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Old 04-07-2004, 10:15 AM   #1 of 52
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Speakers rated above 22kHz


I recently checked out the specs on the new Infinity Beta series and noticed that their new tweeter is rated at 40kHz (http://www.infinitysystems.com/homea...es=BET&cat=BFS). What other speakers manufacturers produce a speaker that goes as high as that? Will the higher frequency make a big difference with the high-res formats (SACD and DVD-A)?



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Old 04-07-2004, 10:42 AM   #2 of 52
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Probably some Sonys. As far as it making a difference, the answer is an unequivocal no. For starters, there's virtually no audible musical information up there as musical energy is roughly proportional to 1/f. Then there's the issue of what levels would be needed in order to be audible coupled with a decrease in sensitivity to higher frequencies as we get older coupled with the technology (microphones, mixing boards, etc.) is band limited to begin with.
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Old 04-07-2004, 11:39 AM   #3 of 52
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There are plenty of ribbon tweeter (or perhaps super-tweeters) that go to 40,000 Hz–50,000 Hz. These are incorporated into the design of several speakers.

As Chu Gai implies, there is not a lot of point.



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Old 04-07-2004, 11:47 AM   #4 of 52
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Old 04-07-2004, 12:57 PM   #5 of 52
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It'll just piss off the animals more.
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Old 04-07-2004, 01:08 PM   #6 of 52
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Will the higher frequency make a big difference with the high-res formats (SACD and DVD-A)?
they're (the speaker companies) definitely marketing it as such, aren't they? i've seen this sort of claim quite a bit lately.
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Old 04-07-2004, 01:37 PM   #7 of 52
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You know, in the case of the infinities, it just might be that the reason they happened to use a tweeter with signficant output above 20 kHz had to do with entirely different reasons such as its behavior in the audible region of the audio spectrum as well as how it mated with everything else.
As for the Tannoy SuperTweeter, we have the following from their website regarding the crossover...
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Frequency 14kHz, 16kHz or 18kHz adjustable
Type 3rd order compensated high pass
Level 89dB, 90.5dB, 92dB, 93.5dB or 95dB adjustable
Again, we're dealing with some audible output given the crossover points so I'd expect it to have an effect. As to whether it actually results in a better sounding speaker if you add it to yours, all I can say is that it's certainly a tendency for people to assign positive benefits to a change. Especially when they cost around $1000!
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The SuperTweeter is designed to provide the extended high frequency response demanded by modern programme material and sources. It not only resolves fine detail of high frequency notes but also effectively enhances the listening experience even at lower frequencies.
Extending the frequency response by two octaves corrects time and phase response within the bandwidth of normal human hearing.
I tend to read stuff like the above a little differently. I'd imagine if you're no longer listening to vinyl and have speakers that lack signficant HF output, then this product might be of benefit (costly though!). Further, even if the phase errors are corrected this begs the question were they even audible to begin with? After all, we have all the phase errors from the microphones, the mixing consoles, the wiring that might've been hooked up improperly, the phase errors introduced by your player, preamp, and amp. The audiophile business is infamous for creating to solutions to problems that aren't in fact problems.
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Old 04-07-2004, 03:46 PM   #8 of 52
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I don't see why it's such a stretch to think that even though frequencies above 20kHz are inaudible that they do not somehow add to the experience.

After all, people around here spent an inordinate amount of time on the bottom few bass frequencies that are also inaudible.
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Old 04-07-2004, 03:48 PM   #9 of 52
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Wow, I'm glad I asked...I knew the industry sold a lot of snake oil, but this one kinda made sense at first!



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Old 04-07-2004, 03:58 PM   #10 of 52
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Well if it's inaudible then the only experience I can see is that one's had the experience of being separated from their money. The issue with bass is an entirely different matter. One can have signficant audible energy in the lower frequencies as well as energy that can be felt. The converse is true for the upper frequencies.
It's not snake oil but an example of clever advertising that let's the reader's mind take off in directions.
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Old 04-07-2004, 05:10 PM   #11 of 52
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the new ONIX ref 3's are rated to 50k i think.



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