is a Stryke model called the Power Cube, or something like that.
I would say that going with something from Kyle or Brian will get you the most bang for your buck in the smallest package. (It will weigh a ton, though)
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05-11-2004, 02:10 AM
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05-11-2004, 11:25 AM
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Thanks for everyone's suggestions. I probably should have added a little more data and asked another question or two. The room this will go in is 15 x 30 x 8 with about 8 feet of openings at the opposite end of where the sub goes. The seismec 12 is a contender, and has been measured by Tom Nousaine at something like 87 dB at 20 Hz. What is "reference level" and/or how loud does it need to be at 20 Hz to properly feel/detect the lowest registers of a pipe organ and/or the rumble we so often get in movies? (And by the way the system will probably not be used for video for quite awhile, just music for the first year or so.) And, the cylinder subs were mentioned so I suppose I should ask, how do they perform in relation to various box subs? Are there objective measurements of some of the better (longer stroke/xmax) cylinder subs available such that one could actual make a meaningful comparison?
Thanks,
Jeff
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